How socialism turned oil-rich Venezuela into a basket case

tay

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I agree and I believe it. It is also an advocate for the progressive movement.
No it's not, The NY Times is a neo-liberal point of view and they can certainly be condescending to the Progressive movement.

They were also a cheerleader for the invasion of Iraq when they knew full well that Iraq was not responsible for 9/11.

Some of their articles on certain subjects can be read but must be taken with scrutiny....


As Venezuelans go to the polls this Sunday, the country faces a choice between deepening revolution and an elite-enforced rollback.

With little more than a nod to imperialism, global capital, or the brutality of the Venezuelan opposition, Gonzalez heaps blame on Maduro’s shoulders. Corruption thus appears as state policy with no mention of the private “briefcase companies” that simply took billions in government funds before disappearing into thin air. Empty shelves are left to speak the truth of a failed political project, with no mention of capitalist sabotage of production. And Gonzalez points cryptically to the murder of indigenous cacique Sabino Romero, while failing to mention that he was killed by wealthy landowners. The “gains of Chavismo” are indeed slipping away, but this does not absolve us from the task of explaining why.

Ultimately, for Gonzalez, Chavista elites and the bourgeoisie who have “happily colluded” with them are one and the same. But this leaves him unable to answer the most basic question of all: if they are the same, then why are they fighting a bloody battle in the streets? The answer is that, however imperfectly, the Maduro government still stands for the possibility of something radically different, as the many grassroots revolutionaries that continue to support the process can attest.

e should be clear about the stakes of the coming weeks and months: victory for the Right means austerity at best, and civil war at worst. We know this because we know exactly who they are: the opposition leadership is drawn from the most reactionary sectors of the old elites, and the masked youth in the streets — as I show in Building the Commune — are the fruit of a dangerous alliance with the forces of Latin American fascism under the leadership of Colombian death squad guru
Álvaro Uribe. Their return, which promises to reestablish the smooth functioning of capitalism, would only do so — as Marx insists that it always has — through the most brutally repressive means.

Of course, the opposition’s undemocratic aspirations come draped in the language of democracy. A recent opposition “consultation,” carried out entirely informally and without official support from the electoral council, spoke of defending the 1999 Constitution. Meanwhile, it tacitly asked the Armed Forces to take a side in the conflict by “supporting the decisions of the National Assembly” (one branch of government), and called for “the establishment of a government of national unity” through early elections — in clear violation of constitutional norms.

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https://jacobinmag.com/2017/07/venezuela-elections-chavez-maduro-bolivarianism
 

White_Unifier

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I wonder about that. Both Russian and China have made significant strides towards the capitalism end of the spectrum in the last couple of decades. I wonder what that has done for rank and file citizens. It's obvious that it has given rise to a new class of economic elite, but I have to wonder how much of that has trickled down so to speak.

Isn't it obvious that Venezuela's plight is the result of corruption and bad management as opposed to socialist philosophy? One needn't look any further that the Nordic countries to see successful examples of socialist governing. On a global scale, Canada is considered a socialist country by comparison. What aspects of Canadian government should we rid ourselves of in the name of moving to the political right?

Scandinavian countries are more social-corporatist than socialist. There are similarities between the two but social corporatism tries to achieve its goals within the constraints of market mechanisms.
 

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US Occupation of Venezuela Has Already Begun and Is Being Conducted by ExxonMobil

Exxon wants to topple Venezuela for geopolitical and geo-economic reasons

ExxonMobil awarded contracts to Guyana for infrastructure, drilling and storage with a view to extracting the huge oil and gas reserves from the so-called “Liza Project” located in maritime territory claimed by Venezuela as stipulated by the Geneva Agreement of 1966. In 2015 the first oil discovery in the area provoked a diplomatic conflict between the nations due to the activities of the oil company on the Atlantic front of the Essequibo river.

‘One of the Biggest Oil Discoveries in the Industry of the Last Decade’

According to Gulf Oil & Gas, Dutch oil holding company SBM Offshore NV has been granted a contract awarded by ExxonMobil, a U.S. company that owns 45 percent of the Stabroek Block located on the Atlantic front of the Essequibo through its subsidiary Esso Exploration and Production Guyana Limited Atlantic, where the rich deposits of Liza-1 and Liza-2 were found.

The CEO of the Dutch holding company Bruno Chabas commented on the contract, “We are proud that ExxonMobil has awarded the Liza contracts to SBM Offshore. Liza, the offshore field in Guyana, is one of the major oil discoveries in the industry over the past decade.”

However, this contract is not the first by ExxonMobil to accelerate its plans for oil and gas extraction in the territory claimed by Venezuela. In May, a subsidiary of the Italian oil company ENI named Saipem, took over the rights to carry out “the engineering, acquisition, construction, installation of associated bands, structures and bridges” to Liza-1, according to the World Oil website.
Recently teleSUR, citing the U.S. Geological Survey, informed that the area concentrated in the “Liza Project” is the second largest untapped oil fields in the world.

With this latest contract awarded, ExxonMobil seeks to produce 120,000 barrels of oil and 170 million cubic feet of natural gas, with a storage capacity of 1.6 million barrels of crude oil. In total, the Stabroek Block occupies an area of 26 thousand 800 km2 and it is estimated that 1.4 billion barrels of high-quality oil is deposited in the Liza-1 field alone.

In 2015, Rex Tillerson, the current U.S. Secretary of State and former general manager of ExxonMobil, commented with joy to his shareholders that this well (Liza-1) was the largest found anywhere in the world that year, thus giving a strategic character to future projects of the U.S. oil company.

Geopolitical Urgency

The priority of this U.S. oil company to topple Venezuela is geopolitical and geo-economic, as a fundamental pillar of a new political, economic and financial configuration of the continent (with Russia and China as alternative strategic partners), which poses a threat to the strategic advantages and the almost absolute control of the energy resources of the region that these corporations boasted throughout the 20th century. Securing that source of supply not only enabled it to carry out its arms race and military campaigns in the Middle East, but to maintain a global superpower status which is challenged today by emerging rivals.

In the demarcation reinforced by this second round of contracts in the Liza-1 and Liza-2 fields, there is an implicit interest in appropriating an energy corridor as an Exxon exclusive exploitation zone that runs from the Orinoco Oil Belt, through the Essequibo, reaching the mouth of its Atlantic front.

The details drawn into the plans of the oil company are not only energetic but also move to the political and diplomatic terrain, as the takeover of political power in Venezuela by extraconstitutional means would conclude in the appropriation of the other end of the corridor — the richest on earth if the reserves of the Orinoco Belt and those off the shore of the Essequibo and the Stabroek Block are added together. In the thick of it, Russian and Chinese oil companies (Rosneft and Cnooc) are ahead in investments and exploration projects that represent a serious threat to what the largest U.S. oil company sees as a strategic source of supply for their geopolitical global control plans.

Inescapable data. ExxonMobil’s awarding of contracts came just days after Venezuela and China signed four large-scale energy partnership projects, ranging from increased oil production to refining projects in the Asian giant.

The Coup Master

In an investigation presented by Mision Verdad a few weeks ago, ExxonMobil’s financing of Venezuelan opposition organizations to generate acts of violence was revealed, while at the same time diplomatic maneuvers were being carrying out by the U.S. State Department to revive the internal political conflict and to repudiate the Venezuelan government in international organizations such as the OAS.

The last meeting of foreign ministers of the OAS on Venezuela, prior to the organization’s general assembly in Mexico, served to illustrate how the oil corporation also manages the threads of the international siege against the country. The Guyanese government, subordinate to its investments and currently the chair of CARICOM, tried to impose a resolution not agreed upon by the Caribbean states and identical to the one presented by the U.S. at the last meeting, with the aim of condemning the Venezuelan National Constituent Assembly. The “red line” drawn by the U.S. to camouflage rounds of much more aggressive sanctions against the Bolivarian nation.

The Caribbean as a Strategic Objective

The Caribbean is a mix of the circumstantial and strategic. The need to overthrow Petrocaribe is not just a circumstantial calculation to break Venezuela’s alliance with the Caribbean and the support it receives against the diplomatic siege.

It is also run in parallel to the objectives of ExxonMobile, as the company tries to maneuver into Guayana and politically and economically reconfigure the Caribbean Basin to serve it purposes.

We have already mentioned that the U.S. oil company aims to make the Caribbean dependent on the United Sates both politically and in terms of energy by using its natural gas surplus (Exxon is a global leader producer and exporter), while at the same time lining up its batteries against Petrocaribe to regain geopolitical control of its key maritime and commercial position, placing a barrier to stop Chinese and Russian capital from investing in areas not only in the energy sector but also infrastructure and transport.

Changes to the energy sector over the last decade have displaced its core centers, both in supply and demand, to the Middle East, Central Asia and Eurasia, and its productive matrix toward the production of unconventional oil and gas (oil shale). Whoever insures this source of energy supply will undoubtedly have enormous geopolitical advantages to dictate the global rules of the game in the coming decades. According to a recent report of the Inter-American Development Bank, more than 70 percent of global oil and gas reserves are in the Atlantic basin.

ExxonMobil would undoubtedly be very pleased to achieve its plans and retake the Caribbean by overthrowing the Venezuelan government, the Petrocaribe pillar.

ExxonMobil’s strategy is long-term, directed at the entire continent and has Venezuela as its primary objective. It is not in vain that a crew of business elites has assumed the reins of U.S. foreign policy today. There and not elsewhere you will find the reasons for the aggressive siege we face.

US Occupation Has Already Begun and Is Being Conducted by ExxonMobil | Misión Verdad
 

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US Occupation of Venezuela Has Already Begun and Is Being Conducted by ExxonMobil

Was anyone really surprised that Tillerson got State ?

America looks out for America. Period.

The best outcome for the US is for Venezuela to self destruct for a few years.
 

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Socialism did that, did it?
Who are you asking?


If you are asking me, the answer is no. It is more evidence of how the Corporate World operates in getting what they want from a Country......


 

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It might be a good idea if one or two of you really looked at a more complete history of Venezuela. Looking at the policies of a single government in the nation's two hundred year history is like blaming all of the problems of the USA on a single president. Wait a minute. What am I thinking? A lot of CC members do just that.
 

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Now this is interesting........


Russia's biggest oil company has been helping Maduro stay afloat in Venezuela

As Caracas struggles to contain an economic meltdown and violent street protests, Moscow is using its position as Venezuela’s lender of last resort to gain more control over the OPEC nation’s crude reserves, the largest in the world.

Rosneft delivered Venezuela’s state-owned firm more than $1 billion in April alone in exchange for a promise of oil shipments later. On at least two occasions, the Venezuelan government has used Russian cash to avoid imminent defaults on payments to bondholders, a high-level PDVSA official told Reuters.

Rosneft has also positioned itself as a middleman in sales of Venezuelan oil to customers worldwide.

Much of it ends up at refineries in the United States – despite U.S. sanctions against Russia – because it is sold through intermediaries such as oil trading firms, according to internal PDVSA trade reports seen by Reuters and a source at the firm.

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Special Report: Vladimir's Venezuela - Leveraging loans to Caracas, Moscow snaps up oil assets | Reuters
 

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The Central Intelligence Agency has a century of conspiracy under its belt by now. To suggest that they do not conspire in any and all countries is childish crap that no one including you believes. How much do they pay you?
Pointless to talk to Sleepy. He is a permanent comma. His speech monitor is on "parrot".
 

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Pointless to talk to Sleepy. He is a permanent comma. His speech monitor is on "parrot".
That's laughable coming from someone who sees boogeymen around every corner and gets most of his information on Facebook :rolleyes:

You guys should work on your bullshyte filter.....
 

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Venezuela is a good example of what happens when their is no accountability.

Capitalism has enjoyed more success because of the inbuilt accountability it has naturally imbedded in its system.

Not to say it's perfect, but it is more competitive.

If you could devise a way to have the same accountability in a socialist system then you would enjoy relatively the same success. Like a co-op owned company owned by all its workers.



That stands to be repeated.


Note that in the case of Venezuela, the failure is in the corruption of the leader(s); similar things happen in capitalist places.
 

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The Central Intelligence Agency has a century of conspiracy under its belt by now. To suggest that they do not conspire in any and all countries is childish crap that no one including you believes. How much do they pay you?

CIA didn't put Chavez and then Maduro into power. Far from it.

DaSleeper is is right. You gotta be a little loopy to believe they did.
 

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The US have been doing everything in its power to de stabilize Venezuela for years now... Looks like it didn't work as intended.

Venezuela Just Officially Stopped Accepting Dollars for Oil Payments

Did the doomsday clock on the petrodollar (and implicitly US hegemony) just tick one more minute closer to midnight?
Apparently confirming what President Maduro had warned following the recent US sanctions, The Wall Street Journal reports that Venezuela has officially stopped accepting US Dollars as payment for its crude oil exports.
As we previously noted, Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro said last Thursday that Venezuela will be looking to “free” itself from the U.S. dollar next week. According to Reuters,
“Venezuela is going to implement a new system of international payments and will create a basket of currencies to free us from the dollar,” Maduro said in a multi-hour address to a new legislative “superbody.” He reportedly did not provide details of this new proposal.
Maduro hinted further that the South American country would look to using the yuan instead, among other currencies.
“If they pursue us with the dollar, we’ll use the Russian ruble, the yuan, yen, the Indian rupee, the euro,” Maduro also said.


Venezuela Just Officially Stopped Accepting Dollars for Oil Payments