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petros

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U.S. ponders $5.50 entry tax for Canadian air, marine travellers



OTTAWA — The Obama administration wants Canadians to pay to enter the United States to help ease that country's desperate financial crunch.



A proposed "passenger inspection" fee is outlined in the draft 2012 U.S. federal budget that has been sent to Congress. If adopted, the charge is expected to be levied against millions of commercial air and marine travellers from Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean, the only nations now exempt from the fee, and generate $110 million annually.



The fee would not apply to automobile traffic.



With about 16 million Canadians flying to the U.S. each year, a $5.50 head-tax would raise almost $90 million of the annual total and help pay for more beefed up U.S. border security.

The proposed tariff follows a 2009 U.S. entry law requiring Canadians to carry passports and dampens hopes that border issues would be less of a sore point under the new administration, especially as Prime Minister Stephen Harper and President Barack Obama met in Washington this month to seek a sweeping deal to establish a North American security and trade perimeter.



"It's an indication that the United States is going to be looking to generate new moneys to offset their budget deficit on outsiders who don't vote — and that would be us," said Birgit Matthiesen, of the Canadian Manufacturers & Exporters, Canada's largest trade and industry association. "The raising of any fees on the Canada-U.S. border is troubling."




Colin Robertson, a member of the team that negotiated the Free Trade Agreement with the U.S. and later helped implement the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), believes more U.S. cash grabs are coming.



"They will be looking everywhere to find money, so it wouldn't surprise me that our exemption is being lifted," said Robertson, a fellow of the Canadian Defence and Foreign Affairs Institute.




"Do I think we can succeed in pushing back? Probably not given the desperate financial situation the States is in. But, obviously, we should make our best efforts.



"This is one where we should make a joint cause with Mexico. The push back (also) has to come through the airline industry and though the travel agencies in the States."



Officials with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), which is proposing scrapping the fee exemption, did not respond to calls for comment. But an expert on Canada-U.S. relations advises Canadians not to jump to conclusions about the administration's attitude toward Canada.




"Don't worry that Obama is not your friend," said Christopher Sands, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute in Washington.



"We're in a fiscal mess and just about all agencies are looking for ways they can get a little more money, whatever it takes, so that the president doesn't get accused of a tax increase. It isn't necessarily intended for Canada," he added.




"If the fee is something Canadians really would find problematic, they ought to raise a ruckus, not necessarily beat the administration over the head with it, but make it clear to the (U.S.) business community that this would be an additional impediment on trade. If Congress (agrees to) the fee then . . . through some focused diplomacy . . . Harper can go to Obama and say, 'Before we ink this deal on a perimeter, I'd like to have you reconsider the fee'."




Under NAFTA, Canadians were hit with the same passenger inspection fee beginning in 1994, but were exempted in late 1997 at the insistence of a group of border-state congressmen who argued it was bad for cross-border commerce.



Sands suggests the U.S. passport law may have led to the proposed reimposition of the fee by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection service, part of DHS.




"Now (that) you've eliminated the documentary basis for treating this class of enterers differently, why not impose the fee on them like everybody else? You can see the logic of this coming out of," the bureaucracy, he said.




News of the proposed lifting of Canada's fee exemption comes as Canadian airlines, hoteliers and others in the tourism industry are urging the Harper government to eliminate the various taxes and fees charged on air travel, which they argue are raising fares and sending an increasing number of Canadians south of the border in search of cheaper flights.
© Copyright (c) The Ottawa Citizen






 
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Bar Sinister

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I have an idea - how about an export tax on every barrel of oil the US gets from Canada? That should even things up. Or even better how about Canadians deciding to vacation anywhere but the USA for the time the tax is in place? That ought to get rid of it in about two weeks.
 

Blackie

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i think canadian men should have to pay a poll tax when they enter america. :) and canadian women should have to pay an extraction tax when leaving america. :)
wtf???

Who pays for this?? United States Postal Services – cheap rates; prepaid shipping boxes that you don’t have to add postage to; postage prepaid mailing envelopes that are free… I could get up to 50 ‘postage prepaid international envelopes’ for free according to the USPS website;
My son, who is a Canadian citizen, cannot leave the US to come back to Canada while some kind of ‘paperwork’ is being done.. The US immigration/border security have put a block on his Canadian passport. How many others who are not US citizens are being ‘kept’ in the US for someone (government???) to have to pay for/support and who is ‘paying for/supporting’ them? They cannot work either. Why not send them back home till the 'paperwork' is completed'?? Surely these 2 examples also cost bucks.. Maybe not a lot for one person, but how many others???
This is only 2 examples, people there's got to be more.….
There is a lot more examples/situations.
 

Cannuck

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If I fly anywhere in the US, I usually drive down to Great Falls and fly from there so this doesn't affect me although an additional $5.50 on to the cost of a vacation or business trip wouldn't affect me either. The ones I feel for are the American people. A trillion dollar deficit and instead of getting serious about balancing the budget, their government thinks of silly stuff like this. Nero and a fiddle come to mind.
 

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Last summer, we flew out of Bangor, Maine (2.5 hr drive from here) to Arizona. Saved $500 per person as compared to flying Air Canada. It's amazing how much more expensive it is to fly in Canada.
 

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Last summer, we flew out of Bangor, Maine (2.5 hr drive from here) to Arizona. Saved $500 per person as compared to flying Air Canada. It's amazing how much more expensive it is to fly in Canada.

Not all that amazing, considering a smaller population to spread operating costs among. :smile:
 

mentalfloss

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What?

I'm not well travelled, but is it commonplace for countries to ask tourists to bail out their economy?
 

Unforgiven

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So don't go. If you have to go on business then the company picks up the tab for it anyway.
 

petros

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I know I know I know a bucket of movie corn costs more but I've never been forced to buy movie corn before I go to watch a show.

The TV show the USA isn't worth $5.50.

When will it be in the cheap theaters?
 

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I know I know I know a bucket of movie corn costs more but I've never been forced to buy movie corn before I go to watch a show.

The TV show the USA isn't worth $5.50.

When will it be in the cheap theaters?


Don't worry, the Chinese will be selling a bootleg / knockoff version soon.
 

Blackie

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"U.S. ponders $5.50 entry tax for Canadian air, marine travellers"
Now they're talking about a 'freight tax', a tax on Canadian freight heading south of the border.
 

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"U.S. ponders $5.50 entry tax for Canadian air, marine travellers"
Now they're talking about a 'freight tax', a tax on Canadian freight heading south of the border.
That is a two way street. They want to play hard ball? We can too, but first we would have to pull Harper's head out of the US butt to get him to respond.
 

Blackie

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"U.S. ponders $5.50 entry tax for Canadian air, marine travellers"

Now they're talking about a 'freight tax', a tax on Canadian freight heading south of the border.
The U.S. needs to figure out a way to get out of the hole it dug for itself, withought taxing the rest of the world for its stupidity

That is a two way street. They want to play hard ball? We can too, but first we would have to pull Harper's head out of the US butt to get him to respond.
Thought I heard them say something also about a tax on freight leaving the U.S. to come to Canada. But cannot find any mention of that yet.
 

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I have an idea - how about an export tax on every barrel of oil the US gets from Canada? That should even things up. Or even better how about Canadians deciding to vacation anywhere but the USA for the time the tax is in place? That ought to get rid of it in about two weeks.

Unfortunately if you want to go anywhere like Mexico, Cuba, South America, etc. and just flying through the US, they'll still ding you with the charge..... you already need to go through hoops if you're flying through the US and not actually staying in the US..... they'll pull the same stunt with this.

Just charge double the fee to any Americans traveling to Canada..... call it a "Passenger Inspection Exchange Rate Fee"

I think Canadian men should have to pay a poll tax when they enter America. :) And Canadian women should have to pay an extraction tax when leaving America. :)

And Americans should pay an idiot tax to help cover the loss of profit to businesses with their stupid complaints or questions, like "Wer's der snow?" when they bring their skis in the middle of August...... and then waste 20 minutes complaining and arguing that it should be snowing because it's Canada and they paid good money for their vacation.

Or when they pay for something in tourist spots with American money and get Canadian money back in change, then bitch and moan saying "Wut y'all's dis? Wut d'ya expect meh ta do wit dis? I's gave ya A'meric'n money, I's expect A'meric'n money back!"

No dip sh*t, that's how it works here and you should be damn glad we took your sh*tty green money as currency in the first place..... don't know what to do with your two loonies and a couple of quarters?

Go get some damn coffee.

...... Seriously, these stupid things happen as I've seen this first hand..... they people waste businesses good time they should be using for other customers and get more money..... thus Americans should pay an idiot tax to compensate, especially now when the US dollar is such crap in exchange.... it's just not worth it anymore.
 

JLM

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I think the key word here is "PONDERS" - Everyone spews some nonsense at sometime during a brain dead moment- I'm betting it will never come to reality. Let's forget about it for a couple of months and see what happens. I'll bet it's a "tempest in a teapot".
 

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I have an idea - how about an export tax on every barrel of oil the US gets from Canada? That should even things up. Or even better how about Canadians deciding to vacation anywhere but the USA for the time the tax is in place? That ought to get rid of it in about two weeks.


You can double it up with an environmental tax on the, ahhh, I forget what the US Senate committee called it, that's right - dirty oil.... Yeah, we can clean-it up for 'em and charge an additional $5-6 a bbl.

That on top of an inspection fee to ensure that there are no terrorists hiding in it will pay-off Canada's debt with 4 or 5 years.
 

petros

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You can double it up with an environmental tax on the, ahhh, I forget what the US Senate committee called it, that's right - dirty oil.... Yeah, we can clean-it up for 'em and charge an additional $5-6 a bbl.

That on top of an inspection fee to ensure that there are no terrorists hiding in it will pay-off Canada's debt with 4 or 5 years.
I'll wager $1000 the goofs in Senate have their personal money tied up in the Karroo Corridor or Majunga Basin.