Humans decended from dinosaurs.

[Dexter Sinister]

I never expressed anything more than my doubts that what we see here, what and who we are, how everything in life (now there is something that you and your ilk never explained satisfactorily) works without a designer, and how it just came about helter-skelter.

That's fine, you're just doubting claims that science doesn't make anyway. What you're doubting are the straw man claims that people who don't understand science's claims invent about them. Natural selection, for instance, is the precise opposite of a helter-skelter random process. Really though, you should find out what the theory of evolution actually claims before doubting it.

Your designer doesn't explain anything either. You're trying to explain something you find complex and incomprehensible--what we see here, what and who we are, etc.--by postulating a designer who must be even more complex and incomprehensible, and then you have to explain where the designer came from, which you cannot do except by further postulating that he's always been here. And even if you can demonstrate that the designer exists, you're still left holding an empty bag until you can demonstrate that the designer must be the Christian deity you profess to believe in.

Actually I doubt you'll see this, I'm pretty sure you've got me on ignore after our previous little contretemps over your sloppy thinking, but I thought some others might be interested.

 

[hermite]

the Universe itself may be a living being with our solar system being just one atomic structure within its "body". .

This I find to be highly likely. What intrigues me the most is that after all these years, NO ONE KNOWS. Evidently it is beyond our tiny brains to comprehend. And it seems the tiniest brains clutch at straws to soothe their enormous egos. Just my observation.

 

[#juan]

Y.J. It is hardly "helter skelter". Evolution is beautiful in it's simplicity. Here is the way Darwin put it:

Darwin coined the term natural selection to describe the process by which organisms with favorable variations survive and reproduce at a higher rate. An inherited variation that increases an organism's chance of survival in a particular environment is called an adaptation. Over many generations, an adaptation could spread throughout the entire species. In this way, according to Darwin, evolution by natural selection would occur.

As an example Darwin noted that the ptarmigan turns white in winter. This color change, he inferred, helped protect it from predators, which would have a hard time spotting the bird in snow. Ptarmigans that didn't change color in winter would be spotted easily and eaten. In this way, Darwin implied, ptarmigans that turned white in winter would be more likely to survive, reproduce, and pass this adaptation to future generations.

Natural Selection

 

[Cliffy]

This I find to be highly likely. What intrigues me the most is that after all these years, NO ONE KNOWS. Evidently it is beyond our tiny brains to comprehend. And it seems the tiniest brains clutch at straws to soothe their enormous egos. Just my observation.

Enormous egos are a cover up for great insecurity. Humans invented a god that created it in its own image to feel self important in the face of its own insignificance. The infinite is incomprehensible to the finite mind. We are the Who that Horton heard, tiny beings on a spec of dust floating in a vast Universe.

 

[#juan]

Those ptarmigans sometimes got screwed by their adaptation. Some winters in northern B.C. we wouldn't get snow
until November and the ptarmigans had already turned white. You could walk up to them because normally they wouldn't
be seen and they just sat there so you could put your 22 in their ear. Four ptarmigans were dinner for four people.

 

[Cliffy]

Those ptarmigans sometimes got screwed by their adaptation. Some winters in northern B.C. we wouldn't get snow
until November and the ptarmigans had already turned white. You could walk up to them because normally they wouldn't
be seen and they just sat there so you could put your 22 in their ear. Four ptarmigans were dinner for four people.

Some evolutionary adaptations actually spelled the extinction of that species: Irish elk

 

[petros]

Whooping cranes....distinct line or just albino sandhill cranes?

 

[#juan]

Some evolutionary adaptations actually spelled the extinction of that species: Irish elk

That Irish Elk probably died out from carrying those antlers. They were massive.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

This I find to be highly likely.

I find that very curious. Why do you find it likely that the universe is a living being? I've never heard of any evidence that even hints at that.

 

[Cliffy]

I find that very curious. Why do you find it likely that the universe is a living being? I've never heard of any evidence that even hints at that.

If the Universe was a living being, its vastness would make it impossible for us to determine. If we view our solar system as an atomic structure and galaxies as like molecular structures, there is a possibility that the whole of the Universe could be a living being, that is if you use the atomic and molecular structures of the human body as a metaphor. In isolation, an atomic structure of a rock and a physical body are indistinguishable. In other words, looking at either one would not indicate if it came from a living being or an inert object.

 

[wired]

then the big bang theory, what is thought to be the creation of the universe, where energy was converted into mass and which indicates that the universe is still expanding is what exactly in relation to this "living being"?

 

[Cliffy]

then the big bang theory, what is thought to be the creation of the universe, where energy was converted into mass and which indicates that the universe is still expanding is what exactly in relation to this "living being"?

A brain fart? We are only messing with theories here because it is impossible to know any of this stuff for sure. I thought I would throw out something not too many people have heard before because the creationists vs evolutionists debate is getting really stale.

 

[JLM]

I'm not sure that ALL humans have descended from dinosaurs. :lol:

 

[petros]

In isolation, an atomic structure of a rock and a physical body are indistinguishable. In other words, looking at either one would not indicate if it came from a living being or an inert object.

Rocks are very specific and the structures unique.

 

[Cliffy]

I'm not sure that ALL humans have descended from dinosaurs. :lol:

Actually, if you want to get technical, we descended from amoebas.

 

[JLM]

Actually, if you want to get technical, we descended from amoebas.

I was thinking some stopped at the dinosaur stage (oops maybe I should speak for myself) :lol:

 

[Dexter Sinister]

If the Universe was a living being, its vastness would make it impossible for us to determine.

Quite apart from the obvious question of how you can possibly know that, that means it can't have any impact on us. If a living universe isn't detectably different from a non-living universe, the distinction doesn't matter at all and speculating about it is meaningless.

 

[Cliffy]

Quite apart from the obvious question of how you can possibly know that, that means it can't have any impact on us. If a living universe isn't detectably different from a non-living universe, the distinction doesn't matter at all and speculating about it is meaningless.

Well most of what we think we know about life/god/universe is speculation but it is good brain exercise.

 

[ironsides]

We cannot limit ourselves to belive in one universe, in addition, we would not be here if we lived in a dead universe. All universes that hold life are alive.

 

[Avro]

BTW, do you cry "OH DARWIN!!" when you come?

No, usually...."get on your knees and open your mouth"....or something along those lines.