Human foetus feels no pain before 24 weeks
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So let me get this straight. You think abortion is murder, so of course you want to make it illegal. And you want to make it punishable by life without parole for the doctor and the woman, and death penalty in USA for both.
Well, I must give you credit for honesty. That is how most prolifers feel, they want to lock women up for life. It is just that they shed crocodile tears and give the pretense of caring for the woman. The fact is, they don’t give a damn about the woman, they want to lock her up and throw away the key. All they are interested in is preserving the fetus, the woman can rot in prison for the rest of her life for all they care. Life begins at conception and ends at birth.
You have expressed what most prolifers really feel but are afraid to speak out for fear of public opinion. Thanks.
There is a sensible way of doing this- you don't just spring a murder charge and life in prison on anyone. It may be argued that certain abortions are in fact murder. So if a decision is made that that is what it is going to be then you set the implimentation date one year hence. That way everyone has a chance to weigh the situation and make up their own minds what they are going to do. Cool heads must prevail. :smile::smile:
It's terminating a pregnancy.
If you people don't want to have abortions, then don't have them.
I won't force you to have one, I promise.
In return, stay the **** out of my life.
Murder:
MurderIntentional homicide (the taking of another person’s life), without legal justification or provocation.
Where 'person' means:
PersonAn entity recognized by the law as separate and independent, with legal rights and existence including the ability to sue and be sued, to sign contracts, to receive gifts, to appear in court either by themselves or by lawyer and, generally, other powers incidental to the full expression of the entity in law.
MurderIntentional homicide (the taking of another person’s life), without legal justification or provocation.
Where 'person' means:
PersonAn entity recognized by the law as separate and independent, with legal rights and existence including the ability to sue and be sued, to sign contracts, to receive gifts, to appear in court either by themselves or by lawyer and, generally, other powers incidental to the full expression of the entity in law.
That is the oldest trick in the books of any religion. Declare something against nature, against God and then punish the nonbelievers (or believers for that matter) who don’t tow the line.
Thus at one time, it was considered to be against the wishes of God to try to alleviate the pains during the childbirth, church burned a doctor at the stake in Dark Ages for that offense.
Now, what could be more unnatural than murder? Define something as murder and people will automatically follow you, do your bidding (at least that is the logic by the Church). Church doesn’t need any scientific bases, any biological, medical basis for it. They have the biggest basis of all the Word of God (as revealed to the prolifers).
In short, opposition to abortion is just a trick used by the church to oppress the women (and men for that matter, when women are oppressed, I consider men to be oppressed as well).
Not to worry, Tenpenny. When prolifers control all the levers of power, they will declare fetus to be a person from the moment of conception, declare all abortions illegal and then carry out a nationwide hunt for any offenders. After all, murder is serious business, and no amount of resources must be spared to try to ferret out women who have backstreet abortions.
After all, prolifers do say that anti-abortion laws cannot be effectively enforced without an extensive network of spies covering the entire nation.
I guess we are getting the message that certain oppressions are taboo, while oppression by taxation is fine. :lol:
Weird attempts to paint anti-abortion arguments as some scheme by religions to deliberately oppress women does no one any credit. It makes one look every bit as crazy as people who feel free to kill doctors who perform abortions.
Many religions are anti-abortion because they pay lip service to the 'sanctity of life' (except for those who have committed certain crimes, or happen to be in a war), however, it's not because they're on a mission to oppress women and have determined that being anti-abortion will further this cause. Many people are well-meaning in their anti-abortion stance, but don't really have a grasp of what is involved in that sort of decision.
Many religions are anti-abortion because they pay lip service to the 'sanctity of life' (except for those who have committed certain crimes, or happen to be in a war), however, it's not because they're on a mission to oppress women and have determined that being anti-abortion will further this cause. Many people are well-meaning in their anti-abortion stance, but don't really have a grasp of what is involved in that sort of decision.
Religions have no mission to oppress women? Surely you jest. Look into any Holy Book, Bible, Koran, Vedas etc, you will find numerous quotes proclaiming the inferiority of women, and how they are happy and contented and best kept under the thumbs of men.
While you may be right in that opposition to abortion is not specifically based upon the mission to oppress women, it is part of the total philosophy which does oppress women. Like anti-abortion, woman’s place is at home, more children the better, opposition to contraception and so on. It is all part of the same anti-woman philosophy.
Are you familiar with the Titus 2 woman of the Bible? That is the ultimate caricature of an oppressed woman.
"To be self-controlled, chaste, homemakers, good-natured (kindhearted), adapting and subordinating themselves to their husbands, that the word of God may not be exposed to reproach (blasphemed or discredited)."
Why do you continually use five-hundred-year-old (+) examples to support opinions that are supposed to based on the here and now?
So....with respect to the very broad paint brush...are you saying that
ALL people that are in the Pro-Life camp are religious, and are only
in that camp due to religion? That's the only reason? No Atheists in
that foxhole?
Anyone who takes away a life is a murderer.
Sorry, but you are full of it.
You notice the continuous references to the death penalt in the U.S.A. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Any honest person would state "in parts of the U.S.A.", but as far as I'm aware the death penalty isn't in effect in ANY part of the U.S.A for abortion. But I guess you are dealing with such a person here that there is no point in making an issue out of it. :lol::lol: Of course this is the same guy who said all the young teenaged girls were going to start smoking because they saw a hockey player take a puff...............:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
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your theory states then 'that' you don't mind murdering in some cases, but hate murdering in others, for if
you state that you think it is murder, then that does not change with circumstances.
If a woman is have a child agianst her will....yes.
If a woman is to have a child that threatens her life...yes.
If a woman is to have a child born wiithout a brain...yes.
If a woman is to have a child that will be healthy but not wanted because it's inconvienent....no.
Abortion is not a form of birth control.
Killing should be done only for good reason, not for convenience sake. That feeling applies to animals, humans, and even plants, and is not based in my religion. A fetus might not feel it, but that doesn't make it worth destroying for invalid reasons. And make no mistakes, society has taught us a plethora of stupid things surrounding unplanned pregnancy.