Ignatieff Confesses!

Dexter Sinister

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I know all that.
Good, I was pretty sure a person of your erudition would, but I thought, just in case...:)
My problem is a government that exists solely at the pleasure of the Bloc Quebecois.
Agreed, that's a horrible thought, and I too have some serious issues with a party whose major reason for existing amounts to treason by any definition I understand. But that isn't what your OP was about, it was a complaint about what amounts to a coup by Ignatieff, and I take issue with that view of the possible outcomes.
 

JLM

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I get a kick out of those people who compare us to the Brits.
The Brits make lousy policy, are a loser country and many of the Brits want to immigrate to Canada.

And now we have losers in our country who want us to follow what the Brits do, now is that dumb or what ???

Are you sure you know what you are talking about?
 

Fallout

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Ignatieff Confesses!

He will overthrow the gov't, if Harper does not win a majority.



Ignatieff clears the air: Grits could govern if Tories win minority - The Globe and Mail

So there it is folks.

A clear choice.

Harper as PM with a majority, or Ignatieff as PM, beholden to the Bloc Quebecois for his position.

I have to say, I told you so. :)

And I have to give the Count credit. He did step up to the plate and make his intentions known before the vote. Good for him, I'm glad he is not simply stealing the choice from the Canadian people. He is not stupid. He must know this could easily sink his chances. So, he made the ethical choice, and made the peoples' choice clear.

Kudos to the Count.

Now, let's get out there and sink him, for the good of the nation.

A Conservative majority.

After reading this
System broken: former MPs
Study criticizes Parliament


Read More - Google it.

OTTAWA -- As Canadians prepare to choose their next government, a group of former MPs has delivered a scathing a review of how Parliament works.

Or doesn't work, for that matter.
Maybe a coalition would be better than a minority???

And for giggles, there is this:

Elections agency probes harassing calls

Elections Canada has launched a formal investigation into complaints by various Liberal candidates in Ontario that someone is making repeated phone calls to voters, purporting to be Liberal supporters — often at odd hours, including the middle of the night.

Could it be that The Harpers are getting creative?
There is always a first time for anything, right?

Anywho:
It reminds me of the time I scoped a guy in a 3 piece suit wearing Conservative badges from head to toe, insulting as many folks at he could during the after work rush hr, on the eve of an election.
It had the NDP written all over it - I laffed.
 

JLM

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I think the guy needs his head looked at- he's already on a power trip before a single ballot has been cast- I'm not sure if I'm clear on this but it appears to me he figures on running the country teamed up with another loser! :lol::lol::lol:
 

Liberalman

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That is what happens in a minority is that Canadians vote for a MP in the riding who might belong to a party and if there is no majority then deals are made for who is going to lead. If the Liberals win a minority then the Conservatives would form the government with the help of the Bloc and the Ndp. We have to remember that the Liberals deserve the majority because at least they are the more honest party.

It was the Liberal government that decided to have the Gomery inquest of the scandal which was a political suicide thing to do but the Liberals respect the voters and this led to an election that got the Conservatives in power to lead a minority government on accountability and transparency which was an outright lie.

The Conservative government have broken their promises and the Prime Minister refuses to answer questions of the reporters so the voters can understand.

The Conservatives have not proven themselves as a reliable government only a government of deceit and Canadians deserve better.

The Liberals are the only choice for positive change and accountability because they have a proven record.
 

Durry

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Iggy said last night he would form a coalition although that is not the words he used.

Jack will form a coalition with anyone, there is no wh^re like an old who^e, when your desperate you'll take anything you can get !!
 

DurkaDurka

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Gilles Duceppe? Former leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition? What's their to worry about?

I wonder how the coalition would go about lowering the deficit with Gilles robbing us left, right and center? I predict Quebec's transfer payments doubling in the coming years with an arena for Quebec City for good measure.
 

Durry

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I wonder how the coalition would go about lowering the deficit with Gilles robbing us left, right and center? I predict Quebec's transfer payments doubling in the coming years with an arena for Quebec City for good measure.

The coalition has no intentions of lowering the deficit, they only want power so they can get their peckers up !!
 

cranky

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The one thing i liked about cretien, and now harper....they are not afraid to govern. The insignificant parties are always full of crackpot attention *****s. Don't listen to them.
 

mt_pockets1000

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How did this little tidbit get by the Cons? You'd think they'd be all over this by now.

Canoe.ca | Ignatieff linked to Iraq war planning | Canada Election 2011

Iggy is not the messiah, obviously. This could be the final nail in his political coffin, at least in Canada. Although the US can probably still use his expertise when they start planning their next war.

"Never mistake a politicians greasy grin for a heart warming smile." - anonymous
 

weaselwords

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If the Brits had a coalition with Sinn Fein, you might have a point.

But they don't.

For the 33rd time, I have no problems with a coalition.

I have a problem with a government beholden to the separatists. It is simply stupid. At the very least it empowers and enhances the prestige of the BQ in the eyes of Quebecers, and that in itself is NOT good for Canada.
Where was your outrage at Harper after the 39th Parliament when the Conservatives relied on the BQ to pass approx 40 of the 75 bills given Royal Assent?
 

Avro

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Yeah but they do it to grap the Libs by the balls, holding the Libs by the balls is what they do best!

You hold guys by the balls?

That's kinda gay dude.

You should read the article posted in the initial OP..... :)

Then you wouldn't look silly.....

I know what he said.

He said he was willing to work with the Bloc just like Harper did.

Keep them checks rolling.:lol:

It's Iggy's HIDDEN AGENDA......enda.....enda.....enda.....enda.......oogy....boogy....woogy.

Not a problem - People get them confused because of the US System. But no way do i want iggy with as few as 80-90 seats leading the country. To much back room dealing would depend on Gilles ( Give me the money & special powers fro Ques) Ducepppe.

You know that as well as I do.

Ah, you mean the same way Harper dangled the HST money in front of Quebec just after the election was called?

Same crap, different pile.
 

oldrebel

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More people vote for the other parties. Seems to me you just said you don't want the conservatives to form a government. lol
More people voted against Chretien too, but he still held the majority. The Canadian system was intended for a 2 party system and can't ever get a true majority (51%) with the number of parties that run.

That is what happens in a minority is that Canadians vote for a MP in the riding who might belong to a party and if there is no majority then deals are made for who is going to lead. If the Liberals win a minority then the Conservatives would form the government with the help of the Bloc and the Ndp. We have to remember that the Liberals deserve the majority because at least they are the more honest party.

It was the Liberal government that decided to have the Gomery inquest of the scandal which was a political suicide thing to do but the Liberals respect the voters and this led to an election that got the Conservatives in power to lead a minority government on accountability and transparency which was an outright lie.

The Conservative government have broken their promises and the Prime Minister refuses to answer questions of the reporters so the voters can understand.

The Conservatives have not proven themselves as a reliable government only a government of deceit and Canadians deserve better.

The Liberals are the only choice for positive change and accountability because they have a proven record.
That is the way you see it. Not everyone agrees, fortunately.
Harper didn't break any promises. He simply couldn't get the things he promised passed because the opposition always voted them down.
I don't think it's fair to judge him poorly. The opposition has fought him every step of the way, not because he was wrong in what he was doing but because they wanted to invent a plausable cause to get power for themselves.
Face it, the Liberal Party needs to rebuild with a crediible leader and get rid of their sense of entitlement and their illusions of grandeur.
Harper deserves a chance to govern with a majority for a full term. Then the people can judge him. Until that happens, all the accusations against him are simply propaganda from the opposition parties.
 

Praxius

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Iggy said last night he would form a coalition although that is not the words he used.

Jack will form a coalition with anyone, there is no wh^re like an old who^e, when your desperate you'll take anything you can get !!

Get a clue on how our government works...... in order for our government to work, whether it's a minority or majority, in order to make the system work smoothly, other parties must work with other parties.

It's been done before, it will be done again, and if Jack Layton, Iggy or any other party leader states that they will work with other parties to get work done in our government, then believe it or not.... that's a good thing.

It shows that they hold the functionality of our government and our country above selfish partisan politics that put their party's best interests in front of our country and us citizens..... and if you think that's a bad thing, then you don't have a clue.

How did this little tidbit get by the Cons? You'd think they'd be all over this by now.

Canoe.ca | Ignatieff linked to Iraq war planning | Canada Election 2011

Iggy is not the messiah, obviously. This could be the final nail in his political coffin, at least in Canada. Although the US can probably still use his expertise when they start planning their next war.

"Never mistake a politicians greasy grin for a heart warming smile." - anonymous

That's not much different from when Harper as opposition leader, tried to sway the government to join into the Iraq war by plagiarizing the-then Prime Minister of Australia's own speech in support of the war in Iraq, two days after he gave the speech..... word for word.

YouTube - Stephen Harper copies John Howard

Sorry, but this Iraq issue from both Iggy and Harper kind of cancel each other out.

More people voted against Chretien too, but he still held the majority. The Canadian system was intended for a 2 party system and can't ever get a true majority (51%) with the number of parties that run.

A two-party system is no democracy at all.... in that kind of setup, you always end up with a good cop/bad cop situation where both parties take turns leading the nation, finger point at the other as being evil and bad, but in reality, they're both identical and both have the same intentions.

That's an illusion of democracy and in order for Democracy to function properly, you need options to choose from. If the only options you have to choose from are two of the same kind, only one is painted blue and the other is painted red..... then you're a fool for thinking you actually have a choice.

That's why the US system is so screwed and that's why our system is so screwed.... because many people only think there should be just two options.

That is the way you see it. Not everyone agrees, fortunately.
Harper didn't break any promises. He simply couldn't get the things he promised passed because the opposition always voted them down.

Yeah sure.... once again, it's never Harper's fault, it's always someone else's.... Harper is perfect and infallible, he can do no wrong.... now who's the Messiah? :roll:

I don't think it's fair to judge him poorly.

It's fair to judge him any damn way we please.

The opposition has fought him every step of the way, not because he was wrong in what he was doing but because they wanted to invent a plausable cause to get power for themselves.

Oh how silly of us.... of course.... how could we have been so mistaken?? He's not wrong.... everybody else on the planet is.

Cripes almighty.

Face it, the Liberal Party needs to rebuild with a crediible leader and get rid of their sense of entitlement and their illusions of grandeur.

The same can be said about the Cons.

Harper deserves a chance to govern with a majority for a full term.

If he truly deserved that opportunity, he would have had it by now..... he doesn't deserve it. If he can't functionally lead a minority government, how the hell can he be expected to lead a majority?

Then the people can judge him. Until that happens, all the accusations against him are simply propaganda from the opposition parties.

Once again, the same can be said towards Harper and the Cons..... you can't judge the other parties or the other leaders until they're given a chance to lead too..... but since Harper and the Cons have had multiple opportunities to lead the nation and prove they're safe to be given a Majority, there's more evidence to show he and the Cons can't be trusted to be given a majority, compared to the other parties & their leaders.

In other words, you're talking crap and speading your own propaganda..... pot meet kettle.
 

CMPB

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No we want the government we voted for to govern this country, not some power hungry group of men who cannot get the confedence of Canadians to rule them .

If you had listened to the interview he was explaining what COULD happen if the Government lost confidence soon after this election. He then explained how the second party could approach the GG to form a government. Most Canadians don't understand responsible government. I suggest you read a few intro political science texts and learn all about it.
 

cranky

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grow up!
you'd have to be an idiot to read a few intro political science texts just to learn all about it.