Torment is a product of societal pressures and judgements. Left to their own devices, I doubt gays would be tormented by their biological preferences.
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There you go again. Why does having responsibility exclude terminating a pregnancy? I've asked this question several times and received no answer... let alone a good one
Spirits have foresight for everything else except the society they are born into. That makes no sense Cliffy.
no we only retain pieces of the spirit world and past lives, although we do retain our 'level' of wisdom and evolution. Usually, we do not remember as we are but a shadow impression of our past. Children remember better since they are closer to where they have come from which is why they sometimes speak ancient truths.
We write our path to best accelerate ourselves. What happens when we get here has been directed but not written in stone.
Because it's the end result created by an act of irresponsibility.There you go again. Why does having responsibility exclude terminating a pregnancy? I've asked this question several times and received no answer... let alone a good one
I don't think that is what he said
if you knew that "spirit" would just return shortly thereafter to earth, then would it matter? just askin'
... And that fetus - with all it's omnipotent capabilities also then chose the parents that are/were dysfunctional?
Seems to me that makes the case as to why society is absolved from assuming responsibility in these cases.
Although I have respect for all people's personal beliefs/philosophies, I sure do have a tough time in taking seriously the religion-bashing by those that claim to be open-minded yet have ideals that are equally as 'spiritual' in nature.
Agreed. I accept that human life begins at conception. Parents must take responsibility. However, should they not have the means to educate their children, do we then abandon that child to the wolves?
I think I can understand your rationale from the point of view of the good of the planet for the rest of its duration. But I don't think its very practical. Every creature is here for a reason, even rats, flies and mosquitoes. On the other hand man is the dominant specie. I think Mother Nature had things pretty well planned out as far as the world's operation is concerned, but either man being what he is was done for a reason we don't understand or she screwed up by putting man on the planet and expecting the planet to survive uninterrupted. It's all very baffling, was man intentionally put here knowing full well, he'd act in his own selfish best interests.
Aha, so just let me clarify your position. You're saying that abortion should be excluded from personal responsibility because having a baby is the end result of getting pregnant, so if one gets pregnant one must be responsible and carry the baby to term. Is that right?
I'm trying to understand that argument. If I skipped a few steps, please fill me in.
yes
since it is a personal journey and we are responsible only for self, some people do choose that way...I personally feel that we are a part of a whole, if another hurts and we are capable of helping then I believe it is wise, prudent and best to do so.
If it is not in another's heart to help, it is because they are not there yet. I believe to remove the suffering of another is about the highest mark of our evolutionary journey/journies that there is. Those whom I have met on my journey who are highly evolved are the kindest, most helpful, and most at peace with themselves, they show little to no judgement and are slow to anger. They may also be of various belief systems or religions.
So you could make that case and it would not be wrong for each thing we do is a personal choice. That is why I think as Nick does, it is not up to me to make that personal choice for another, We all have our own path to walk and none may walk it for another. I know what is right for me and that comes only with careful weighing of each situation that I find myself in.
I do not believe I bash religon per se although it irritates me when I feel pressured by another to adhere to their system because their religion has some moral compass which I feel is not only wrong but is hateful or harmful to another's progress.
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No mine should not be in purple.
Petros' comment related to a consequence which was the result of (potential) irresponsibility.
Your logic excludes that very important element and eliminates the component that having a child (or risking the opportunity involved) is a major responsibility in and of itself.
If it is destiny, then it's destiny. Regardless of whether part of that fate involves the pressures or, described more accurately, the suggestions of groups (religious or otherwise) to do this or that.
I'm interpreting your argument as you wanting to drink from both sides of the cup here.
On one hand, it's destiny and on the other, it's a moral obligation of society to assume responsibility for the irresponsibility of others.