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[petros]

Why are men not included in this?

Men aren't the ones getting pregnant.

would that be the Christian thing to do? Shouldn't this have been in purple?


I am hoping he is joking.

What does Christian have to do with it? It's about preventing accidents, saving money and nobody gets fat.

I'm dead serious.

We don't let the irresponsible drive, take care of kids, police our streets, sit in our courts, manage our money, work in our industry and take care of our health do we?

 

[PoliticalNick]

Men aren't the ones getting pregnant.

Sure Pete, men have nothing to do with it...:roll:

We don't let the irresponsible drive, take care of kids, police our streets, sit in our courts, manage our money, work in our industry and take care of our health do we?

We prefer not to have the irresponsible do those things. Unfortunately irresponsibility and stupidity are far to prevalent in our society to guarantee we don't get those things in those positions.

 

[petros]

Sure Pete, men have nothing to do with it...:roll:

They don't. If they did, they'd have a say in the decision to keep it or kill it. If she keeps it and he doesn't want it, he's still on the hook.

This way there are no worries and guys don't get stuck with the financial burden, ruin their educations, live on the dole to make ends meet or get fat.

If you aren't responsible, why on earth should you be allowed to potentially raise children? Do the kids deserve that?

 

[PoliticalNick]

They don't. If they did, they'd have a say in the decision to keep it or kill it. If she keeps it and he doesn't want it, he's still on the hook.

This way there are no worries and guys don't get stuck with the financial burden, ruin their educations, live on the dole to make ends meet or get fat.

You could always wrap it up...

 

[petros]

Why? Let her get scraped. It's up to her. She has freedom and has no interest in being responsible.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Why? Let her get scraped. It's up to her. She has freedom and has no interest in being responsible.

I have always taught my boys that it is up to them to protect themselves from disease and 18 years of financial burden.

 

[petros]

Why should they be burdened by something they don't want? It was her choice to keep it. They should be able to just walk away scott free like women instead of facing responsibility.

Mandatory female contraceptives free both women and men of any responsibility, burdens or getting fat.

 

[BaalsTears]

It seems your changed your tune a little since you blurted out this:


Nope, but I think extremely few are performed just for that reason alone.
I don't know about sex selection, but as I pointed out from that link, women stated more than one reason for getting an abortion. Convenience may be one reason for a few, but for most it seems, having a career or education, being single, having problems with bfs or husbands, and not being able to afford kids add up together to be more than enough reason for me. I don't think anyone who doesn't want a kid goes about looking to have one. And I don't think people even want to have kids just so they can kill them before they are physically complete.

To refresh about reasons for abortion:
3/4 said having a kid would interfere with responsibilities
3/4 said they can't afford one
1/2 said they don't want to be a single parent

I'd suggest those 3 overlap somewhat. Add them to the 1/6 that cited medical reasons and the 1% that cited rape, and there isn't a whole lot left that choose abortion "solely" to avoid inconvenience.

Depends upon whose morals. Some people used to consider eating other people to be moral. Some other people consider beating their wives to be moral.

Canadians seem very uncomfortable talking about abstract morality in the context of abortion. So let me ask you this question instead...is it ever morally acceptable to take another creature's life as a matter of simple convenience? I'm not asking about street level circumstances that may or may not constitute convenience in your mind.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Canadians seem very uncomfortable talking about abstract morality in the context of abortion. So let me ask you this question instead...is it ever morally acceptable to take another creature's life as a matter of simple convenience? I'm not asking about street level circumstances that may or may not constitute convenience in your mind.

I do it all the time.

Yep, I sure goofed on that one, I should have said "a chance to continue living for 80-90 years". Sorry about that.-

No problem. OK, here's where the conflict comes in. Assuming that a fetus (or even an embryo) has the same right to life as a person, to what extent does a person (born or not-yet born) have the right to use another person's body for its sustenance, at considerable cost, trouble, and risk to that person?

(This assumes, of course, that pregnant women are people, which we have not yet demonstrated.)

 

[captain morgan]

I do it all the time.


No problem. OK, here's where the conflict comes in. Assuming that a fetus (or even an embryo) has the same right to life as a person, to what extent does a person (born or not-yet born) have the right to use another person's body for its sustenance, at considerable cost, trouble, and risk to that person?

(This assumes, of course, that pregnant women are people, which we have not yet demonstrated.)

... The fetus/embryo did not make the decision to 'exist' in the first place

 

[Machjo]

often the people who are against abortion are also against birth control

and social assistance for single mums

Unfortunately, your're right. They often also support illegal wars and oppose immigration from countries with much larger populations.

 

[captain morgan]

Canadians seem very uncomfortable talking about abstract morality in the context of abortion. So let me ask you this question instead...is it ever morally acceptable to take another creature's life as a matter of simple convenience? I'm not asking about street level circumstances that may or may not constitute convenience in your mind.

The reason that you won't get a finite answer on this question is based on the significant conflict that exists surrounding this issue. From a moral standpoint, one can not answer yes to one circumstance and no to another without engaging the conflict head-on

They often also support illegal wars and oppose immigration from countries with much larger populations.

You'll likely find that the opposition is based on the financial burden of having to support those populations in addition to other contentious issues that are being experienced by nations like France.

 

[Machjo]

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And that is why racial abortions are disproportionate.

Genocide is a woman's right to choose.

I oppose abortion too, but Sal did have a point. It's like: don't abort the baby, but once it's born, your on your own. If a baby has rights in the womb, then a child has rights outside the womb, including access to quality educaiotn regardless of the parents' right to pay. The community is responsible for its children.

 

[captain morgan]

The community is responsible for its children.

You've skipped a big step.... If a community is responsible for it's children and the community is comprised of individuals - it goes to reason that the individuals that comprise the community must assume individual responsibility as well.

That is the crux of this argument - individual responsibility

 

[Machjo]

And most are white males who have no vested interest in the woman's life.

No need to be racist.

 

[DaSleeper]

Interesting, that a few posts up some men were discussing male financial responsibility in a pregnancy. So it stands to reason that some men on the left would all for unfettered abortion....Could it be because it protects them from financial responsibility....? or are they talking out of both sides of their mouths?

 

[Cliffy]

The reason that you won't get a finite answer on this question is based on the significant conflict that exists surrounding this issue. From a moral standpoint, one can not answer yes to one circumstance and no to another without engaging the conflict head-on

Conflict comes from opposing views. One assumes that human life is sacred above all others, that it is more important, somehow more valued by god. My view is that none of that is true, that human life is only part of the whole, only a cog in the wheel. Taking the life of any living thing is equal in my eyes, and I give abortion no more importance than the cow that is killed for the steak I am going to eat tonight. Human self importance is the cause of most death and destruction on this planet. We have become a cancer on this living biosphere and one less little egotistical bugger screwing up this planet is a gawd send to every other life form on this planet. All of this destruction is based on the BS claim that we were created in the image of some imaginary god. The more I read the self righteous horse shyte in this thread, the more I think the extinction of this species can't come soon enough.

 

[petros]

Interesting, that a few posts up some men were discussing male financial responsibility in a pregnancy. So it stands to reason that some men on the left would all for unfettered abortion....Could it be because it protects them from financial responsibility....? or are they talking out of both sides of their mouths?

Take your stroke meds and the OCD of everybody being a leftie will subside. Cholinesterase issues are no joking matter.

 

[captain morgan]

Conflict comes from opposing views. One assumes that human life is sacred above all others, that it is more important, somehow more valued by god. My view is that none of that is true, that human life is only part of the whole, only a cog in the wheel. Taking the life of any living thing is equal in my eyes, and I give abortion no more importance than the cow that is killed for the steak I am going to eat tonight. Human self importance is the cause of most death and destruction on this planet. We have become a cancer on this living biosphere and one less little egotistical bugger screwing up this planet is a gawd send to every other life form on this planet. All of this destruction is based on the BS claim that we were created in the image of some imaginary god. The more I read the self righteous horse shyte in this thread, the more I think the extinction of this species can't come soon enough.

Interesting take on the issue and from my recollection, you are probably the only respondent that has tackled BT's question head-on with a direct answer.

One of the comments that I do find very interesting relates to the religious angle and what I interpreted as a contributing factor to the confusion, conflict, etc..... What is especially unique is that the folks that BT has been engaged with and/or carried on the debate with are all (to the best of my recollection) those that claim to have no religious affiliation at all.

In light of your comments, it doesn't appear to support the theory

 

[DaSleeper]

Take your stroke meds and the OCD of everybody being a leftie will subside. Cholinesterase issues are no joking matter.

People have made it a left/right issue long before I came along.....and your pseudo neutrality is a sham and so is your obsession.