Indigenous Canadians take leading role in battle against TAR SANDS pipeline

[Jinentonix]

Doesn't matter what you call them, they still look like the azzhole of the world and its suffering from a.n.a.l leakage.

The area where much of the extraction is taking place was a friggin' toxic wasteland long before it ever got developed. In fact many of the reclaimed areas look better than they did before they were mined.
Although they are digging deeper in some areas now, much of what has been extracted was only inches below the surface, toxifying and ultimately killing anything that grew there. Brown patches of grass and scrub. Trees that were deformed and dead or dying. Seepage into the waterways after a good rain or heavy thaw.
It was no pure, pristine landscape.

 

[captain morgan]

Let me see, clearcutting is more like wildfire, and trees and bushes grow back. Forest companies have decided it is wise to replant. And the land around Brenda Mines is reclaimed. etc. It is not all bad over here. lol

The oilsands are a by product of a natural event and the reclamation efforts are intense and heavily scrutinzed

 

[skookumchuck]

The area where much of the extraction is taking place was a friggin' toxic wasteland long before it ever got developed. In fact many of the reclaimed areas look better than they did before they were mined.
Although they are digging deeper in some areas now, much of what has been extracted was only inches below the surface, toxifying and ultimately killing anything that grew there. Brown patches of grass and scrub. Trees that were deformed and dead or dying. Seepage into the waterways after a good rain or heavy thaw.
It was no pure, pristine landscape.

I have posted my own experience in the oilsands in 1965/66. Along with the truth about seepage into the waterways, most notably the blobs of oil floating down the river after a rainfall. cliffy however was a hippee, believing any BS he was fed while happily eating anything else that was free.

 

[Jinentonix]

I have posted my own experience in the oilsands in 1965/66. Along with the truth about seepage into the waterways, most notably the blobs of oil floating down the river after a rainfall. cliffy however was a hippee, believing any BS he was fed while happily eating anything else that was free.

My first eyes on experience was from the air. While there was a noticeable difference between the area that was being developed and the areas that hadn't been touched yet, most of what hadn't been touched at that point sure wasn't going to win any prizes for its "natural beauty" and "diverse ecosystem". :lol:

 

[captain morgan]

And there is nothing but rosewater in your septic tank? Or local sewage facility?

The folks South of Victoria just love the 100s of thousands of liters of raw sewage that is pumped into the sea daily by the BC gvt... Adds even more cred to the moniker 'Beautiful BC'

 

[petros]

The largest single "ecodisaster" is when they clear cut Manitoba for grain farming. Every last one of us dines from that clear cut.

 

[pgs]

The folks South of Victoria just love the 100s of thousands of liters of raw sewage that is pumped into the sea daily by the BC gvt... Adds even more cred to the moniker 'Beautiful BC'

But didn't Victoria elect a green MP . They want to vote green but oppose any tax hike to rectify that sewage outflow .

 

[taxslave]

Yes it looks like hell and is an eye sore. Now it could be said the same for the
above ground mining in parts of Europe. It is not what it looks like right now it
is a question of what will it look like after reclamation.
I am not against the oil sands or tar sands i am against leaving a mess behind.
I am not against pipelines just against this one for two reasons one its the
company in charge and secondly I think we should have an east west line and
use the stuff ourselves giving Canadian companies an edge screw international
agreements. The bit we would export would be at hugely beneficial prices for
Canadian companies and the Canadian economy. For those about to be critical
yes I am an economic nationalist. Canada looking after Canadians first period.

Looks far better than any city I ever seen. At least after extracting the oil the land is reclaimed. WHat is done to improve cities after they get infested with stupid people?

Tar sands.

Try reding Anna's link. A little education will do you good after all that indoctrination.

 

[petros]

Reclamation laws are super f-cking strict and the fines are heavy.

 

[MHz]

U
If you really want to get technical, the correct term would be "bitumen sands".

Wrong again, 'heavy crude'.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Indigenous Canadians take leading role in battle against TAR SANDS pipeline?

Almost irrelevant, sorry to say. Saudi Arabia (and OPEC following) in battle
against the Oil Sands in North America (& that includes California & Utah which
we hear almost nothing about) along with the huge Bakken Play by flooding the
global market with $45/barrel oil to keep the USA from becoming non-dependent
on oil imports is very relevant. Smoke & mirrors.

 

[captain morgan]

But didn't Victoria elect a green MP . They want to vote green but oppose any tax hike to rectify that sewage outflow .

Did they?

You'd never know it by the sewage dumping policy that they promote

Indigenous Canadians take leading role in battle against TAR SANDS pipeline?

Almost irrelevant, sorry to say. Saudi Arabia (and OPEC following) in battle
against the Oil Sands in North America (& that includes California & Utah which
we hear almost nothing about) along with the huge Bakken Play by flooding the
global market with $45/barrel oil to keep the USA from becoming non-dependent
on oil imports is very relevant. Smoke & mirrors.

Yep, a Canadian company is the first corp to get a license in the USA to work the Utah oilsands.

Funny you don't hear about greenpeace or neil young having conniptions about it

 

[Ron in Regina]

Yep, a Canadian company is the first corp to get a license in the USA to work the Utah oilsands.

Funny you don't hear about greenpeace or neil young having conniptions about it

Weird that, eh? You've brought up the whole, 'follow the money' thing that is
so relevent to this very conspicious silence regarding the California & Utah
Oil Sands....but such noise on the Alberta Oil Sands. Greenpeace & Neil
Young are nobodies puppets though, I guess. More smoke & mirrors.

Makes one ask (if one thinks), who profits from attacking the Canadian Oil
Sands industry while muzzling the American Oil Sands industry? Hmmm....
or don't think about it. Whatever. Just call the Canadian Oil Sands industry
the Tar Sands and be ignorent about what is in the magicians other hand.

 

[gerryh]

Can you say hypocrites?





Eagle Spirit pipeline plan obtains ‘licence’ as B.C. First Nations chiefs sign on to project | Financial Post

 

[DaSleeper]

Scared of missing the gravy train, they were.....

Poor Cliffy, the injun wannabe, must be dispointed...

 

[gerryh]

Can you say hypocrites?





Eagle Spirit pipeline plan obtains ‘licence’ as B.C. First Nations chiefs sign on to project | Financial Post

Scared of missing the gravy train, they were.....

Poor Cliffy, the injun wannabe, must be dispointed...

and the silence is fu cking deafening.

 

[Ludlow]

silence is golden "frankee valle

 

[DaSleeper]

chirp chirp?

 

[AnnaG]

One thing the pictures don't show is the God-awful stench of the tar sands.

And I am sure the Fraser Valley Pig Poo scent is a big attraction, too, huh? lol

The oilsands are a by product of a natural event and the reclamation efforts are intense and heavily scrutinzed

True but wildfires are a natural event as well with the big difference that clearcuts leave the wood usable; wildfires, not so much. And because tree harvesting does not leave much pollution behind, the reclamation efforts do not need to be as intensive nor scrutinized as closely.

Wrong again, 'heavy crude'.

Nope. Bituminous sand. I would suggest you stick to your Biblical wonderment as your grasp of science is lacking (at least for now). There are courses that you can take online, though. Try here: No Excuse List

 

[captain morgan]

True but wildfires are a natural event as well with the big difference that clearcuts leave the wood usable; wildfires, not so much. And because tree harvesting does not leave much pollution behind, the reclamation efforts do not need to be as intensive nor scrutinized as closely.

That's a fair argument, and for the record, I am very much in favor of forest management.

On that note though, the bitumen in the ground is close enough to surface that the oil does naturally leak into the rivers/lakes, let alone the drainage into the local (shallow) aquifers carries oil as well.... A similar argument exists between the 2 sectors in terms of mitigation/management