I'm conflicted about the Bible. Will you discuss it with me?

[MHz]

What I find offensive about Christianity are those who have a political agenda and want to impose their morality on the rest of us. That is why I come on these threads - to assess whether or not someone is a threat to our freedoms or not.

Imposing your morality on others? You motives aren't that high, you like to insult Christians cause you don't think 'we' have a leg to stand on.

And why do we have to assume anything? Just because you think god had a hand in it doesn't mean that it did.

And because you think He didn't doesn't make you right.

Just because you believe in absolutes doesn't mean there are absolutes when dealing with ancient manuscripts. The NT is full of omissions because the early church was more interested in the politics of control and omitted many early Christian writings because they didn't fit their agenda. What I find interesting is that he protestants think the Catholic church is evil when it was the Catholics who put the bible together under Constantine's authority. Can you not see the irony in that? What happened to the gospels of the other 8 apostles? They were written you know? It just so happens that there is only one surviving copy because the church ordered all copies destroyed. Can you tell us why? Do you know anything about them?

The early Church had the Roman Legion to take care of the politics, if anything the RCC went off the wall when the Roman Empire began to crumble. The RCC Holy Bible of 323AD should be the very same as the English translation that is the 1611KJV.

As for the rest, cry me a river

 

[Cliffy]

Imposing your morality on others? You motives aren't that high, you like to insult Christians cause you don't think 'we' have a leg to stand on.

I don't insult Christians. If they feel insulted it is their problem not mine.

And because you think He didn't doesn't make you right.

You are rather thin skinned this morning.

The early Church had the Roman Legion to take care of the politics, if anything the RCC went off the wall when the Roman Empire began to crumble. The RCC Holy Bible of 323AD should be the very same as the English translation that is the 1611KJV.

But it isn't. The KJ version left out a bunch of books. Also, it is impossible to translate a language completely accurately. And in the last 400 years a multitude of English words have done a 180% turn in their meanings. We do not speak the same language as they did back then. Read a good book on Etymology.

 

[TenPenny]

Plain and simple , if there no god then there nothing , creations as we see it would not exist .

You've changed your argument to be 'if there is no god, there is no life'. I think your original claim was 'without god, life has no meaning', not 'life does not exist'.

So, let's get back to your point.

If we assume that without god, life has NO MEANING, what is the issue with that.

Why does life have to have a meaning?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I'd also like to know how god imbues life with meaning, and what the meaning is.

 

[MHz]

It means life would be so short (the 80 or so years a body can live) as to be pretty much meaningless. A mouse has a life of a few months (in this example), would we consider that to be a life with meaning or a life whose only meaning was to reproduce as many copies of yourself before you die. With God each person and each bird and each fish and each beast of the field will have an eternal life. In that time how many more things can be accomplished than is a few years of life and which life would have 'more meaning'?

I don't insult Christians. If they feel insulted it is their problem not mine.

You are rather thin skinned this morning.


But it isn't. The KJ version left out a bunch of books. Also, it is impossible to translate a language completely accurately. And in the last 400 years a multitude of English words have done a 180% turn in their meanings. We do not speak the same language as they did back then. Read a good book on Etymology.

Bull**** you insult people who say they believe in God all the time.
Even on my thinnest day my skin is still like concrete compared to yours. Right now you are 'insulted' by Goobers comment to you and this is your attempt to show her she was wrong about you. Yes you really are that shallow.

No it didn't, it used the very same material as the RCC Bible, the original Hebrew for the OT and the original Greek for the NT.

Go ahead and read the other Gospels it won't change anything, the book of Enoch was in line for being in the Bible too but Revelation won because it had more to do with the end-days so you might as well read that one to, it still wont change the Bible's story but it might open your eyes to who the angels are in the Bible. (I have my doubts you would accept that so what would be the use really)

 

[TenPenny]

It means life would be so short (the 80 or so years a body can live) as to be pretty much meaningless.

You don't seem to have much confidence in your ability to accomplish anything during your lifetime.

If that is your belief, why bother living at all? Why not just end it now, since you're not going to do much anyway.

 

[MHz]

Like you could do tons of important things in 80 years compared to what you could do over eternity. lol

 

[TenPenny]

Like you could do tons of important things in 80 years compared to what you could do over eternity. lol

You're planning to live for eternity? How do you know you are one of the chosen ones?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

It means life would be so short (the 80 or so years a body can live) as to be pretty much meaningless.

So the meaning of this life is the next life? I find that pretty much meaningless, not to mention a bleak and joyless outlook. With one sentence you've dismissed anything we can achieve in this life as meaningless, except I suppose for one thing, believing and behaving correctly to ensure we get in on the rewards of the next one. But what could there possibly be to achieve in the next life? Isn't the place supposed to be perfect? There's nothing that needs doing there.

 

[lone wolf]

Genesis 9:1

And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

Shortens to Go forth and multiply - with a real neat Brit vernacular

 

[JLM]

To "Conflicted"- this subject has gone on for awhile, so maybe I can help you sort it out once and for all. The Bible has a little bit of truth, a little good advice and A WHOLE PILE OF BULLSH*T. Is that hard to understand?

 

[MHz]

You're planning to live for eternity? How do you know you are one of the chosen ones?

If you were conceived you will be alive in the new earth.

 

[lone wolf]

I'd rather be alive ON it....

 

[MHz]

So the meaning of this life is the next life? I find that pretty much meaningless, not to mention a bleak and joyless outlook. With one sentence you've dismissed anything we can achieve in this life as meaningless, except I suppose for one thing, believing and behaving correctly to ensure we get in on the rewards of the next one. But what could there possibly be to achieve in the next life? Isn't the place supposed to be perfect? There's nothing that needs doing there.

You wanted a definition, life in the Bible isn't limited to how long we can draw breath. That doesn't mean the few years we have are meaningless, it just means the time is very short.
You can't do anything to cut yourself off from life in the new earth, all you can do is influence if you are going to be alive for the first 1,000 years of eternity
If it starts off looking like the verse below then perfection takes time and the last half of Isa:65 is a preview of how that will happen.
If you are there for awhile and you find it boring you can always sin and that will get you to the fiery lake,. do you see that as being a solution to your boredom problem.

Ge:2:5:
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth,
and every herb of the field before it grew:
for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth,
and there was not a man to till the ground.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

That doesn't mean the few years we have are meaningless...

But a few posts back you said they are: "It means life would be so short (the 80 or so years a body can live) as to be pretty much meaningless."

 

[MHz]

But a few posts back you said they are: "It means life would be so short (the 80 or so years a body can live) as to be pretty much meaningless."

Compared to what a person could do in just 1,000 years 80 years is meaningless.

If you prefer to stick with the 80 years we have as being useless what would you use to judge it. How about getting your name in the history books as a sign that you had a meaningful life, that would make about 0.00001% of people born have led meaningful lives.

 

[JLM]

Compared to what a person could do in just 1,000 years 80 years is meaningless.

If you prefer to stick with the 80 years we have as being useless what would you use to judge it. How about getting your name in the history books as a sign that you had a meaningful life, that would make about 0.00001% of people born have led meaningful lives.

What is a meaningful life? Hitler had a "meaningful" life, so did Jeffrey Dahmer! To some a "meaningful life" may simply mean mutual loyalty between them and their dog.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

If you prefer to stick with the 80 years we have as being useless...

That was your claim, not mine, I don't accept that they're useless. They'll have whatever meaning we can create for ourselves, so assessing the meaningfulness of a life is a very personal matter. Your example of getting your name in the history books just trivializes it. BTW, according to your manual, our allotted span is 70 years according to the psalmist, only the unusually strong get 80. Interesting that average life expectancy in the developed world now exceeds both those numbers, while 400 years ago less than 10% of people made it past 50, according to the actuarial table I came across this afternoon in a book about probability. Your infallible guide book doesn't seem to have it right.

 

[TenPenny]

If you were conceived you will be alive in the new earth.

Well, that makes sense. So everyone lives forever, in which case, life has no real meaning.

Compared to what a person could do in just 1,000 years 80 years is meaningless.

If you prefer to stick with the 80 years we have as being useless what would you use to judge it. How about getting your name in the history books as a sign that you had a meaningful life, that would make about 0.00001% of people born have led meaningful lives.

Quite honestly, I'm only concerned that my kids think I led a meaningful life, meaningful to them.

I don't give a rats ass what you think, or 'the history books', but if that's what you take as meaningful, I'm pretty sure you're a dead duck.

 

[MHz]

Do you really think the 1% think any of the 995 have a 'meaningful life'? (other than being bred to be servants to the 1%)
A 'meaningful life' should mean being able to have a dream and then see it fulfilled. My father had aspirations of being a veterinarian, due to things outside his control it never happened. Do you really think he acquainted to walking behind a plow and having kids compared to being a vet and having kids, and still think life was a meaningful experience?
How many people are 'poor' and see their life as being meaningful, seeing their kids grow up in poverty certainly isn't going to ring any bells.

Looking after a cat could give a person a 'meaningful life' in their opinion and the cats. All that is doing is lessening the term so any 'smuck' can be told they led a meaningful life. Go ask a staring child how meaningful life is, then go top his funeral a day or two later and tell anybody there (as if there would be anybody) how meaningful that life was to him.