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Sal

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' conclude that is just as wrong as saying it was civilizing barbarians' I am sorry I dont understand what you mean.
it means that colonization of an area may impose a different culture on that area. some people argue that is always wrong since it was imposed on the people, however, some good happens too... it is not black and white

sometimes people are better off, other times not

Hong Kong was better off in my opinion... Tibet is an example of a country that has not done well under the rule of China

Yes, it was turned over to the Brits after China lost a war. The Treaty of Nanking- Opium Wars-

Some links for you. It boiled down to balance of payments as tea exports had to be paid for in silver -
Opium was used as a medicine in China for hundreds of years.
The Europeans introduced Opium with tobacco, massive quantities, addiction spread like wildfire - paid for in silver. When the emperor restricted Opium, as it caused a massive drain on the country- guess what.

Go to the UK part
History of tea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Opium Wars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Opium has been known in China since the 7th century and for centuries it was used for medical purposes. It was not until the 17th century that the practice of mixing opium with tobacco for smoking was introduced into China by Europeans.[1]

Treaty of Nanking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

History of tea in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Interesting links thanks Goob. I have always found Chinese history to be interesting with the various dynasties and multi-revolutions...etc. A fascinating people also.

They want freedom - Does not matter who ruled before.
The people may not agree with you here Goober.
 

chineseroman

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it means that colonization of an area may impose a different culture on that area. some people argue that is always wrong since it was imposed on the people, however, some good happens too... it is not black and white

sometimes people are better off, other times not

Hong Kong was better off in my opinion... Tibet is an example of a country that has not done well under the rule of China

Interesting links thanks Goob. I have always found Chinese history to be interesting with the various dynasties and multi-revolutions...etc. A fascinating people also.


The people may not agree with you here Goober.
I thought whether colonization are good or bad depended on who did it. If civilized people did, that is good. If barbarian did like Stalin or China, that is bad.
 

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I thought whether colonization are good or bad depended on who did it. If civilized people did, that is good. If barbarian did like Stalin or China, that is bad.

Depends on which side of the colonization you are on. North American Indians did not fare too well under the oppressive rule of Britain.
 

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Opium Wars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Opium has been known in China since the 7th century and for centuries it was used for medical purposes. It was not until the 17th century that the practice of mixing opium with tobacco for smoking was introduced into China by Europeans.[1]

Opium was exported from India to China by Jewish bankers. You obviously don't respect reality because you use Wickedpedia.
 

chineseroman

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Depends on which side of the colonization you are on. North American Indians did not fare too well under the oppressive rule of Britain.
The North American's land does not belong to the indians. We cant say the glassland belong to the sheep. Because of the babyish society of indian had not developed the system of land wealth. Nobody owe the land before the western people came in.
 

taxslave

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The North American's land does not belong to the indians. We cant say the glassland belong to the sheep. Because of the babyish society of indian had not developed the system of land wealth. Nobody owe the land before the western people came in.

You really are stupid. Better do some reading.
 

chineseroman

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Opium was exported from India to China by Jewish bankers. You obviously don't respect reality because you use Wickedpedia.
In fact, the empire dont care about the abuse of Opium or the negtive influence to the society. Just opium trade surplus of British make the silver came out of China, lowering his empire tax. He is angry about this.
 

Sal

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I thought whether colonization are good or bad depended on who did it. If civilized people did, that is good. If barbarian did like Stalin or China, that is bad.
I would say whether colonization was good or bad is truly something which can be argued on either side. It is not always good, it is not always bad. If you read Chinese history before Communism, China has a long and rich history.

The North American's land does not belong to the indians. We cant say the glassland belong to the sheep. Because of the babyish society of indian had not developed the system of land wealth. Nobody owe the land before the western people came in.
The North American land did belong to the Indians in that they were here first. Grassland and sheep is not a good comparison. North American Indians had their own rich culture before they were invaded. It is true they did not own the land they lived upon the land. And in truth no one really owns land. We are only here upon the earth for a short time. The land is a living thing with a nature of it's own.
 

chineseroman

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I would say whether colonization was good or bad is truly something which can be argued on either side. It is not always good, it is not always bad. If you read Chinese history before Communism, China has a long and rich history.

The North American land did belong to the Indians in that they were here first. Grassland and sheep is not a good comparison. North American Indians had their own rich culture before they were invaded. It is true they did not own the land they lived upon the land. And in truth no one really owns land. We are only here upon the earth for a short time. The land is a living thing with a nature of it's own.
The BBC http://www.56.com/u20/v_NTg4ODUyMDk.html/1030_sonicluo3.html It says the Arabic numerals came from greek. Indeed, all the science came from Greek. What the other parts of the earth did is justing learning and copying, never creating.
 

chineseroman

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I would say whether colonization was good or bad is truly something which can be argued on either side. It is not always good, it is not always bad. If you read Chinese history before Communism, China has a long and rich history.

The North American land did belong to the Indians in that they were here first. Grassland and sheep is not a good comparison. North American Indians had their own rich culture before they were invaded. It is true they did not own the land they lived upon the land. And in truth no one really owns land. We are only here upon the earth for a short time. The land is a living thing with a nature of it's own.
As a Chinese man, I knew the real China was not long and rich history as the western think. No science,No industry, No private ownership, No laws, No philosophy, how could be rich.
 

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To many stinking humans on earth anyways. Let them weed each other out. Its the best solution to many of our planets problems.