Actually, they sit in judgement of whether the laws drafted by politicians contravene existing laws, ie, our Charter.
Insite Given Exemption By SCoC
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Actually, they sit in judgement of whether the laws drafted by politicians contravene existing laws, ie, our Charter.
There we go, I knew one of the brain dead conservatives on this board would be throwing down the "homosexual" card.
You just notice CS posting these silly comments about homosexuals?
This is the second time in the last couple days he's pulled that out of his, for no apparent reason.
Baloney.
Exactly what part of the law is the Minister NOT following?????
Is it "unconstitutional" for the Nanny State not to provide any treatment that has health benefits????
So why are cigarettes for sale?
Or fast cars???
Or alcohol????
Or why can't we get the treatments we need for cancer, or for back pain, or for that matter for headache, for hang nails????
After all, it must be "unconstitutional".
Do you not understand that by your definition of the Constitution you are opening the door to a never-ending regimen of investigation, interference, regulation, taxation????, ............the logical extension of the Nanny State is the Infant citizenry.....not only restricted from making their own decisions, but but unwilling, and eventually completely unable.
The end of Liberty.
All the Feds have to do at this point is withdraw Insite's exemption from harbouring illegal narcotics. Once the police are capable of investigating narcotics related issues inside the clinic, the facility will essentially cease to exist.
The healthcare angle is a superficial ruse, the only protective component was that the facility could 'contain' (via their client base) the actual narcotic.
The healthcare angle is a superficial ruse, the only protective component was that the facility could 'contain' (via their client base) the actual narcotic.
That might backfire in that it might ultimately do more harm than good. Over crowded jails would be more overcrowded with addicts and I doubt if even one of them would be cured. You gotta be careful what you wish for! :smile:
Insite isn't keeping these people out of prison, nor is that facility the only place where an individual consumes their drugs. Society won't be getting rid of drugs anytime soon, so like it or not, we're stuck with the consequences.
In the end, it really doesn't matter whether the "solution" is prison, forced rehab or voluntary access to medical assistance. The probabilities are such that the longer an addict participates in this activity, the more likely they are to die from medical-related complications, violence or overdose.
That is a cold and clinical thing for me to say, but no matter how much you pretty-up the issue, it's nothing more than a form of prolonged suicide.
In the end, it really doesn't matter whether the "solution" is prison, forced rehab or voluntary access to medical assistance. The probabilities are such that the longer an addict participates in this activity, the more likely they are to die from medical-related complications, violence or overdose.
That is a cold and clinical thing for me to say, but no matter how much you pretty-up the issue, it's nothing more than a form of prolonged suicide.
It's both a supply issues as well as a demand issue, both components need to be managed accordingly if any results are to be seen.
As far as going after the people that visit Insite, well, these drugs are still illegal regardless of where they are consumed. Hell, I could make the argument that Insite is promoting drug use as the clinic is the safe haven for their use without legal consequence.
It sure makes you wonder howm many dealers hang out in that 1 or 2 block radius to sell their wares where the cops can't bust users, in fact, I'd wager that you could easily buy your drugs at Insite despite it being prohibited.
I'm trying to remember what the "Four Pillars" were, that were supposedly the "building blocks" of this initiative at the the "gallery" opening during Larry Campbell's reign. I have a feeling we should be re examining them and checking as to their relevence.
I'ts likethe 4 H.
Heroin, Hypodermics Hope and Help
I'm going to go check Insite out tomorow and see for myself and ask questions from those who use the service who are willing to talk. Should be a fun time.
Heroin, Hypodermics Hope and Help
I'm going to go check Insite out tomorow and see for myself and ask questions from those who use the service who are willing to talk. Should be a fun time.
It would be interesting if we could find out how many have actually gotten off drugs and got back to leading productive lives since the site opened. Ten would be success in my estimation.
Saving lives is what matters to me. Addiction is far more complex than just the drug or actions someone takes.
I'm going to ask the patrons one question: "What do you need to help youself beat your addiction?"
How high on that list would be "spending time in the hoosegow"?
I'm going to ask the patrons one question: "What do you need to help youself beat your addiction?"
How high on that list would be "spending time in the hoosegow"?
Generally speaking I not in favour of "spending time in the hoosegow". Most of them are not criminals at least in the sense of being innate criminals. I think the ones who truly want to be rehabillitated could be monitored with an ankle bracelet while being eased back in to the work force. Even without a formal job there is lots that can be done around Vancouver on a voluntary/minimum wage basis. Picking up garbage and maintaining parks would be a good start. Maybe for a start take 10 of the most promising and see how that works out.
Work isn't the solution to a mental health and physical issues either JLM. Mental stability comes before housing stability and employment stability.
Have to disagree with you on that one, especially if the work is physical in nature. Many of them are likely dumpster diving anyway so I don't think it would be difficult to steer them into something more productive. Also working helps rid people of negative thoughts.
They dumpster dive on their own clock. Regimented scheduled dumpster diving would even end in a dead end.
Maybe a 10 Cent an hour incentive to work on someone elses clock might work. :smile:
That's $300,000 per success... Not exactly cost effective, is it?
I'll bet you that one of the popular responses will be "Just one last hit"