Hunt them all- More out there from other Wars that commited crimes against humanity.

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Still comes down to the former SS member did nothing wrong. He summarily executed a "non combatant". The "non combatant" falls under the laws of the detaining country.

Using that logic then the genocide of Jews, Homosexuals, Gypsies and others would also fall under that law.
 

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Outside or inside of Germany is not relevant under the laws of war.

In times of war the law falls silent. If the laws and diplomacy had worked there would not have been war. The whole concept of laws in war seems odd to me. If two powers at war are reasonable enough to agree to these things they should be reasonable enough to avoid war all together.

Still comes down to the former SS member did nothing wrong. He summarily executed a "non combatant". The "non combatant" falls under the laws of the detaining country.

Simply being in the SS would be a crime. They were treated differently from members of the Whermacht both during and after the war.

I can think of a few other wars that probably need to have the same standards applied.

Nearly every war.
 

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In times of war the law falls silent. If the laws and diplomacy had worked there would not have been war. The whole concept of laws in war seems odd to me. If two powers at war are reasonable enough to agree to these things they should be reasonable enough to avoid war all together.



Simply being in the SS would be a crime. They were treated differently from members of the Whermacht both during and after the war.

I can see your point but the Laws of War / Geneva Conventions do serve a purpose. Chemical weapons is an example.
Retaliation against a local population that were not involved in Partisan-Guerrilla attacks on that countries armed forces.
We saw during WW2 the Nazis used this tactic.

SS Medical Corps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Waffen SS were determined after the war to be illegal & criminal organization.
 

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I can see your point but the Laws of War / Geneva Conventions do serve a purpose. Chemical weapons is an example.
Retaliation against a local population that were not involved in Partisan-Guerrilla attacks on that countries armed forces.
We saw during WW2 the Nazis used this tactic.

SS Medical Corps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Waffen SS were determined after the war to be illegal & criminal organization.

Oh Im fine with charging this guy and anyone guilty of committing these acts. I just find it odd to expect powers to follow all of these rules during war. Even the allies at times let the laws slide from time to time but did not charge any of their own people with war crimes. I don't like the idea of 'victors justice.' Both sides should be held accountable, not just the losers.

International law is also meaningless if no one is going to enforce them. If what is said about chemical weapons being used in Syria is true and the international community does nothing - then that law means nothing. Just as it meant nothing when Iraq and Iran were at war. No one was ever held accountable for those incidents.
 

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Oh Im fine with charging this guy and anyone guilty of committing these acts. I just find it odd to expect powers to follow all of these rules during war. Even the allies at times let the laws slide from time to time but did not charge any of their own people with war crimes. I don't like the idea of 'victors justice.' Both sides should be held accountable, not just the losers.

International law is also meaningless if no one is going to enforce them. If what is said about chemical weapons being used in Syria is true and the international community does nothing - then that law means nothing. Just as it meant nothing when Iraq and Iran were at war. No one was ever held accountable for those incidents.

True- The Allies did indeed commit War Crimes.

Now Kenya is /may hold a vote to withdraw from the ICC due to their elected President and others having an ICC arrest warrant for crimes during the protests- killings in Kenya after an election.

Kenya's President.
Reputation of ICC On the Line in Case against Kenya President Kenyatta - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Kenya: Q&A on The ICC Trial of Kenya’s Deputy President | Human Rights Watch
The trial of Kenya’s deputy president, William Ruto, and his co-defendant, the radio broadcaster Joshua arap Sang, is scheduled to begin at the International Criminal Court (ICC) on September 10, 2013. A three-judge trial chamber sitting in The Hague will hear the case.

The men face crimes against humanity charges for their alleged roles in murders, deportation or forcible transfer of population, and persecution during Kenya’s 2007-2008 post-election violence. Ruto, who was a member of parliament at the time, will be the first senior Kenyan politician to stand trial for crimes committed during the violence.

“Kenya’s leaders broke their promises to hold national trials, which obliged the ICC to step in as a court of last resort,” said Elizabeth Evenson, senior international justice counsel at Human Rights Watch.


And my point is that there are plenty of War Criminals out there resting easy -
Indonesia is one. There is or will be a show where a reporter interviews those that committed mass murder.

Indonesian killings of 1965–66 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rwanda- Nope- Not who you think - Paul Kagame -

Kagame’s Mass Atrocities in Rwanda and the Congo | Global Research

Kagame criticized: Groups want Rwandan leader tried for war crimes | National Post

Paul Kagame - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Four Presidents seated on chairs: Joseph Kabila of the DRC, Thabo Mbeki of South Africa, George W. Bush of the USA and Paul Kagame of Rwanda; the four nations' flags are behind them, and Bush appears to be talking
Kagame (right) with Congolese President Joseph Kabila (left) at a peace summit with Thabo Mbeki, and George W. Bush in 2002

The Second Congo War, which began in 1998, was still raging when Kagame assumed the presidency in 2000. Namibia, Angola, Zimbabwe, and Chad had committed troops to the Congolese government side,[121] while Rwanda, Uganda, and Burundi were supporting rebel groups.[228] The rebel group Rally for Congolese Democracy (RCD) had split in 1999 into two factions: the RCD-Goma, supported by Rwanda, and the RCD-Kisangani, which was allied to Uganda.[229] Uganda also supported the Movement for the Liberation of the Congo (MLC), a rebel group from the north.[229] All these rebel groups were at war with Kabila's government in Kinshasa, but were also increasingly hostile to each other.[229] Various peace meetings had been held, culminating in the July 1999 Lusaka Ceasefire Agreement which was signed by Kabila, Kagame and all the other foreign governments.[230] The rebel groups were not party to the agreement, however, and fighting continued.[230] The RPA continued to be heavily involved in the Congo War through 2000, fighting battles against the Ugandan army in Kisangani and against Kabila's army in Kasai and Katanga.[231][2
 

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Wagging the holocaust eh Goober. When will Israeli war criminals pay for their crimes?

Nope.
From the OP.

Hunt them all- More out there from other Wars that committed crimes / atrocities against humanity.

We need more countries to make the case, if International Law permits, to lay charges.
If the law does not permit countries this avenue, then change the law.

Give them no rest, never knowing when that tap on the shoulder will come.
Offer rewards for their capture.

Please provide the list of Israeli war criminals.

Oh there are Israeli War Criminals.
This fellow is dead but...........
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Belgium rules Sharon can be tried
 

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Please provide the list of Israeli war criminals.

So in your mind a list of war crimes is required to prosecute the worlds leading exponent of murder and genocide. Israel is an alien occupation force and has been since the day it's foul feet touched the soil of free Palestine every breath since that day has been a crime of war. While you're considering that list you won't get keep in mind the tears shed over the end of that abominable collection of sewage won't fill a thimble.

Nope.
From the OP.

Hunt them all- More out there from other Wars that committed crimes / atrocities against humanity.

We need more countries to make the case, if International Law permits, to lay charges.
If the law does not permit countries this avenue, then change the law.

Give them no rest, never knowing when that tap on the shoulder will come.
Offer rewards for their capture.



Oh there are Israeli War Criminals.
This fellow is dead but...........
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Belgium rules Sharon can be tried

Oh how generous of you to offer a brain dead rotting psycopath to wheel before the magistrate. International law is a theory the west is very disinclined to adhere to seeing as how most of the elected would face the gallows not to mention the countless thousands of financiers, industrialists and educators. What you propose would bring down the western edifice in an afternoon. I'm afraid your idealizum will get you in trouble with that same crowd.
 

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70 years after the fact is a little late in the game to be chasing down war criminals. If we did catch one today he/she would be in their 90s and add the time taken to get to trial they'd more than likely be dead.
 

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So in your mind a list of war crimes is required to prosecute the worlds leading exponent of murder and genocide. Israel is an alien occupation force and has been since the day it's foul feet touched the soil of free Palestine every breath since that day has been a crime of war. While you're considering that list you won't get keep in mind the tears shed over the end of that abominable collection of sewage won't fill a thimble.



Oh how generous of you to offer a brain dead rotting psycopath to wheel before the magistrate. International law is a theory the west is very disinclined to adhere to seeing as how most of the elected would face the gallows not to mention the countless thousands of financiers, industrialists and educators. What you propose would bring down the western edifice in an afternoon. I'm afraid your idealizum will get you in trouble with that same crowd.
The range and depth of your ignorance of international law is truly impressive.
 

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The range and depth of your ignorance of international law is truly impressive.

Yer kind of late with your revelations about the range and depth of my ignorance. Ignorance is a sin I have confessed to about seven thousand times here in these hollowed pages. I will help you become comfortable with your own defishencys if you need a hand.
I bet you're not easily impressed eh. Sharpen your pencil sir.
 

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Using that logic then the genocide of Jews, Homosexuals, Gypsies and others would also fall under that law.


Really? Were the "jews, Homosexuals, and Gypsies" fighting the nazi's? Or were they just rounded up and killed? In this instance, we are talking about a resistance fighter being killed by a member of the German Army. No different than a member of the Canadian or American Armed forces killing a "resistance fighter" in Afghanistan. Difference is, one is a former nazi, and the others are "good guys".

Oh ya, and the reason I didn't answer before now, is because it was a stupid extension of what I said and followed no logical thread.
 

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Hunt them all- More out there from other Wars that committed crimes / atrocities against humanity.

We need more countries to make the case, if International Law permits, to lay charges.
If the law does not permit countries this avenue, then change the law.

Give them no rest, never knowing when that tap on the shoulder will come.
Offer rewards for their capture.

I get it. Doing odashous military attack against Syria is just going to kick up a hornets nest. Like how Bin Laden got nailed, it's time to subvert, which scares everyone in the wrong hands, except me, because I'm not. You wouldn't belive how many people belive and/or pretend they cannot recognize evil, unless they are. Ever notice how, in terms of action, its nearly impossible to tell the difference between dumb and evil?

My mind explodes with the numbers of ways to subvert all their operations, both on the rebel side and on the Assad side, both of whom can be tripped by Israeli involvement, so how do you thing it would work over the Middle East if this time for the first time Israel were to stay out?

Let's look at it in terms of Sung Suis, "The Art of War". They cannot see they are under attack when the enemy is invisible.
 
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Really? Were the "jews, Homosexuals, and Gypsies" fighting the nazi's? Or were they just rounded up and killed? In this instance, we are talking about a resistance fighter being killed by a member of the German Army. No different than a member of the Canadian or American Armed forces killing a "resistance fighter" in Afghanistan. Difference is, one is a former nazi, and the others are "good guys".
Depends on what the "resistance fighter" was doing. If he had surrendered, killing him was a war crime. You aren't allowed to shoot helpless enemies.

Which is kinda weird, since you're welcome to bomb them.
 

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You aren't allowed to shoot helpless enemies.

Which is kinda weird, since you're welcome to bomb them.

Ha. True. Generally those being bombed haven't surrendered though. Not that there is much opportunity when you are thousands of feet below your enemy and can't communicate with them.

70 years after the fact is a little late in the game to be chasing down war criminals. If we did catch one today he/she would be in their 90s and add the time taken to get to trial they'd more than likely be dead.

Better late than never. What makes a person murdered today any more important than a person murdered 70 years ago? Both are victims and deserve some form of justice.
 

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Ha. True. Generally those being bombed haven't surrendered though. Not that there is much opportunity when you are thousands of feet below your enemy and can't communicate with them.



Better late than never. What makes a person murdered today any more important than a person murdered 70 years ago? Both are victims and deserve some form of justice.

I realize it's the principle of the thing but resources are a consideration too, and resources mostly in short supply have to be directed to where there is a real chance of a timely conviction.
 

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I realize it's the principle of the thing but resources are a consideration too, and resources mostly in short supply have to be directed to where there is a real chance of a timely conviction.

I doubt there are many resources being used to hunt nazi war criminals. So long as there are some alive I see no problem with putting at least some effort into pursuing them. If they are still doing it in ten or twenty years when all of the suspects are dead then I will have a problem with it.