Independence for Quebec
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You just agreed with what I'd said, that they are not available everywhere. A demand, and not just one parent, but a sufficient demand, must be met, so no, as you've acknowledged, these schools are not available everywhere as 5P claimed.
And the idea of making English the sole official language of Canada is a non-starter if you expect Quebec to remain a part of Canada.
I just checked, and it's still the only French-medium school in town:
École Brodeur de Victoria
And Victoria is quite geographically spread out when you include the suburbs.
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Wulfie explained it quite well. There are no lawfull impediments to learning in French or English in the ROC. Unlike in Quebec, where there are lawfull impediments to learning in English.
That makes the quebecois racist/bigoted rat basterds.
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Wulfie explained it quite well. There are no lawfull impediments to learning in French or English in the ROC. Unlike in Quebec, where there are lawfull impediments to learning in English.
That makes the quebecois racist/bigoted rat basterds.
What is there to argue? When I was young and stupid, I defended Quebecers and all French Canadians for the shoddy treatment by the englais. After all, MY paternal family came to Canada from France in 1653 and helped establish [FONT=trebuchet ms, Arial, Helvetica]Villemarie.
I have since grown up and have seen, the same as my father before me, Quebecois for what it is. Whining baby's that will not be satisfied no matter what they recieve.
My attitude is, if you don't like living in Canada, and you want to be somewhere where only French is spoken, then get the hell out and move there. If you don't want to do that, then suck it up buttercup.
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lol So you are saying that Canada's rules are ok for everyone else but not for Quebec. So much for the Canadian efforts at equality. Quebec is the unequal exception. I've periodically pointed out that BC would be better off without Ottawa, as well. But as long as all provinces remain with Canada, all provinces should abide by the same federal rules.
There's another reason why politicians won't do anything about it: it's too hot a potatoe. Besides that they may simply be tired of the issue.
If Quebec wants its own rules and be special, it should separate (and I mean separate so that it is completely self-reliant like any other developed nation).
Anishinaabemowin was dying, I agree, but in the past decade or so there's been a revival. And there's been a revival without provincial and federal aid I might add. Yet French would be in danger if it didn't get provincial help and federal kissass? I seriously find that extremely hard to believe.
I get it. You want to stick with the status quo. Then quit accepting foreigners into Quebec. *shrugs*
So what's your plan to make sure that everyone speaks English, French, as well as hang onto their own language; that everyone accepts Canadian culture as well as hanging onto their own, etc. and not have conflicts occasionally?
And French is? NB doesn't seemm to agree with you. That province doesn't need special treatment to keep its French.
I think some would, too. Personally, I'd just learn Mandarin and move on. That wouldn't keep me from retaining English, Anishinaabemowin, and Gaeilge. I wouldn't need special laws and kissass from the feds for that.
The language laws don't show that to be the case.
*shrugs* We don't care what you do in Quebec as long as we are all treated the same everywhere in Canada. But as it sits, we aren't. As it sits, anyone in BC can put up a sign in any language they want and have the wording any size they want. Not so in Quebec. Quebec is "special".
There's a case, just not a big enough case to make it worthwhile.
Why? Because Quebec wants to be special and more equal than the rest of the provinces.
Egg Zachary.
NB wouldn't have an issue with that, I am sure. I don't see an issue except that Quebec created an issue.
We're not moving and we're not sucking it up. We don't need to suck anything up. We already CAN have the language laws we want despite what the rest of Canadians think about it. You're obviously the one who needs to come to terms with the fact that the rest of Canada can't dictate how Quebecers will choose to manage their own society.
Apparently there are a few Quebeckers who refuse to be dictated to by Quebec's language cops, too.
I think the RoC for the most part just take a relaxed view of Quebec's phobic & Orwellian stance until someone stirs the pot.
I'm not the one that started ANOTHER Quebec independence thread.
As for Quebecs language laws.....I pity Quebecers, since they feel that French is too weak a language to stand on it's own.
Yeah, really. The Roman empire has been dead for quite a few years, yet Latin is still around. Same for Sanskrit and Ancient Egyptian.
What French? Ville Marie French? Montreal French? Parisian French? Can you get along with Caugun French or Vietnamese French? The reason the slanguage is in danger is partly because it varies from family to family, from community to community, from region to region and every one of them believes their way is the right way. For us Anglais (or Angleek if they want to bring religion into it) we have Official French on our cereal boxes and as a required credit to get out of high school and it isn't even French enough for Quebec language cops.
Consider this a greenie...... my old man used to laugh like hell whenever he read the "french" on the cereal boxes.
Never heard of a French medium school but there are french immersion schools in every school district. The demand is somewhat limited since there is no need to speak french here. As Anna said Hindi or Mandrin would make more sense both as a practical matter and for business.
Which French? The multitude of slanguages or the official version?
I learned the stuff they taught us in school but Italian was more useful to me. When one is belittled for speaking "lawyer French" to someone who speaks a local dialect, one just doesn't bother trying any more.
Exactly! Which means we Quebecers consider you as equals and that if you want to have your own laws we'll be genuinely happy for you and be the first ones clapping.
You folks just seem obsessed by the idea that somehow Quebecers consider themselves superior to other provinces. You have it all wrong. It's just that in our view, provinces should be more independent. Don't blame Quebec for the fact that other provinces act as sub-entities in the face of Canada as a whole. Can you see how our understanding of Canada is fundamentally opposed? Most of you seem to want a monochrome Canada. I want a Canada which respects the different social and cultural realities of each province.
A French-medium school is a school in which French is the medium of instruction in all courses except second-language courses. So in that school, while English class was conducted in English, maths, science, French, art, music, PE, etc. were all conducted in French.
Now I think there may be a misunderstanding here. I'd responded to 5P's claim that French-medium schools were available 'everywhere', correcting him by stating that that is in fact not the case.
This does not mean however that I think it ought to be the case either.
Personally, I think a fair move would be to introduce a Swedish-style voucher programme and requiring all schools that participate in that programme to teach the predominant local language at least as a second language if not a first language, and have the other language taught be a language of the school's choosing. So if a school in Vancouver's China Town wanted to teach Chinese and English instead of English and French, or if a school in Quebec city wanted to teach Spanish and French instead of French and English, that would be a decision for the school to make according to market demand.
So when I had disagreed with 5P about the availability of French-medium instruction 'everywhere', it was not to be interpreted as my wanting it to be 'everywhere' either.
Though I think we ought to have the freedom to send our children to French-medium or English-medium school anywhere in Canada, it certainly ought not to be a right. Let's make a distinction between freedoms and rights here. A Swedish-style voucher programme would help to guarantee that freedom based on market demand, though of course it would not guarantee any right to it, with market demand being a precondition.
Also, though I don't support the CPC on many fronts, I do like some of Scott Reid's ideas concerning 'regional bilingualism', whereby most of the country would adopt either French or English as the official language, depending on the dominant local language, with only some regions being officially bilingual based on significant numbers of both language communities.
I could see Quebec supporting such a proposal. In fact, it's already proposed making Canada Post and other Federal Crown corporations, and Federal government offices subject to Bill 101.
I could also see other provincial governments supporting this since it would save taxpayers money on French-language services where not needed.
This could also benefit international markets. For instance, let's say Canada's labelling laws were also subject to a new policy of regional bilingualism. This would mean that in English-speaking communities, English-language labels would suffice, and in French-speaking communities, French-language labels would suffice. This way, products from the US, UK, Australia, New Zealand, etc. which have English labels but not French on them could still be imported into English Canada, and products from France, Belgium, Switzerland, Senegal, etc. with French-language labels on them but not English could still export them to the French-speaking parts of the country. Only those communities designated as bilingual would require bilingual packaging. This could also help smaller start up copanies. For example, a small company starting up in Quebec city and focusing only on the local market would not need to spend so much money on translator, etc. And the same would apply to a simila company in Victoria, BC let's say.
Machjo: What you describe as French-medium is called French Immersion in B.C. and all school districts have them, although since we have many remote areas not all communities may have one do to lack of population. SO if learning in French is that important to someone they can simply move to where there is one.
I do get tired of looking for English labels and instructions on products when there is no need for bilingual labels.
Face it, outside of Quebec there is no need for french.
I do get tired of looking for English labels and instructions on products when there is no need for bilingual labels.
Face it, outside of Quebec there is no need for french.