Is Conservative Government Guilty Of War Crimes?

[Cannuck]

Yes the Liberals sent the troops in for rebuilding like the rest of the NATO military

At the time of the invasion, the Liberal government defined Canada's reasons for participating in the Afghanistan War as - Defending Canada's interests, ensuring Canadian leadership in world affairs and helping Afghanistan rebuild...in that order. That's why Cretin announced on Oct 7/2001 that troops would be sent to Afghanistan to "aid in the removal of the Taliban"


If you are going to come here and post Liberal Party propaganda, perhaps you shouldn't post stuff that is so easily refuted.

 

[earth_as_one]

At the time of the invasion, the Liberal government defined Canada's reasons for participating in the Afghanistan War as - Defending Canada's interests, ensuring Canadian leadership in world affairs and helping Afghanistan rebuild...in that order. That's why Cretin announced on Oct 7/2001 that troops would be sent to Afghanistan to "aid in the removal of the Taliban"


If you are going to come here and post Liberal Party propaganda, perhaps you shouldn't post stuff that is so easily refuted.

Link Please:

From google:
Your search - "Jean Chrétien" "aid in the removal of the Taliban" - did not match any documents.

 

[taxslave]

If anyone is guilty of war crimes it would be the liberals for getting us into this mess in the first place.

 

[Francis2004]

As a follow up to my own post, here is the change in Canada's role in the mission..

Canadian soldiers will soon say good-bye to Camp Julien, their now famous military base in Kabul, Afghanistan.

The camp on the outskirts of Kabul has been home to the majority of Canadian soldiers in the past two years, but it's being torn down and will close before winter.

The decision to tear down the camp was made after Ottawa decided to focus its operations in Afghanistan in Kandahar, in the south, where a new headquarters is being established.

CBC News - World - Canadian troops on the move in Afghanistan

For full time line from 2001 till 2006 from CBC see..

CBC News In Depth: Afghanistan

 

[earth_as_one]

...I don't think our soldiers are getting away with anything....

Please clarify:

I'm trying to figure out what you meant.

a) You don't believe Canadian soldiers handed innocent people over to Afghan forces for torture and abuse.

b) You don't believe that Canadian soldiers helping a corrupt dictatorship torture and abuse innocent people is significant.

c) something else???

 

[Francis2004]

If anyone is guilty of war crimes it would be the liberals for getting us into this mess in the first place.

That is the silliest statement I ever heard.. In an effort to stop terrorists in 9/11 aftermath everyone joined hands and were in accord to fight off Osama..

What happened at first and what changed are two different topics..

As well as what our men and women do and are asked to do are not to be confused..

 

[AnnaG]

Link Please:

From google:
Your search - "Jean Chrétien" "aid in the removal of the Taliban" - did not match any documents.

Should have tried "Jean Chretien" and "Oct. 7 2001"

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hc-ps/alt_fo...d/event-incident/radiolog/info/terror-eng.pdf

 

[AnnaG]

That is the silliest statement I ever heard.. In an effort to stop terrorists in 9/11 aftermath everyone joined hands and were in accord to fight off Osama..

What happened at first and what changed are two different topics..

As well as what our men and women do and are asked to do are not to be confused..

Maybe he doesn't know what war crimes are, Francis.

 

[JLM]

If anyone is guilty of war crimes it would be the liberals for getting us into this mess in the first place.

Why does every action and reaction have to follow party lines? All parties have idiots who make dumb mistakes and also practice greed.

 

[Francis2004]

Should have tried "Jean Chretien" and "Oct. 7 2001"

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hc-ps/alt_fo...d/event-incident/radiolog/info/terror-eng.pdf

Googling is an art..

 

[taxslave]

Why does every action and reaction have to follow party lines? All parties have idiots who make dumb mistakes and also practice greed.

You would have to ask liberalman since he is the one that claims the conservatives are guilty of war crimes. But what the lefties call torture is not the same as what the rest of us do. Nor does anything Canadian troops have been accused of come anywhere close to what the Taliban and other terrorist organizations do on a daily basis even to their own people.

 

[earth_as_one]

Should have tried "Jean Chretien" and "Oct. 7 2001"

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hc-ps/alt_fo...d/event-incident/radiolog/info/terror-eng.pdf

The quote "aid in the removal of the Taliban" doesn't exist in that document. In fact it doesn't even mention Afghanistan.

So when did removal of the Taliban become Canada's mission?

 

[earth_as_one]

You would have to ask liberalman since he is the one that claims the conservatives are guilty of war crimes. But what the lefties call torture is not the same as what the rest of us do. Nor does anything Canadian troops have been accused of come anywhere close to what the Taliban and other terrorist organizations do on a daily basis even to their own people.

Treat others as yu would have them treat you. What is fair game for us and our allies is fair game for our adversaries. So the question isn't what's considered torture for our prisoners, but what's fair game for treatment of Canadians by our adversaries.

So what kind of treatment would you consider a war crime if it was done to Canadians?

Is waterboarding Canadians ok? How about beatings and electric shock? How about a cattle prod up the anus. At what point does ill treatment become torture?

Here is a December 12, 2001 International Red Cross report:

Afghanistan: ICRC position on alleged ill-treatment of prisoners



Geneva (ICRC) – Allegations regarding massacres and serious ill-treatment of prisoners continue to emerge in connection with the war in Afghanistan despite repeated reminders to all parties of their obligations under international humanitarian law. The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) has been asked many times whether it intends to carry out a public investigation of these allegations. To avoid any misunderstandings on this issue, the ICRC wishes to state the following:

- As the guardian of international humanitarian law, the ICRC takes any allegation of massacre or ill-treatment very seriously. Nothing can excuse wilful disregard for the basic humanitarian rules applicable to all individuals, whether they are foreign nationals in a country at war or not. These rules stipulate that prisoners must be treated humanely and their dignity respected.

- The ICRC has ceaselessly reminded all parties of their obligations under international humanitarian law, in particular the Geneva Conventions, as it applies to the Afghan conflict. It has received assurances in this connection from the highest authorities.

- The ICRC is currently collecting information on all allegations of ill-treatment. In accordance with the organization's standard procedure in such cases, this information will not be made public but will serve, depending on the findings, as the basis for representations to the relevant authorities.

- The international community has recognized the special role played by the ICRC in connection with armed conflicts and other situations of violence. Accordingly, the organization is not expected to take part in public enquiries or tribunals set up to assess the veracity of any given allegations, as this could jeopardize its access to vulnerable communities and individuals. The ICRC nonetheless welcomes all initiatives that may lead to greater compliance with international humanitarian law.

- To date, ICRC delegates have registered and visited over 1,000 prisoners in Afghanistan in order to check on the conditions of their arrest and detention. During these visits, which are ongoing, delegates provide basic medical care and offer the detainees a chance to write to their families.




Afghanistan: ICRC position on alleged ill-treatment of prisoners

So this has been on for some time.

 

[AnnaG]

The quote "aid in the removal of the Taliban" doesn't exist in that document. In fact it doesn't even mention Afghanistan.

So when did removal of the Taliban become Canada's mission?

Funny.
What Chretien did say for sure was that Canada would strive to:

"deter and disable terrorist organizations;" among other things.

In Canada's view, the Taliban are terrorists. So it seems to me that there is little difference in meaning and you are simply whining about the semantics.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Why does every action and reaction have to follow party lines? All parties have idiots who make dumb mistakes and also practice greed.

But that is how politics works, JLM. To party faithfuls (and there are many Conservative party faithfuls in this forum), anything their Messiah does is blameless, pure as driven snow and good for Canada. Anything Liberals do is crooked, corrupt and bad for Canada.

Indeed, I remember posters claiming here that Liberals did not do a single good thing in their 13 years in power, that is was pure corruption from beginning to end, that it was the worst period in Canadian history. They also regard Mulroney as a whiz at economics, and they blame Mulroney’s economic troubles on Trudeau. You can’t get more partisan than that (I suppose it is something that they don’t blame Mulroney’s economic troubles on Chrétien/Martin).

Incidentally, the same crowd who enthusiastically, gleefully supported appointing a commission to investigate Liberal wrong doing is now adamantly opposed to appointing a commission to investigate conservative wrong doing.

 

[gerryh]

Funny.
What Chretien did say for sure was that Canada would strive to:

"deter and disable terrorist organizations;" among other things.

In Canada's view, the Taliban are terrorists. So it seems to me that there is little difference in meaning and you are simply whining about the semantics.

Why is the Taliban viewed as terrorists?

 

[TenPenny]

Funny.
What Chretien did say for sure was that Canada would strive to:

"deter and disable terrorist organizations;" among other things.

In Canada's view, the Taliban are terrorists. So it seems to me that there is little difference in meaning and you are simply whining about the semantics.

Oddly enough, I consider the Tamil Tigers and the IRA to be terrorist organizations, too, but that puts me at odds with the majority of our political parties.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

That is the silliest statement I ever heard.. In an effort to stop terrorists in 9/11 aftermath everyone joined hands and were in accord to fight off Osama..

What happened at first and what changed are two different topics..

As well as what our men and women do and are asked to do are not to be confused..

Quite so, Francis, involvement in Afghanistan was a very worthwhile exercise. A great wrong was committed against USA and Taliban was supporting terrorism worldwide. It was the first government formed by terrorist, it had to be taken out. I remember a columnist once wrote, we have had several examples of state sponsored terrorism, but Taliban was the first example of terrorist sponsored state.

Having said that, it was fortunate indeed that the Messiah was not the PM when Bush invaded Iraq. If he had been the PM, we would be mired in Iraq today big time.

 

[TenPenny]

Having said that, it was fortunate indeed that the Messiah was not the PM when Bush invaded Iraq. If he had been the PM, we would be mired in Iraq today big time.

I wonder if any self-appointed patriach of the web has ever complained about your offensive language when you use these insults, Messiah and Joan of Arc?

 

[JLM]

I wonder if any self-appointed patriach of the web has ever complained about your offensive language when you use these insults, Messiah and Joan of Arc?

I don't see this as a big deal, TenPenny when referring to politicians, I do it myself a lot like referring to Mulroney as "Lyin' Brian" and one of our local Politicians - Penny Priddy as "Pretty Penny".