i hate the recession

[SirJosephPorter]

At +44c you don't NEED air conditioning to survive, but the same
can't be said for heat at -44c now, can it?

I quite agree that you don’t need air conditioning to stay alive at 44 C. But my question was, can you imagine anybody in North American being without air conditioning at 44 C? The answer is, probably not. In North America we are not used to being inconvenienced. If we had temperatures of 44 C, probably almost everybody would have air conditioning and our carbon foot print would be very high.


For that matter, let us consider heating. We have lived in Britain. In Britain, they keep indoor temperatures much lower than we do here. People wear sweaters indoor. As a result, my guess is that their carbon foot print would be a lot lower than our carbon foot print, even when outside temperatures are comparable (January in Birmingham and March in Toronto, for instance).

The fact is, we don’t like inconvenience of any kind in North America, we are used to soft life. In no other part of the world do people have it so good. That is why our carbon footprint is the highest in the world, much bigger than people in India or China.

 

[In Between Man]

I've lived so far below the poverty line for over forty years that I didn't even notice a recession.

If you don't mind me asking, was this by choice or circumstance?

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Exactly,peeps like me who pay EI but cant get it dont show up as unemployed when not working,I also hear that some Albertans who went to work on the bay of fundy gas project were run out of town by the locals?

Any truth to this rumour?8O

I skimmed over a news article about the locals in, I think Fredricton, but I can't be sure, protested a company bringing in Albertans to work, (it was an Alberta company). It was a couple of weeks ago so I don't remember the nuts and bolts of it but yeah, they had to sent the Albertans home after the locals picketed the hotel they were staying at and blocked their busses. It's weird in the Maritimes, to be sure.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

The fact is, we don’t like inconvenience of any kind in North America, we are used to soft life. In no other part of the world do people have it so good. That is why our carbon footprint is the highest in the world, much bigger than people in India or China.

At minus 40 you have to work just to survive, at plus 40 you don't work, just to survive. The reason India is booming is that they now have a middle class who can afford air conditioning, and can contribute to the economy.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

I've been enjoying it since 1972. I may come out briefly when I hit 65 in a couple of years.

Jeez, you're a young pup yet, I thought you were older ;-).

 

[Machjo]

I skimmed over a news article about the locals in, I think Fredricton, but I can't be sure, protested a company bringing in Albertans to work, (it was an Alberta company). It was a couple of weeks ago so I don't remember the nuts and bolts of it but yeah, they had to sent the Albertans home after the locals picketed the hotel they were staying at and blocked their busses. It's weird in the Maritimes, to be sure.

Maybe it's time for provinces to get together and sign some kind of accord guaranteeing free movement of labour from coast to coast to coast;-)

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Maybe it's time for provinces to get together and sign some kind of accord guaranteeing free movement of labour from coast to coast to coast;-)

Yeah, that would be nice, but that's been worked on for decades and there've been very few agreements. My daughter has to move away for school and her other half is apprenticing as an electrician. To be together, they have to go to Alberta where at least his papers will be recognised here, they wouldn't be if he went to Ontario, (the only other closest place she can train for her chosen profession without having to speak French). Last I checked, pharmacists can't even transfer between Saskatchewan and Alberta, and they're friggin' next door to each other. It's nuts.

 

[Machjo]

Yeah, that would be nice, but that's been worked on for decades and there've been very few agreements. My daughter has to move away for school and her other half is apprenticing as an electrician. To be together, they have to go to Alberta where at least his papers will be recognised here, they wouldn't be if he went to Ontario, (the only other closest place she can train for her chosen profession without having to speak French). Last I checked, pharmacists can't even transfer between Saskatchewan and Alberta, and they're friggin' next door to each other. It's nuts.

I was reading awhile back that there is more collaboration between Ministries of Education in the EU than in Canada, and Canada is a country that's been around for well over a century already. For crying out loud, the Eu is still a baby in diapers compared to Canada, and they're already ahead of us. What's going on here?

 

[bobnoorduyn]

I was reading awhile back that there is more collaboration between Ministries of Education in the EU than in Canada, and Canada is a country that's been around for well over a century already. For crying out loud, the Eu is still a baby in diapers compared to Canada, and they're already ahead of us. What's going on here?

Umm, sorry Mach, it is us that is in diapers, the EU are a union of European nations that have been around for millenia, we've been around for just over a century. That doesn't mean that all they do is good, history proves that, but we should at least be able to get our own sh*t together to make this country work.

 

[Machjo]

Umm, sorry Mach, it is us that is in diapers, the EU are a union of European nations that have been around for millenia, we've been around for just over a century. That doesn't mean that all they do is good, history proves that, but we should at least be able to get our own sh*t together to make this country work.

I wasn't referring to their individual nations, but to the EU institutions. I was referring to the level of co-operation there is between national ministries of education at the Eu level compared to at the Canadian level. Canada is far older than the EU, and so we'd think we'd had more time to promote co-operation between our ministries of education than the EU has. And no, the EU is far from perfect. I'm just saying that when it comes to establishing common standards for trades and professions at the Eu level compared to the national level in Canada, they're well ahead of us on that front at least. As the post above mentioned, it's tough for a Canadian to have his credentials recognized from province to province. Even in the Eu, many such qualifications have been standardized already.

I remember reading that one obstacle is our constitution, surprisingly enough.

 

[YukonJack]

"The fact is, we don’t like inconvenience of any kind in North America, we are used to soft life. In no other part of the world do people have it so good. That is why our carbon footprint is the highest in the world, much bigger than people in India or China."

And for that we should feel GUILTY???

Are you serious?

The rest of the world is far older - politically - than the United States and Canada. They had opportunities to make a success of themselves for thousands of years, yet they came up short. America became the richest and most powerful in a fraction of time the rest of the world wasted, because the God given talent and ambition for better life was properly utilized. The rest of the world, even with the decades-old free-loading of American technology and money is just beginning to realize its potential.

If anyone should feel guilty, it should be those who finally beginning to realize that the life-style Americans achieved is not a fluke. They should feel guilty for being envious and for being tardy not to achive in thousands of years what America achieved in barely more than two-hunderd.

 

[internet13444]

I had also didn't liked recessions when they were happened in my country like 3 months before. Because of them sometimes economy goes low.

Simple interest calculator calculation rates mortgage compound high interest savings account​

 

[Liberalman]

Its called greed,thats what got us in this mess.Bloated government used to easy tax dollars suddenly has to find more coin so they rape the working man with more taxes.Then when they are hung out to dry and have no more money left the tax rev peeps will come ask for more.

Funny but I dont see the government cutting back but then again they are handing out the stimulis packages and thats like a retirement package and 5 year job security right there for most civil servants.:roll:[/quote
Your not wrong theyve no idea what its like recently there was a big debate over here about mps expences and what they could claim for when, it came to light some were claiming expenses for things that didnt even exist ,if that had been jo public theyd have been arrested for commiting a deception ,not them it was all brushed under the carpet .:roll:

“It’s called greed”

WOW what a statement but this does not only apply to the big banks, this applies to everybody even the people that bought the homes.

Everybody was greedy, because of rising house prices a lot of people were getting into it just to make money even the ones who could not afford it.

The prices of houses were doubling in a shorter period of time and that’s why the banks were lending to people with questionable ability to pay back the loan.

When you think about it interest rate is rent that you are paying until the principal is paid off.

In United States the bank gave choices to the sub-prime loans where one could pay principal and interest or just interest because banks make money on interest.

A high-level bank executive said many years ago that he would rather see people interest for a longer period of time.

I think mortgages amortizations started at 15 years then 25, 35,40 year terms were added.

If you were able to look at the true book value of what the banks actually lost which does not include future interest payments you would see the loss is minimal.

The only reason the banks are not proactive in selling the properties is because they are getting stimulus money from the government.

The government should have taken possession of all those sub-prime properties and hold them it would have been a lot less than paying the trillions of dollars of stimulus.

This would have been a perfect opportunity for governments to keep their promises on affordable housing.

One would think that President Obama, a left leaning politician would think of this.

Government could have set up public housing or lease to own housing or do what the Muslims do to get their housing.

The Muslims do not believe in paying interest so what they do is get a loan company to buy the house convert the value into units and the purchaser pays rent and buys the units as they save their money until the property is paid off, if they don’t buy units they just pay the rent until they can buy more units

The more units you buy the lesser rent you have to pay, this method protects the buyer from the all too evil interest fluctuations and when they bought all the units they own the house

The homeless wouldn’t be homeless and the poor wouldn’t have to deal with slum landlords.

This would make sense and if implemented properly and would make a lot of cents for the taxpayer.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

At minus 40 you have to work just to survive, at plus 40 you don't work, just to survive. The reason India is booming is that they now have a middle class who can afford air conditioning, and can contribute to the economy.

Not air conditioning Bob, most people in India still don’t have air conditioning. In fact, India cannot produce enough power to satisfy the basic needs of its population, most places in India have daily power outages for two or three hours every evening (when the demand is at its highest).Some of the richer population have emergency generator, so that they may have limited amount of power during the black outs. They call it load shedding.

We visited India two years ago, only the five star hotels have air conditioning there. Most of the small businesses don’t have air conditioning; big companies may have it in their head offices (where the top management resides).

India is into recycling big time, has been for thousand of years. There are people who sort through the garbage, sell what is recyclable, feed the organic waste to their animals (pigs etc.) and make a living that way. In spite of the recent progress, there is still appalling poverty and squalor over large parts of India.

Carbon foot print of India is still much smaller (per capita) than that of USA or Canada.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Yeah, that would be nice, but that's been worked on for decades and there've been very few agreements. My daughter has to move away for school and her other half is apprenticing as an electrician. To be together, they have to go to Alberta where at least his papers will be recognised here, they wouldn't be if he went to Ontario, (the only other closest place she can train for her chosen profession without having to speak French). Last I checked, pharmacists can't even transfer between Saskatchewan and Alberta, and they're friggin' next door to each other. It's nuts.

That is true for doctors as well, Bob. If my wife wants to practice in another province (other than Ontario) she may have to appear for some exams to get her license revalidated. They are trying to change that, so that a doctor who has license to practice in one province can practice in any province. But change is slow in coming.

 

[china]

Cliffy,

I've lived so far below the poverty line for over forty years that I didn't even notice a recession

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But I think Cliffy that you are a happy man and that's most important.

 

[Kakato]

But that is how a typical recovery works, kakato. The first to recover is the stock market. Investors have their eagle eyes on the companies, they are aware of the bottom line, the future prospects, what is coming down the pipe etc. When they see the future prospects brighten, they buy stocks and the stock market goes up.

Next, the economic indicators start to turn. Housing starts, durable goods, GDP etc show signs of improvement. As the bottom line of the companies improves, as the demand for good increases beyond their capacity, they hire more people. So unemployment is the last to recover.

We are in the second phase right now. Stock market recovered months ago, now other indicators are showing signs of improvement. I know the unemployment picture looks bleak at present. However, assuming it is an average recession, assuming it behaves normally (which is not guaranteed of course, there is a first time for everything); unemployment is expected to start improving 6 to 9 months from now.

But you are right, unless the unemployment picture improves, people won't feel that the recession is over.

well if unemployment isnt going to get better for 6 to 9 months I would say the recession is still on.Government stimulis money has done nothing for quick relief for peeps unless your an auto worker.

 

[YukonJack]

"Carbon foot print of India is still much smaller (per capita) than that of USA or Canada."

And the per capita footprint of the Canadian/American Sasquatch is still smaller than that of the Indian Abominable Snowman.

No less credible than the crap by the King of Hypocrites, Al Gore.

 

[Kakato]

China builds a new dirty coal fired power plant every week.You dont need buzz words like "carbon footprint" to know thay are the most polluting country in the world.
Just your eyes.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

"Carbon foot print of India is still much smaller (per capita) than that of USA or Canada."

And the per capita footprint of the Canadian/American Sasquatch is still smaller than that of the Indian Abominable Snowman.

No less credible than the crap by the King of Hypocrites, Al Gore.

You cannot argue with statistics, YJ. North Americans are the worst polluters in the world. They consume more resources (per capita) than anybody else, they pollute more than anybody else (per capita).

Now, it may be that your attitude towards rest of the world reflects your attitude towards blacks (let them go to Hell). But that does not change the statistics.