Iran, beware! ... Iran, beware!

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I don't know about this man Pol Pot: I may see about him in the wikipedia and the internet.

With that sentence you have exposed your tunnel vision views & deliberate lack of education about anything that interferes with your sole focus. A focus only on your hatred of all that you perceive as "Zionist". A focus that would permit any act, no matter how evil, to be one condoned by your particular diety if it harmed or destroyed any perceived as "Zionists".

Do study Pol Pot, Slobodan Milošević,
Théoneste Bagosora and the many other countless purveyors of evil in their pursuit of power under the pretence of religion. You should know of these things before you claim to know what your beliefs demand as "godly" actions really are.
Bcool
-- "That is the essence of science: ask an impertinent question, and you are on the way to a pertinent answer."
Jacob Bronowski (1908-74), British scientist, author. The Ascent of Man, ch. 4 (1973).
 

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Iran has possession of 3 operational S-300 systems from an articile I read a few days ago. Somebody must have also read that I hope as I didn't bookmark it.

Yeah saw it but I think I read that it was 4.

With Israel using a cherry-picker to 'invade' Lebanon what book were they using to define 'fence/border'.

Fence/border? Nobody was "defining" fence/border. The fence was on the Israeli side of the border. No need for definitions.

Why would the UN agree with Israel that they were on their side of the 'border'? I'm assuming it has to do with being on a picker-arm that is attached to a truck that is on Israel's side of the fence.

That would be an incorrect assumption. It was because the fence was on the Israeli side of the border.
 

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With that sentence you have exposed your tunnel vision views & deliberate lack of education about anything that interferes with your sole focus. A focus only on your hatred of all that you perceive as "Zionist". A focus that would permit any act, no matter how evil, to be one condoned by your particular diety if it harmed or destroyed any perceived as "Zionists".

Do study Pol Pot, Slobodan Milošević, Théoneste Bagosora and the many other countless purveyors of evil in their pursuit of power under the pretence of religion. You should know of these things before you claim to know what your beliefs demand as "godly" actions really are.
Bcool
-- "That is the essence of science: ask an impertinent question, and you are on the way to a pertinent answer."
Jacob Bronowski (1908-74), British scientist, author. The Ascent of Man, ch. 4 (1973).

hi Bcool :)

Satan has no more reality than Allah, he's just another fictional character. He evolved through the Old and New Testaments from being a member of the heavenly council who tests humanity under god's direction and control (as in Job, for instance) to an independent malevolent spirit who acts directly against god's wishes and plans.


This is what you assert as true, while it is not.

We believe in the "Unknown" and the "Unseen" and the "Forefuture" and "that which is not present now": one word in Arabic involves all these words الغيب

This means we believe in الغيب as do we believe in God, the afterlife, the angels, the Judgment, Paradise and Hell.

Satan and Devils are existent, but one who is aware can be alert to the suggestions of Satan and devils; the pious and the God-fearing will be alert and avoid their suggestions and thus will escape their wickedness and their harm.

As in the Quran 7: 201

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ اتَّقَواْ إِذَا مَسَّهُمْ طَائِفٌ مِّنَ الشَّيْطَانِ تَذَكَّرُواْ فَإِذَا هُم مُّبْصِرُونَ

The explanation:
(Those who ward off [God's disobedience] – when a suggestion from Satan provokes them, remember [God's warning], and then see clearly [the wisdom and the exact truth.]

And [the associaters: Satan's] brothers – they increase more in error, and never do they refrain.)

Devils
Satan [or Ibliess or Beelzebub]

While one who does not believe and is unaware, almost he will not be aware of their suggestions and will follow their suggestions and even will write down what words they may inspire to him with their suggestions.


As in the Quran 6: 112

وَكَذَلِكَ جَعَلْنَا لِكُلِّ نِبِيٍّ عَدُوًّا شَيَاطِينَ الإِنسِ وَالْجِنِّ يُوحِي بَعْضُهُمْ إِلَى بَعْضٍ زُخْرُفَ الْقَوْلِ غُرُورًا وَلَوْ شَاء رَبُّكَ مَا فَعَلُوهُ فَذَرْهُمْ وَمَا يَفْتَرُونَ

The explanation:
(As such have We appointed to every prophet an enemy – devils of men and genies; inspiring tawdry words to each other, by way of deception. [O Mohammed] if your Lord had willed, they would not have done so; then leave them alone with [the lies] that they invent [against Us.])

It means: the devils among genies inspire tawdry words to devils among mankind.
E.g. devils will inspire the leaders of atheism and enthusiasm some decorated words, by way of suggestions and deception.

Such decorated words will be like slogans and some words with which they will be glad and try to oppose God's religion by such words and cheat the common people with.

Disbelievers will be glad to receive such words from devils and cheat others therewith like:

>> the prophet (any prophet of any people) is possessed and mad,
>> the revelations are only fables of the ancient which they wrote down,
>> it is only the life of the world, and no aftelife, etc.

The response to the apostle
 

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How many people have been able to talk to God and God answered back? Did they learn to do that from a book or other men? What did all the these highly respected people have in common? How many books were written pre talking to God and how many post talking to God? Which book did these spiritual giants follow to learn to talk to God? What methods did they use? Are the detals on how to talk to God available in any book? Which ones? Please quote them.
 

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It is possible; Kuwait were luxurious, then when Iraq invaded Iran, they came and encouraged Iraq leader, then when Iraq was indebted, they according to suggestions of the foriegners they came to demand their debts instead of helping him to pass his difficult situation. And who knows what is there of the wrong-doing of every wrong-doer?
And Hussein wasn't living in luxury? Camel cookies. The man was as much of a jerk as Hitler.
Hussein spent a lot of money invading Iran and that money was borrowed. He felt pressured to pay it back and couldn't handle the pressure so he invaded Kuwait. Kuwait's only "crime" was lending the jerk money. Besides that, Kuwait had an overproduction of oil and Hussein wanted it.

Yes, both of them are wrongdoers practicing the enthusiasm and glorifying their shekhs and imams together with God Almighty which is a tremendous wrongdoing: man in such case does wrong himself.
Were they? Have you any proof of this?

I don't know about this man Pol Pot: I may see about him in the wikipedia and the internet.
Cambodian mass murderer who killed a lot of his own people. Pol Pot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No one is immune against doing the wrong; but all that is according to degrees and only God knows who is the good doer and who is the wrongdoer.
Baloney. A lot of people know when they do something wrong. And everyone does something wrong.
Pol Pot lived to an old age. Where was his punishment? The millions of people he killed were worse wrong-doers than him? NUTS!
Normal Iraqis were worse wrong-doers than Hussein? NUTS!
Regular Kuwaitis were worse wrong-doers than Hussein? NUTS!

For this reason when the first believers heard the ayat about the wrong doer; they were afraid lest they should commit some wrong which might lead them to be misguided; because God misguides the wrong doer; so they prayed God to forgive and pardon them and do not misguide them after He guided them.

www.quran-ayat.com
Nonsense.
 

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This is what you assert as true, while it is not. We believe in the "Unknown" and the "Unseen" and the "Forefuture" and "that which is not present now":
Yes, I'm well aware of what you believe, but consider that the unknown and the unseen are unknown and unseen because there's no evidence for them, whereas for what I assert as true, there IS evidence and a cogent line of reasoning that leads to a defensible conclusion. You, on the other hand, are a fantasist and a mythologist. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that as long as you know you're dealing with fantasy and mythology, but to mistake them for literal descriptions of reality seems to me to be foolish beyond description.
 

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Yes, I'm well aware of what you believe, but consider that the unknown and the unseen are unknown and unseen because there's no evidence for them, whereas for what I assert as true, there IS evidence and a cogent line of reasoning that leads to a defensible conclusion. You, on the other hand, are a fantasist and a mythologist. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that as long as you know you're dealing with fantasy and mythology, but to mistake them for literal descriptions of reality seems to me to be foolish beyond description.
Exactly. Basically, some people have problems separating fantasy from reality.
 

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How many people have been able to talk to God and God answered back? Did they learn to do that from a book or other men? What did all the these highly respected people have in common? How many books were written pre talking to God and how many post talking to God? Which book did these spiritual giants follow to learn to talk to God? What methods did they use? Are the detals on how to talk to God available in any book? Which ones? Please quote them.


Man talks to God, and God answers his request.

God does not speak to people unless that be by revelation or from behind a barrier,or He sends an apostle [an angel] and he reveals to the prophet whatever He please;

He spoke to Moses with an audible voice, but not directly; the olive tree was the barrier between Moses and his Lord.

The praying of God is like talking to God, the Quran is the talking of God to people.

In other hand when man prays God: it is man's talking to God.
This talking to God can be in many ways: the child can talk to God; the illiterate man can talk to God.

There is a nice tale concerning this, which is only a public tale, not mentioned in the Quran.

A girl was in an island; an uninhabited island, the girl was in safety: the wild animals do not touch her with any harm; so a man: a worshipper surprised from her condition, and saw that she was better than he is; so he asked her: How do you pray to God? He thought she might have a special prayer; but she answered: "Fiddha loves her Lord, and her Lord loves Fiddha." And she repeats this so frequently. :)

Have I understood your bike, or have you understood what I mean; may God not gather me together like your gathering in the afterlife :happy8:
 

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There is a nice tale concerning this, which is only a public tale, not mentioned in the Quran.

A girl was in an island; an uninhabited island, the girl was in safety: the wild animals do not touch her with any harm; so a man: a worshipper surprised from her condition, and saw that she was better than he is; so he asked her: How do you pray to God? He thought she might have a special prayer; but she answered: "Fiddha loves her Lord, and her Lord loves Fiddha." And she repeats this so frequently. :)

THAT is a nice story.
 

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A girl was in an island; an uninhabited island, the girl was in safety: the wild animals do not touch her with any harm; so a man: a worshipper surprised from her condition, and saw that she was better than he is; so he asked her: How do you pray to God? He thought she might have a special prayer; but she answered: "Fiddha loves her Lord, and her Lord loves Fiddha." And she repeats this so frequently. :)

:happy8:
Now you are getting closer. What made her "better"?
1. She had no fear of other people or animals to interfere with talking to God.
2. She had no books to interfere with talking to God
3. She was alone and no-one else around to interfere with talking to God
4. She didn't need rites and holy days to interfere with talking to God
5. She had no material goods to interfere with talking to God.
 

eanassir

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And Hussein wasn't living in luxury? Camel cookies. The man was as much of a jerk as Hitler.
Hussein spent a lot of money invading Iran and that money was borrowed. He felt pressured to pay it back and couldn't handle the pressure so he invaded Kuwait. Kuwait's only "crime" was lending the jerk money. Besides that, Kuwait had an overproduction of oil and Hussein wanted it.

I did not speak about this man; but you asked if Kuwaitis were wrong doers, and I answered you in that way.

Were they? Have you any proof of this?

I know them very well; they are enthusiastic: Shiaa about Ali and his sons, and Sunni most of them are enthusiastic about the prophet himself and his companions in addition to some sheikhs; and Sunni do even sanctify the shrines of the imams of Ahlul Bait also.

This enthusism, idolatry and associating others with God is now practiced all over the world; but each sect sanctify their local imam and shaikh.


A lot of people know when they do something wrong. And everyone does something wrong.

No objection.

Pol Pot lived to an old age. Where was his punishment? The millions of people he killed were worse wrong-doers than him? NUTS!

God may postpons his punishment to the death time.

Normal Iraqis were worse wrong-doers than Hussein? NUTS!

It depends; none can claim the opposite.

Regular Kuwaitis were worse wrong-doers than Hussein? NUTS!

Not necessarily, but God set the tyrant against the idolaters and associaters.
 

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I did not speak about this man; but you asked if Kuwaitis were wrong doers, and I answered you in that way.
Not really. I said Kuwait people were not as much wrong-doers as Hussein.



I know them very well; they are enthusiastic: Shiaa about Ali and his sons, and Sunni most of them are enthusiastic about the prophet himself and his companions in addition to some sheikhs; and Sunni do even sanctify the shrines of the imams of Ahlul Bait also.

This enthusism, idolatry and associating others with God is now practiced all over the world; but each sect sanctify their local imam and shaikh.
So you are basically saying that no-one should have a religion because the religion makes them wrong-doers.




No objection.



God may postpons his punishment to the death time.



It depends; none can claim the opposite.



Not necessarily, but God set the tyrant against the idolaters and associaters.
That's what you are saying, I understand. But it is irrational. And irrational is what I am saying Allah is.
 

eanassir

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Now you are getting closer. What made her "better"?
1. She had no fear of other people or animals to interfere with talking to God.
2. She had no books to interfere with talking to God
3. She was alone and no-one else around to interfere with talking to God
4. She didn't need rites and holy days to interfere with talking to God
5. She had no material goods to interfere with talking to God.


:happy8:

True sheikh Petros :happy8:

Not really. I said Kuwait people were not as much wrong-doers as Hussein.

So you are basically saying that no-one should have a religion because the religion makes them wrong-doers.

That's what you are saying, I understand. But it is irrational. And irrational is what I am saying Allah is.

:happy8:

THAT is a nice story.

Thank you JLM.

But we should not be like this girl; she was ignorant, but only her heart was pure; so man should have his heart pure, in addition man now has the word of God in the Glorious Quran in addition.
 

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Yes, I'm well aware of what you believe, but consider that the unknown and the unseen are unknown and unseen because there's no evidence for them, whereas for what I assert as true, there IS evidence and a cogent line of reasoning that leads to a defensible conclusion. You, on the other hand, are a fantasist and a mythologist. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that as long as you know you're dealing with fantasy and mythology, but to mistake them for literal descriptions of reality seems to me to be foolish beyond description.


What is the difference between the materialist and the believer in God and the afterlife?

The materialist closes his eyes, ears and insight to consider anything beyond his special senses.

Whereas the believer believes in God Who is Invisible to the eyesight, as does he believe in the ethereal world of souls, angels and Paradise.

Moreover, the believer believes in the Judgment which has not come yet, as does he believe in the reward and punishment: he believes in Paradise and Hell while he has not seen all that yet.

While the materialist believes only and exclusively in what his special senses perceive while this is not necessarily true and real; on the contrary the scientific thinking cannot rule out the existence of the ethereal world of souls, spirits, angels, devils and demons.
Therefore, asserting such a thing that this world of souls and the afterlife does not exist can never be any scientific.

On the other hand, the logical proofs and evidence proves (in spite of the assertions of atheists) the existence of the Creator of the universe and the afterlife and the Judgment following Doomsday.

This is in the Quran 2: 1-7
الم .
ذَلِكَ الْكِتَابُ لاَ رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ .
الَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْغَيْبِ وَيُقِيمُونَ الصَّلاةَ وَمِمَّا رَزَقْنَاهُمْ يُنفِقُونَ .
والَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ وَمَا أُنزِلَ مِن قَبْلِكَ وَبِالآخِرَةِ هُمْ يُوقِنُونَ .
أُوْلَـئِكَ عَلَى هُدًى مِّن رَّبِّهِمْ وَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْمُفْلِحُونَ .
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ سَوَاءٌ عَلَيْهِمْ أَأَنذَرْتَهُمْ أَمْ لَمْ تُنذِرْهُمْ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ .
خَتَمَ اللّهُ عَلَى قُلُوبِهمْ وَعَلَى سَمْعِهِمْ وَعَلَى أَبْصَارِهِمْ غِشَاوَةٌ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عظِيمٌ

The explanation:
(In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

Alif, Lam, Miem.
The explanation: (Recite To them, O Mohammed!)

That Scripture [the Quran revelations before revealing these ayat and then were written down by the Prophet's companions], whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who ward off [God's punishment.]

Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them.

And who believe in that [Quran] which is revealed to you [ Mohammed] and that [Bible] which was revealed before you, and are certain of the afterlife.

These have guidance from their Lord. These are the successful.

Surely, those who deny; it is the same to them – whether you [Mohammed] warn them or you warn them not – they believe not [because they are wrong-doers, and God does not guide them whatever you speak to them.]

God has set a seal upon their hearts and on their hearing, and on their sights is a veil, and there awaits them a grievous chastisement.)

 
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*الم .*
*ذَلِكَ الْكِتَابُ لاَ رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ .*
*الَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْغَيْبِ وَيُقِيمُونَ الصَّلاةَ وَمِمَّا رَزَقْنَاهُمْ يُنفِقُونَ .*
*والَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ وَمَا أُنزِلَ مِن قَبْلِكَ وَبِالآخِرَةِ هُمْ يُوقِنُونَ .*
*أُوْلَـئِكَ عَلَى هُدًى مِّن رَّبِّهِمْ وَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْمُفْلِحُونَ .*
*إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ سَوَاءٌ عَلَيْهِمْ أَأَنذَرْتَهُمْ أَمْ لَمْ تُنذِرْهُمْ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ .*
*خَتَمَ اللّهُ عَلَى قُلُوبِهمْ وَعَلَى سَمْعِهِمْ وَعَلَى أَبْصَارِهِمْ غِشَاوَةٌ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عظِيمٌ*

What business has this "hyerglyphics" being in a Canadian forum where the acceptable language is English (and under extenuating circumstances, French)? :lol::lol:
 

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*الم .*
*ذَلِكَ الْكِتَابُ لاَ رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ .*
*الَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْغَيْبِ وَيُقِيمُونَ الصَّلاةَ وَمِمَّا رَزَقْنَاهُمْ يُنفِقُونَ .*
*والَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ وَمَا أُنزِلَ مِن قَبْلِكَ وَبِالآخِرَةِ هُمْ يُوقِنُونَ .*
*أُوْلَـئِكَ عَلَى هُدًى مِّن رَّبِّهِمْ وَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْمُفْلِحُونَ .*
*إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ سَوَاءٌ عَلَيْهِمْ أَأَنذَرْتَهُمْ أَمْ لَمْ تُنذِرْهُمْ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ .*
*خَتَمَ اللّهُ عَلَى قُلُوبِهمْ وَعَلَى سَمْعِهِمْ وَعَلَى أَبْصَارِهِمْ غِشَاوَةٌ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عظِيمٌ*

What business has this "hyerglyphics" being in a Canadian forum where the acceptable language is English (and under extenuating circumstances, French)? :lol::lol:


The answer to this is in the same post:
(Surely, those who deny; it is the same to them – whether you [Mohammed] warn them or you warn them not – they believe not [because they are wrong-doers, and God does not guide them whatever you speak to them.]


God has set a seal upon their hearts and on their hearing, and on their sights is a veil, and there awaits them a grievous chastisement [in the afterlife.] )