Is Conservative Government Guilty Of War Crimes?

[SirJosephPorter]

Geneva Convention still applies in these cases.. It might not to terrorist but until they are defined as so it does..

Sure it does, Francis. Incidences like this reduce the credibility of the west in the eyes of the Islamic world. And then the west wonders why the Muslim world hates them so. Incidents like these are the ideal fodder for Taliban and Al Qaeda to recruit new terrorists. You can be sure they will make full use of this incidence in their next recruiting video.

 

[lone wolf]

Geneva convention also says something about regular soldiers ... not rebels.

If I am not mistaken, when prisoner transfers occurred in 2005, would they not have been under the eyes of a LIBERAL government?
TheSpec.com - CanadaWorld - Tories knew of Afghan prison concerns

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Damn lets just nuke the place and bring our troops home then.. Why waste our good people like your cousin if that be the case ?

Just one problem, we don't have the nuclear bomb, do we? Perhaps we can persuade USA to do it for us. Now, if only George Bush and Darth Vader were still in power.

 

[Avro]

I'd prefer nuking them over letting our troops die for nothing. Turn it into one big glass bowl.

 

[lone wolf]

I'd prefer nuking them over letting our troops die for nothing. Turn it into one big glass bowl.

I objected when we sent troops to Afghanistan in the first place - as hitch-hikers especially - in green to a desert campaign. Now that they're there, even though I still think the war isn't just, I support the troops. I still wonder if a withdrawal is going to be interpreted as a win over there. Remember ... some of those clerics are just as little-minded as some of the folks here. The glass parking lot isn't really intimidation enough for they who expect 72 virgins and rivers of honey....

 

[Avro]

I objected when we sent troops to Afghanistan in the first place - as hitch-hikers especially - in green to a desert campaign. Now that they're there, even though I still think the war isn't just, I support the troops. I still wonder if a withdrawal is going to be interpreted as a win over there. Remember ... some of those clerics are just as little-minded as some of the folks here. The glass parking lot isn't really intimidation enough for they who expect 72 virgins and rivers of honey....

Where did I say I didn't support the troops?

Get them the hell out of there, if someone dares strike the west again from that part of the world, make it and everyone in it cease to exsist.

Simple.

 

[lone wolf]

Where did I say I didn't support the troops?

Get them the hell out of there, if someone dares strike the west again from that part of the world, make it and everyone in it cease to exsist.

Simple.

Are you reading between lines too? Seems to be a lot of that going on in here today

 

[JLM]

Just one problem, we don't have the nuclear bomb, do we? Perhaps we can persuade USA to do it for us. Now, if only George Bush and Darth Vader were still in power.

Lots of speculation on this subject. Do we actually know beyong any shadow of a reasonable doubt that any torture took place. Maybe us guys who are safe at home should just be minding our own business and let the troops contend with it in the manner that best ensure their safety. It's all well and good for someone sitting in an office to write a book on "the ettiquette of war". Terrorists and insurgents don't get sympathy from me. Once they are captured if they come out of it alive they are ahead of the game.

 

[Avro]

Are you reading between lines too? Seems to be a lot of that going on in here today

No, just a response to that banal statement of yours.

I support the troops?

How in any way does that respond to what I said?

Tell me, who dosen't support the troops?

 

[lone wolf]

No, just a response to that banal statement of yours.

I support the troops?

How in any way does that respond to what I said?

Tell me, who dosen't support the troops?

Have another, Av.... G'night

 

[Avro]

Have another, Av.... G'night

Gonna run away from it?

Okay.

Good night and get the chip off your shoulder while you're at it.

 

[Mowich]

Lots of speculation on this subject. Do we actually know beyong any shadow of a reasonable doubt that any torture took place. Maybe us guys who are safe at home should just be minding our own business and let the troops contend with it in the manner that best ensure their safety. It's all well and good for someone sitting in an office to write a book on "the ettiquette of war". Terrorists and insurgents don't get sympathy from me. Once they are captured if they come out of it alive they are ahead of the game.

Here! Here! JLM. Agree with you completely.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Lots of speculation on this subject. Do we actually know beyong any shadow of a reasonable doubt that any torture took place.

So of course, you automatically assume that none took place (because Conservatives are in power?), and that there is no need to look into it. At least that is the impression I get.

Maybe us guys who are safe at home should just be minding our own business and let the troops contend with it in the manner that best ensure their safety.

This was done by the government, it has nothing to do with the troops, Indeed, this is the standard tactics of conservatives both here and in USA. Any time anybody criticizes them about anything to do with war, they immediately claim that their opponents do not support the troops.

This is a variant of the same old Bush philosophy, if you are not with us, you are against us. Harper is a well known Disciple of Bush.

Terrorists and insurgents don't get sympathy from me. Once they are captured if they come out of it alive they are ahead of the game.

I see, so investigating if Conservatives were involved in some prisoners being tortured is equivalent to sympathizing with terrorists. As I said before, you claim that you are not a conservative, and I take your word for it. But at least in this instance, you are arguing like the most committed of Harper acolytes.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

No, just a response to that banal statement of yours.

I support the troops?

How in any way does that respond to what I said?

Tell me, who dosen't support the troops?

Quite so, Avro, this has nothing whatever to do with troops. The allegation is not that the Canadian troops tortured somebody. The allegation is that Harper handed over prisoners to be tortured by Afghanis. If Harper is serving in Afghanistan as a foot soldier, I am not aware of it.

The fact is, Harper acolytes cannot stand the criticism of their Messiah, so they trot out the convenient red herring, if you are not for Harper, that means you are against the troops. It remains to be seen if Canadians buy it.

 

[lone wolf]

...and Sir Silly Sparge Ring executes his brilliance again....

 

[JLM]

"So of course, you automatically assume that none took place (because Conservatives are in power?"- Dumb supposition, I have no clue either way, I wasn't there and politicians have a propensity for lying. I'm beginning to see why you were disqualified for jury duty.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

"So of course, you automatically assume that none took place (because Conservatives are in power?"- Dumb supposition, I have no clue either way, I wasn't there and politicians have a propensity for lying. I'm beginning to see why you were disqualified for jury duty.

Which politicians have a propensity for lying, JLM? If it is the conservative politicians, then the allegations must be looked into. If it is the Lib and NDP politicians, then the allegations are obvious lies and need not be looked into.

 

[JLM]

Which politicians have a propensity for lying, JLM? If it is the conservative politicians, then the allegations must be looked into. If it is the Lib and NDP politicians, then the allegations are obvious lies and need not be looked into.

They all lie Cons. Libs. N.D.P., communist, they are all tarred with the same brush. We simply just don't know what did or didn't happen here, so probably best just to put it to rest. If insurgents and terrorists got roughed up a little, it's not the end of the world. We have bigger problems to be spending taxpayer's money on.

 

[Francis2004]

Geneva convention also says something about regular soldiers ... not rebels.

If I am not mistaken, when prisoner transfers occurred in 2005, would they not have been under the eyes of a LIBERAL government?
TheSpec.com - CanadaWorld - Tories knew of Afghan prison concerns

Exactly what I have said from the start.. If this should incriminate the Liberals then so be it as well. Why should they get a free ride out of this..

Lets clear this whole darn thing once and for all.

 

[Francis2004]

Lots of speculation on this subject. Do we actually know beyong any shadow of a reasonable doubt that any torture took place. Maybe us guys who are safe at home should just be minding our own business and let the troops contend with it in the manner that best ensure their safety. It's all well and good for someone sitting in an office to write a book on "the ettiquette of war". Terrorists and insurgents don't get sympathy from me. Once they are captured if they come out of it alive they are ahead of the game.

Why should it all be speculations when we only need to look at facts..

I mean, geez if "Once they are captured if they come out of it alive they are ahead of the game". Your words not mine as they would all be scum that we would be capturing without question right ?

Then why should our best people be in Afghanistan if that's how you feel about them all, when you really think about it.. Doesn't make much sense does it ?