Indications of the truthfulness of Prophet Mohammed

[Murphy]

This next reading from the Book of Oy Vey! Why Jewish comedians are funny, concerns well known comic Mel Brooks. He wrote quite a bit of oy vey! himself! Mel delivers his messages in different ways. Through film, television, songs and writing, of course.

He was from a long line of Polish Jews on daddy's side, and Ukrainian Jews on mommy's. Mel was born in the US however, in June of 1926. Doing the math, that makes him 90. Obviously, he had no bombs strapped to his chest! Melvin Kaminski says that he was funny because there was a lot of tragedy in the family. Kaminski was his birth name. Brooks is his goyim name.

I could go on for pages about Mel, but some of his best oy vey! came to us in the 1970s. This is his favourite...

“Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. I met a beautiful girl last night, but she was rather thin. I mean this is a skinny girl. You never saw anybody so thin. She turned sideways and you didn’t see her. I took her to a restaurant and the maître ‘d said to me, ‘Check your umbrella?’”

What this oy vey means is that we can look at our physical make up, our appearance and rather than be embarrassed or ashamed of it, make it into something funny! Oy vey!

This ends the lesson.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Rbelievese: Indications of the truthfulness of Prophet Mohammed

When God reveals to any prophet, what will He tell him? God will tell him: Say to people so and so.

So the prophet hears the revelation, and will tell people about it.

That's not an answer, it's just a restatement of your original claim. How can you possibly know what god will tell a prophet? You're still begging the question. Nobody who believes he's got a divinely inspired message needs to be told to spread the word, he'll be compelled by his own self-righteous certainty. I've met many such people and they're pretty tiresome. There are a few of them here, though you I think are the only Muslim preaching here. Did god tell you to come into this message board to spread the message of Islam? And how's that working for you, have you convinced anybody?

Why does an omnipotent being need prophets and proselytizers to speak for him? If he really wanted us to know something he could just implant the information into all of us at once, he wouldn't need intermediaries to tell us. That's really a very inefficient and ineffective way to get the message out, given the powers he's supposed to have.

 

[darkbeaver]

He's convinced me.

Sounds like he's convinced you as well. Of what is the question.

 

[Cliffy]

 

[taxslave]

The second point of the post #19:

The Prophet at the beginning doubted about his apostle-hood:

[At the beginning, when the revelation to the prophet – salam to him – commenced, and he invited his people to the Islam, they refused to convert and become Muslims, but they started to ridicule him, and they said: "The one who brought to you the revelation is one of the genie and is not in fact an angel; and had God wanted to send any apostle, He should have sent some of the angels."

So the prophet returned conceiving within himself some doubt about that, and felt inferiority, and he thought: If truly I had been any prophet and if that which I heard had been true, then these men should have believed in me."

Therefore, this aya was revealed to him in order to assure him, and to affirm him in his mission, and so that he should not hesitate:]


Quran 10: 94
{94. And if you [Mohammed] are in doubt of [the revelation] that We have sent down to you, then question those [Jews] who read the Scripture [that was] before you a.

The truth, indeed, has come to you from your Lord [not from genies b];

so be not of those who waver c.}
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94 a And say to them: Was Moses an angel that came down from heaven, or was he a human being like you? And were the prophets, who followed after him, angels that came down from heaven or were they human beings like you?

So if they say that they were human beings like you, then know that you are an apostle; therefore, carry out your duty and warn your people; for God guides whomsoever He likes, and their guidance in fact is not up to you.

94 b As do they claim.

94 c It means: Don't doubt about yourself, and don't feel yourself inferior to the mission, for God chooses to it anyone of His servants He likes, and He has chosen you to it.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/10.htm#a10_94
quran-ayat(dot)com

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So their denial and their disbelief let him waver about the truth of his mission, and it might be from Satan, not from the angel.
He though with himself: If I am a true messenger, why don't these people believe me?

Therefore, God explained to him that he was like the rest of His messengers: Abraham, Moses and Jesus: all of them were human beings, not angels.

Moreover, they do not believe: not because he was not truthful, but because God does not guide them on account of their wrong-doing and transgression on the weak and being unkind to the poor.

This is included in the following ayat:
Quran 10: 94-97, which mean:
{94. And if you [Mohammed] are in doubt of [the revelation] that We have sent down to you, then question those [Jews] who read the Scripture [that was] before you a.

The truth, indeed, has come to you from your Lord [not from genies b];

so be not of those who waver c.


95. Nor do you cry lies to God's revelations d; for then you will lose [the prophet-hood e.]


96. They will not believe: those [associaters] against whom God's word [of punishment] is pronounced [: for in fact they deserve the punishment.]


97. [They will not believe] though every miracle comes to them [which they demanded from you, Mohammed,] till they see the painful chastisement f.}
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94 a And say to them: Was Moses an angel that came down from heaven, or was he a human being like you? And were the prophets, who followed after him, angels that came down from heaven or were they human beings like you?

So if they say that they were human beings like you, then know that you are an apostle; therefore, carry out your duty and warn your people; for God guides whomsoever He likes, and their guidance in fact is not up to you.

94 b As do they claim.

94 c It means: Don't doubt about yourself, and don't feel yourself inferior to the mission, for God chooses to it anyone of His servants He likes, and He has chosen you to it.


95 d When you say: it may be from a genie, not from an angel.

95 e While God has chosen you to it.


97 f Either in the life of the World by killing and captivity, or in the afterlife in Hell.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/10.htm#a10_94

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Afterwards, and as the Quran revelations continued in various situations and circumstances, then the belief of the Prophet and of the believers became firm and sure, and the Prophet started to call people with determination, and he did not pay attention to the mockery of the disbelievers and idolaters, until a large number of them believed.

"Then when the revealing of many soora and ayat came to him, he was assured and became certain that he was a prophet and a messenger (or apostle) to the Arab; therefore, he started to invite his people with determination and warn them with a firm will, paying no attention to their words and minding not about their mockery, until a large number of them believed, and His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 2: 286 was revealed, which means:

(The messenger [Mohammed] has now believed in [the revelation] that is revealed to him from his Lord; and the believers [have also believed];
each one [of them] believes in God, His angels ..etc.)"

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/10.htm#a10_97
quran-ayat(dot)com

Should have gotten yourself an education instead of believing in this myth.

 

[Danbones]

rumor has it, that the whole religion was created by the Augustines to beat up on other competing Christians/religions, and to help generate wealth and power:
politicians and bankers make more in a day of war, then a year of pieces
( something involving the explanation for the common reverence for the virgin Mary)

...now where have we seen that before...since....

 

[selfsame]

Re: Rbelievese: Indications of the truthfulness of Prophet Mohammed

That's not an answer, it's just a restatement of your original claim. How can you possibly know what god will tell a prophet? You're still begging the question. Nobody who believes he's got a divinely inspired message needs to be told to spread the word, he'll be compelled by his own self-righteous certainty. I've met many such people and they're pretty tiresome. There are a few of them here, though you I think are the only Muslim preaching here. Did god tell you to come into this message board to spread the message of Islam? And how's that working for you, have you convinced anybody?

Why does an omnipotent being need prophets and proselytizers to speak for him? If he really wanted us to know something he could just implant the information into all of us at once, he wouldn't need intermediaries to tell us. That's really a very inefficient and ineffective way to get the message out, given the powers he's supposed to have.

Decorate your words to the angel of death when he will come to you, certainly.

Anyhow, we have spoken about this point before, and it was answered. But you and some others ignore it.

God can do anything; he can make all people guided altogether and they will then worship Him as One Eternal God: the Creator.

God can make all His created beings to be like the bee: all of them believe and all of them obedient.

But He decided that He will not guide the wrong-doers out of His servants.

God even has hidden the Afterlife from us, to see whether people truly believe or not. If He exposes the Afterlife to people, then all of them will be believers.

When disbelievers die, all of them will ask for a respite so as to correct their belief and their conduct, particularly the alms-giving and the offering to the poor and needy out of their money for God's sake, so as to reap that in the Afterlife; but they will not be granted their request.

For me, I will tell people about the Quran, whether this may delight some or vex others.

Yes, in fact by consulting God, sometimes I should tell them about the Quran, while other times I am commanded to leave them be even after they have been acquainted.

So sometimes I should (say to them) as in some ayat of the Quran and (it should not be concealed from people), while other times I should (leave them be) for they insist on their disbelief and they will have their punishment.

Therefore, it may be for this man or that woman or for none or for many ... God knows better; or it may be an argument against all of them, so none may say in the Next Life, I was not aware of the Quran and its interpretation.

Moreover, I find it in the search available on the web or the net.

Should have gotten yourself an education instead of believing in this myth.

The Quran is valuable and is essential part of the education, and it in fact is not any myth.

What's the advantage of your education, as I see here on this forum: all of it: Traudeu did so and Trump said that .. most of it in comparison to the greatly valuable Quran is only vain talk and useless words.

While the Quran teaches about the Next Life and about a large number of serious topics and interesting knowledge.
http://www.quran-ayat.com/
quran-ayat(dot)com

 

[Ludlow]

What makes your god any more authentic than the Hindu Gods, Zoroastrian God, Mayan Gods, Native American great Spirit, Pagan Gods or the thousands of other gods that others believe in ? What is so special about yours Selfsap? And what is it that justifies "his" authenticity and disqualifies all the others. ?

 

[selfsame]

Of what is the question.

If Mohammed invented the Quran, then he would not say to himself: (Say to people or say to them),
and he would not say to himself: Don't hasten and read the Quran before its revelation is completed by the angel,
and he would not say to himself: you are doubting, so now leave your doubts and don't waver ... because he wants to convince people, so would he tell them: I am doubting about my prophet-hood?

The third point
God blames the prophet:

God blamed His messenger in many ayat, concerning some acts of the messenger, that he should not have done such acts.
As and example, these ayat of the Quran 80: 1-12, which mean:

[Abdullah son of Ummi Maktoom was one of the companions of God’s messenger, and he was blind; the Prophet sent him to one of Quraish tribesmen to invite him to convert and embrace the Islam religion.

So when Abdullah came and talked to him, he disdained to comply with a blind and poor man, so he frowned and turned away from him and did not listen to his words.

Then Abdullah returned and told the Prophet about that, and said: “If you yourself go to him, he may comply with your words and yield to you.”

Then that man regretted afterwards about his turning away, and came to the Prophet and converted.

Therefore, these ayat were revealed:]

1. One [of the Quraish tribesmen] scowled [at the blind man] and turned in aversion [away from believing.]

2. When a blind man [: Abdullah, the son of Ummi Maktuom] came [inviting] him [to believe.]

3. But you [Mohammed] know not that [had you yourself gone to invite him to believe] he might [have converted and] become purified [from the disbelief and association!]

4. Or he might have received admonition [of the Quran], and the admonition would then have profited him! a

5. Then as for him who is disdainfully indifferent [to the Quran, and who gets away from it],

6. To him you [Mohammed] attend b [in order to rehearse to him some of the Quran revelations.]

7. Yet nothing [of his punishment will fall] on you, if he does not purify himself [from the association. c]

8. Whereas he who came to you, walking with determination [and converted],

9. While he feared [God's punishment, if he persists on his association.]

10. Him you [Mohammed] do ignore! d

11. By no means e; for the [Quran revelations] are indeed an admonition.

12. So let whosoever likes [to have admonition], receive the admonition [of the Quran.]}
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4 a Or he might have listened to the Quran and received its admonition and made use of that to which he listened.

6 b i.e. you stand in his way and stop him.

7 c You only are tasked with the warning, not with the guidance.

10 d The meaning: You divert yourself from him, and you yourself did not go to him but you sent the blind man to invite him to the Islam.

11 e Do not do such a thing: to target him who is disdainfully indifferent to the Quran, and ignore the one who has a sincere desire in the faith.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/80.htm#a80_1
quran-ayat(dot)com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKc6hzKyGhg​

 

[Murphy]

This next reading from the Book of Oy Vey! Why Jewish Comedians Are Funny, concerns well known comic George Burns. George was a lot of things - husband, father, singer, writer and much more. People often laugh when I say singer, but I didn't mean his singing on stage or television with his wife Gracie Allen. I was thinking about the song, "I Wish I was 18 Again". He had others. "Old Bones" also did well.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3c-WBn5cCg

George was born in New York City in 1896 and died 100 years later in 1996. As they say in the theatre, a pretty good run! He was born Nathan Birnbaum. Did you know that Birnbaum is German for pear tree?

His heritage is from a region called Galacia - not Spain, but an area south of Poland. Galacia got split up in the 1800s by Poland and Lithuania. They were after getting more comedians, I guess.

In his long life, George was a hit in Vaudeville, radio, television, movies, on the modern stage, speaking engagements, and as a writer. Here is a recording of George's favourite joke.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4eIECXugB8

What this oy vey means is someone's else's pain can be the punchline of a joke. Like mothers, it's all relative.

This ends the lesson.

 

[selfsame]

Quran 41: 26, which means:
{And those who disbelieve said [to each other]: Do not listen to this Quran but oppose it with much speaking and [interrupt, the one reciting it, with shouting], so that you may overcome a.}
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26 a i.e. you may overcome the one reciting the Quran, and he may then stop reciting it.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/41.htm#a41_26
quran-ayat(dot)com

 

[Murphy]

This next reading from the Book of Oy Vey! Why Jewish Comedians Are Funny, concerns well known comic, Joan Rivers.

Unlike some religions and Middle Eastern death cults, women are valued by members of the Jewish community. So it was with Joan.

Joan's real name was Joan Molinski. She was born in 1933 and left us in 2014, to entertain the Lord. In the 81 years she was with us, she made everyone laugh with her quick wit and NYC charm.

Joan's family was descended from Russian Jews. A large branch of the clan. She made us laugh for close to 60 years. Another good run!

Joan has been asked many times what her favourite joke was. By the way, she wrote most of her own material. She said she had many, so I picked three for you to laugh at.

"People say that money is not the key to happiness, but I always figured if you have enough money, you can have a key made."

"I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw that my bath toys were a toaster and a radio."

"I was in a Jewish porno film…one minute of sex and nine minutes of guilt."

What this oy vey means is that it's okay to poke fun at yourself, but do not harm others. Like, strapping explosives to yourself and blowing yourself up in a busy train or bus station.

This ends the lesson.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Now THIS is funny!

 

[Murphy]

Ha! A self ejecting minaret! Maybe they can start a competition to see how far a muezzin (the guy that calls people to prayer with that aggravating wailing) can be launched in daylight.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Ha! A self ejecting minaret! Maybe they can start a competition to see how far a muezzin (the guy that calls people to prayer with that aggravating wailing) can be launched in daylight.

Hope you ain't religious, Murph, cuz I'd just as happily go off on Christianity or any other fairy tale.

Still, kinda fun answering dipshi. . . uh. . . selfsame.

 

[Murphy]

I have my own beliefs, but do not force them on others.

selfsame is a religious zealot that does not understand the audience must be willing to listen. The difference between him and a JW is that you can close the door on JWs. selfsame continues to ramble. He thinks he understands what he's quoting, but doesn't really have a clue. He's had others tell him what to think since he was a child.

I think he has the ability to reason. I believe I saw flashes of it in a few of his responses, but the comfort of the Book of Lies is too overpowering.

As an aside, when the Jesuits walked among the Hurons, the locals were interested more in staring at the odd looking white guys - their skin colour and goofy clothes - but didn't particularly care for their religion. They listened out of curiosity, then killed a bunch. Oops!

 

[selfsame]

The fourth point
God disciplines the prophet

Prophet Mohammed was known for his excellent manner of behaviour, his kindness in addition to his being rough towards idolaters and hypocrites.
Then he said: "My Lord has disciplined me for the best." Or so.

So here God - be glorified - instructed His prophet to the high rank manners and the satisfaction with God's decreed provision including the children:

[The Prophet – salam to him – had four sons, but they died as little children,
so when he would see some of the sons of the associaters, he would persist in looking at them, and wish that one of his sons would have remained living; therefore, His saying – be glorified – in this aya was revealed:]

Quran 15: 88 {[O Mohammed] do not keep your looks on [the sons] that We bestowed on some parents among the [associaters]; and do not grieve on [your children who died c]; but show kindness to the believers.d }
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88 c Because you will find them before you in Paradise, to enjoy their presence and play with them, which will be better for you than their staying in the World and that they will grow older, and you will be in Paradise without children to enjoy yourself with.

88 d There is another aya, similar to this one, in the Quran, chapter 20: 131.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/15.htm#a15_88

My comment:
Had Mohammed been a liar and impostor [as do the falsehood followers claim], he would not have said to himself: Do not keep your looks on the sons of other people wishing that your sons would have remained living and have not all of them died in their childhood.

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There is another aya which tells the same thing:

[There were born for the Prophet – salam to him – four sons, who died in their childhood; so afterwards when he saw the little sons of the associaters, he kept staring at them; therefore, His saying – be glorified – was revealed:]

{Quran 20: 131. But [O Mohammed] don’t keep your staring at [the little sons] that We bestowed on some parents among the [associaters]; [such little sons being] the ‘cheer’ of the life of this World b, that We may try them thereby c; the provision of your Lord [in the Next Life] is far better [for you] and more lasting [than the provision in the life of the World is. d]}
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131 b It means: The children are the lure and enjoyment of the life in the World; with whom their parents enjoy themselves.

131 c i.e. We try or test them with this enjoyment, to see they will be grateful or ungrateful.

131 d An aya similar to this one is in the Quran 15: 88.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/20.htm#a20_131
quran-ayat(dot)com

 

[Cliffy]

Good morning selfsame. How is your alter ego, eanassir, this morning? Has he killed anybody in the name of Allah yet?

 

[Murphy]

This next reading from the Book of Oy Vey! Why Jewish Comedians Are Funny, concerns well known comic, Don Rickles. His comedy comes from insulting people.

Don is another product of New York City, from the borough of Queens. He can trace his roots back to Austria on his mother's side, and Lithuania, on his father's.

Don studied serious acting in the late 1940s, but his career really took off in the 1950s, as a comedian, and he's been insulting people ever since.

He's famous for calling people a 'hockey puck', but let's see...

“Asians are nice people, but they burn a lot of shirts.”

“Every night when I go out on stage, there’s always one nagging fear in the back of my mind. I’m always afraid that somewhere out there, there is one person in the audience that I’m not going to offend!”

“Yeah, I make fun of blacks, and why not? I’m not a black.”

What this oy vey means is that words are words. But speak those words carefully. Done right, a person can make a career using them. Done wrong, you'd sound like selfsame.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZblPwNLH6hg

 

[selfsame]

Now THIS is funny!

Sons [and daughters of vipers] do you boast with destroying the houses of God's worship; your end will certainly be catastrophic, and then none will be sorry for the Zionists.

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The fifth indication of the truthfulness of Prophet Mohammed
God threatens His prophet about saying any word of his own:

Quran 69: 43-49, which mean:
{43. [It is] a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.

44. And if he had forged and attributed any sayings to Us. c

45. We would certainly have taken away [the revelation] from him by force,

46. Then We would have stopped the [continuous] revelations to him. d

47. Nor could anyone of you e have kept [Us] off from him. f

48. And surely the [Quran] is an admonition to those who ward off [God's disobedience.]}
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44 c i.e. if he had said some words of his own, not revealed to him by Us.

46 d The meaning: We would have taken away from him the previous revelations by making him forget it, then We would have curtailed from him the coming and going on revelation.

This is similar to His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 17: 86, which means:
(Had We willed, We could have taken away that which We have revealed to you [Mohammed.]
Then you will find – apart from Us – none to vouchsafe to [bring] it [back.])

47 e i.e. Meccans, and even anyone of his companions.
47 f It means: None of you can defend him against Us. The meaning: Mohammed does not lie for your behalf, because he knows that if God intends evil to him, you then cannot avert such evil.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/69.htm#a69_44
quran-ayat(dot)com

Here is the recitation of this great soora in which these ayat are cited:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94YyJKkG83c​