I'm conflicted about the Bible. Will you discuss it with me?

[JLM]

There are lots of pricks in the history books, I was thinking more of people like JFK. Put a doctor behind a plow and ask him how 'meaningful life'?

Perhaps growing turnips to feed people is more meaningful than pushing pills! :lol:

 

[MHz]

Aren't hell and boredom the same thing?

no, to get into hell you have to be dressed as a soldier on the day He returns of were you under the impression that He would send you to hell if you missed a repentance prayer or something trivial?

Perhaps growing turnips to feed people is more meaningful than pushing pills! :lol:

You missed the part where he sold the farm because the agri industry changed about 1960 to push chems as the way to farm and if you didn't go that route production would not cover the costs of machinery and fuel. Back in the '60's a vet may have had some pills but it was calving and taking care of horses teeth that was the 'mainstream' part of that profession.

 

[JLM]

I said my Dad's life could have been more meaningful to him if the one goal would have been reached, had his father not been a homesteader and war coming along and money for school was not there then with a big ****ing 'YES' I can say his life would have been more meaningful.

I disagree, whether it be "meaningful", "successful" or "beneficial", may have more to do with contending with obstacles and setbacks and being able to be versatile enough to change course............ or as has been said, "when you get dealt a lemon, make lemonade", whether you are you are a doctor, farmer or candlestick maker, matters not nearly as much as being a human being.

 

[MHz]

So he should have not joined the army for WWII but found some way to Vet school. How about after the war when his father passed away looking after the farm and he had to take over the business. **** happens that chips away at the term 'meaningful life'.

 

[L Gilbert]

Do you really think the 1% think any of the 995 have a 'meaningful life'? (other than being bred to be servants to the 1%)
A 'meaningful life' should mean being able to have a dream and then see it fulfilled. My father had aspirations of being a veterinarian, due to things outside his control it never happened. Do you really think he acquainted to walking behind a plow and having kids compared to being a vet and having kids, and still think life was a meaningful experience?
How many people are 'poor' and see their life as being meaningful, seeing their kids grow up in poverty certainly isn't going to ring any bells.

It's irrelevant whether anyone things someone else has a meaningful life.
Who needs to be rich in order to have meaning in their life? I don't. I don't care if my kids get rich or not, as long as they are happy.

Looking after a cat could give a person a 'meaningful life' in their opinion and the cats. All that is doing is lessening the term so any 'smuck' can be told they led a meaningful life. Go ask a staring child how meaningful life is, then go top his funeral a day or two later and tell anybody there (as if there would be anybody) how meaningful that life was to him.

lmao Survival alone gives people meaning to their lives.

You sure assume a lot.

What I am saying is you can't even define what a 'meaningful life' means, If being a vet would have made him happier than labor on his own farm then being a vet would have made his life 'more meaningful' just to himself. You get to decide if your life is meaningful, you don't get to determine if other people's lives have been meaningful based on your standard. That about as conceited as anything I've ever heard.

Then saying that life is meaningless unless you believe in gods is a pretty ridiculous thing to say.

What if the tree of life isn't producing fruit yet. People would be in the same condition as this verse below suggests, would you want to live for 100's or 1,000's of years without anyone being able to touch you?

Joh:20:17:
Jesus saith unto her,
Touch me not;
for I am not yet ascended to my Father:
but go to my brethren,
and say unto them,
I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father;
and to my God,
and your God.

Jeeeeez
What if. Maybe this, Suppose that. What if there is no afterlife, no god, etc. Then you'd have wasted a large part of your life pleasing something that doesn't exist. Perhaps this god that speaks to you is actually Satan conning you.

no, to get into hell you have to be dressed as a soldier on the day He returns of were you under the impression that He would send you to hell if you missed a repentance prayer or something trivial?

lmao So only soldiers are going to hell?
No. I am saying an eternity of boredom might as well be called "hell".

 

[MHz]

It's irrelevant whether anyone things someone else has a meaningful life.
Who needs to be rich in order to have meaning in their life? I don't. I don't care if my kids get rich or not, as long as they are happy.

I agree. Are you on the welfare line, if not you may not even be aware of what poor means.

lmao Survival alone gives people meaning to their lives.

I would guess everyone that doesn't have to do that in it's most basic term has never actually had to do it.

Then saying that life is meaningless unless you believe in gods is a pretty ridiculous thing to say.

So 80 years on planet earth is equal to 80 years plus eternity to rack up things that make living enjoyable

I
Jeeeeez
What if. Maybe this, Suppose that. What if there is no afterlife, no god, etc. Then you'd have wasted a large part of your life pleasing something that doesn't exist. Perhaps this god that speaks to you is actually Satan conning you.

The only one doubting it is you. I doubt Satan would have me reading the Bible.

lmao So only soldiers are going to hell?
No. I am saying an eternity of boredom might as well be called "hell".

Yeah, who did you think was supposed to be going? Children who don't go to bed on time?

Why do you think you will be bored, afraid this life is going to follow you there? Would expanding new earth to as far as out universe goes be boring to you?

Oh.
Not necessarily. I have no doubt that sometimes this happens because nebulae are bit of space debris coagulating, but the indications are that there is more than one way for things to come into existence. I guess you didn't read the link I provided.

We are starting to cover the same things so this is going to be shorter. As far as matter is concerned it can't 'poof', so far science can't account for step one in our creation, should I assume they got back on track when explaining step 23,442?

If it fits, it fits. There's still no point in relying on "ifs" as if they are facts, though.
If science gets things right, it doesn't matter what is done with the Bible. Accuracy is accuracy regardless of where it comes from.
If? More ifs? Ifs are the spawners of fantasy. One can if anything imaginable. So?
Yeah, makes for an entertaining faerie tale like all the other stories of gods and golems.

Using 'if' isn't a sign of doubt, it goes along with early computer programs where they use a lot of 'ids' and 'thens', same as is used in many sheets to troubleshoot a problem.

Like I said, the story is a bunch of hooey unless one believes in magic and a whole pile of ifs and maybes. It's tales of imagination; not realistic. Whether you feel that way or not is irrelevant and so is how you rationalize, assume things, and take liberties with what words mean.

You call it magic I call it power. I'll still be calling it power in the new earth, you won't be calling it magic.

I can make square pegs fit in round holes, too. So?

Is it watertight?

And perhaps the god doesn't exist. Perhaps this. Perhaps that.

Were you expecting to find proof of this thread?

uhuh Like I said, for a god that's supposed to know everything and see everything, this god sure is a screwup.

I wonder if Satan and the fallen angels will enjoy their new home?

If you say so.

You don't even get that part, If some things had to be hidden for the cross to unfold as it was supposed to then that is a reason for the OT to be written the way it was. The OT only had a few verses in it that 'hinted' Gentiles would be saved, the Jews in the 4 Gospels were unaware of that. Is that because God hid it from them or were they sloppy readers?

Yeah, using strange euphemisms sure makes things clear. ( a little sarcasm there).

Bruise was explained in the Bible, just cause it wasn't next to the verse means squat as every topic in the Bible is never fully explain in one spot, you need all the spots before y6ou get the message. Don't blame God for you putting in your definition for bruise.

No, the more obscure and vbague it is, the more likely it's fantasy.

It means you need more info so it means a passage or two is 'missing'.

However science comes to conclusions is pretty clear whether the path to the conclusion is tough or easy. It accumulates data and fact, a hypothesis is formed, everything is verified, tested, and then conclusion is drawn.

So where did the matter for the universe come from to begin with?

Still leaves people believing in whatever they want even if it is fantasy.

It isn't that big of an issue with God,,.... at the moment.

 

[L Gilbert]

I agree. Are you on the welfare line, if not you may not even be aware of what poor means.

lmao One has to be on welfare to know what poor means? Dumb comment.

I would guess everyone that doesn't have to do that in it's most basic term has never actually had to do it.

Anyone can guess anything they like. Sort of like anyone can fantasize anything they like.

So 80 years on planet earth is equal to 80 years plus eternity to rack up things that make living enjoyable

I didn't need 80 years, let alone eternity to enjoy life.

The only one doubting it is you. I doubt Satan would have me reading the Bible.

What I doubt is the rationale behind believing in fantasies. Doubt what you want. I doubt if there were gods and devils, humans could tell if they were being conned or not.

Yeah, who did you think was supposed to be going? Children who don't go to bed on time?

"Sinners" who don't "repent".

Why do you think you will be bored,

Lack of things to keep me interested in existing longer.

afraid this life is going to follow you there?

I'm not afraid of my life at any time.

Would expanding new earth to as far as out universe goes be boring to you?

Eventually.

 

[MHz]

lmao One has to be on welfare to know what poor means? Dumb comment.

Lack of things to keep me interested in existing longer. I'm not afraid of my life at any time. Eventually.

You have to experience poverty to know if you would see life as meaningful to you as a poor person. It wasn't poor people jumping to their deaths in the crash of '29.

Like I said earlier if you don't like the new earth you can always transfer to the fiery lake. Odd that having 100 kids and an almost infinite number of grand-kids would still leave you bored'

 

[L Gilbert]

You have to experience poverty to know if you would see life as meaningful to you as a poor person.

I suppose some people would. I don't think you have the authority to speak for everyone. For one thing, you have no idea where I have been nor what all I have done.

It wasn't poor people jumping to their deaths in the crash of '29.

Ya think?

Like I said earlier if you don't like the new earth you can always transfer to the fiery lake.

Yep. Boredom or hell. Nice choice.

Odd that having 100 kids and an almost infinite number of grand-kids would still leave you bored'

A handful would be enough. Guess you've never heard the phrase "too much of a good thing can be taxing".

 

[Dexter Sinister]

What are you some ****head who goes around preaching 'be happy with what you've got' even if it's peanuts and everybody else is having steak.

No, I've never suggested any such thing, either here or in real life, but you just keep burning those straw men if they keep you warm.

 

[lone wolf]

You have to experience poverty to know if you would see life as meaningful to you as a poor person. It wasn't poor people jumping to their deaths in the crash of '29.

There isn't a month that goes by that I'm not scraping from the bottom of the barrel. Money poor? You bet. Does it matter? Not really. Life means something to me. You'd probably have to experience its end to appreciate it.

It wasn't poor (as in money-poor) people jumping to their deaths in the crash of '29. The day before, their lives had "meaning". It was newly-poor people.

Tell me.... Do you get the same manic desperation from being born again too?

 

[MHz]

Tell me.... Do you get the same manic desperation from being born again too?

I'm quite content and that 'born again thing' is a crock, all I did was start reading a book. born again means you have met God and can describe what His face look like. That means Jesus is the only one to be 'born again' to this date.

 

[lone wolf]

I'm quite content and that 'born again thing' is a crock, all I did was start reading a book. born again means you have met God and can describe what His face look like. That means Jesus is the only one to be 'born again' to this date.

Perhaps to your literal ... but not to the rabies twins....

 

[TenPenny]

I never posted the concept that 'without God, life has no meaning' ,

I didn't say that YOU said that. You are not the only person on this thread.

You seem to be really confused about the whole meaningful life concept. You seem to think that being a doctor or a vet or a politician makes your life meaningful. Sounds like you watch too much tv.

 

[MHz]

You seem to be really confused about the whole meaningful life concept. You seem to think that being a doctor or a vet or a politician makes your life meaningful. Sounds like you watch too much tv.

Not at all, nor do I need you to define 'meaningful life'. To show how how you don't even have a concept of what I said, meaning your comprehension level sucks. I said my dead fathers life would have been more meaningful if he had been able to bring one ambition to reality. Sounds like you can't see past your own nose.

 

[TenPenny]

Not at all, nor do I need you to define 'meaningful life'. To show how how you don't even have a concept of what I said, meaning your comprehension level sucks. I said my dead fathers life would have been more meaningful if he had been able to bring one ambition to reality. Sounds like you can't see past your own nose.

I think you're very confused by your own writing, so let's back up a bit.

How does the existence of God add meaning to your father's life? Specifically.
And, as a supplemental, considering the above, why did his life lack meaning, if god exists?

 

[MHz]

Did you miss my posts that covered that?

I said a meaningful life without God is about 80 years, a meaningful life with God is the 80 yrs plus eternity. It would seem with that much time Dad could tend the fields and treat animals (should they need some help). That clear it up?

 

[JLM]

Did you miss my posts that covered that?

I said a meaningful life without God is about 80 years, a meaningful life with God is the 80 yrs plus eternity. It would seem with that much time Dad could tend the fields and treat animals (should they need some help). That clear it up?

Hey, I've got ocean front property for sale in Nepal! :lol:

 

[TenPenny]

Did you miss my posts that covered that?

I said a meaningful life without God is about 80 years, a meaningful life with God is the 80 yrs plus eternity. It would seem with that much time Dad could tend the fields and treat animals (should they need some help). That clear it up?

So, without god, we live a meaningful life for about 80 years.

Nothing wrong with that, apparently some people feel the need to be immortal.

But then again, you said that anyone conceived lives forever.

 

[MHz]

Hey, I've got ocean front property for sale in Nepal! :lol:

Hope that works out for you, I have a mountain retreat.

So, without god, we live a meaningful life for about 80 years.

Nothing wrong with that, apparently some people feel the need to be immortal.

But then again, you said that anyone conceived lives forever.

Lets say if your life is going to be meaningful, you have about 80 yrs to obtain that 'goal'. Being religious during that time is moot as prayers requests are usually for things that can't be delivered, not that the request is unreasonable, it's just too early for rewards.

To become immortal means more than just desiring it. Really how many people say they don't want to die and then that is almost the very next thing they do.

Actually I said they will be around for the new earth, it has nothing to do with never dieing although some eneter the new earth without ever dieing it isn't the way the vast majority gets there.