Honour, my a s s
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No I didn't, I thought you had to be a member of the Barristers' Society to practice law. Besides that, the use and enforcement of sharia law is not a Charter right if it violates the laws of this land. Any judge who thinks it is is in no position to be a member of the judciary, in my opinion. The problem is that we operate under, historically, English Common Law, which is dynamic. We can certainly end up adopting sharia law as part of our own, a downfall of our system, democracy. That is harder to do in a republic where the law is the law, more of a stagnant system and harder for despots to change the rules of play as they see fit. But the earwig has found its hole, what happens when the eggs hatch probably won't be pretty, and we may live to see that day, or not.
Oh, boy. You have that right as rain. I'd say in about the same proportion as politicians practise politicking. Or abuse it rather. lol
You are talking about apples and coconuts. I was in our military for five years and nobody was forced to fly airplanes...In fact only about 8 to ten percent of us made it past the screening to get to train as a pilot and the training weeded out a few more.
Gerryh you keep posting these wacky replies that point out your ignorance. At least do some reading.:roll:
No honour here
Canadian-style multiculturalism not immune to deadly clashes
By MINDELLE JACOBS
28th July 2009
There are all sorts of reasons countries go to war. Protecting women isn't one of them. It's time we began that war -- a persistent social and psychological battle to save women's lives.
It seems that we've been naive in thinking that our Canadian-style multiculturalism would be immune to the sometimes deadly cultural clashes that other western nations have experienced.
We'd open our arms to newcomers and they'd seamlessly become happy, hyphenated Canadians. It hasn't always worked out that way.
The alleged murders of three young sisters, aged 19, 17 and 13, and their father's first wife - all immigrants from Afghanistan - have shocked Canadians because of the chilling circumstances alleged by police.
Several weeks after their bodies were recovered from a car that had mysteriously plunged into a Kingston-area lock, Mohammad Shafia, his second wife and their 18-year-old son have been charged with first-degree murder.
They are presumed innocent and their lawyer has indicated they will plead not guilty.
But the tragedy has renewed the debate over honour killing, whether it is cultural or religious and whether it is substantially different from more common domestic violence.
U.S. academic Phyllis Chesler maintains there's a distinct difference between honour killings and domestic violence in general.
She also believes it's wrong to assume that honour killings have nothing to do with Islam. Not all honour killings are perpetrated by Muslims but the overwhelming majority are, says Chesler, an emerita professor of psychology at City University of New York.
While honour killing may have originated in the pagan, pre-Islamist past, contemporary Islamist interpretations of religious law prevail, she noted in an article in the spring issue of the Middle East Quarterly.
In ordinary domestic violence involving westerners, it's rare for brothers to kill sisters or for male cousins to kill female cousins, Chesler points out. And it's very rare for western dads to kill teen daughters, she adds.
Think of the cases you've read about where parents have killed their children. Mothers typically kill infants -- usually because of depression or losing their temper. Fathers tend to kill their kids in a rage to get back at ex-wives.
And most of the victims are very young. In 2007, 21 children were killed by their parents in Canada. Fifteen of them were under 12. Only three kids aged 12 to 17 and three aged 18 and over were killed by their parents.
In contrast, in honour killings, the victims are typically in their late teens or older. And they are killed because they are believed to have dishonoured their families in some way.
Families kill their female relatives for such perceived slights as failing to cover their hair or acting too independently, writes Chesler.
And 90% of honour murders in the West are committed by Muslims against Muslims, according to her research.
It will be a huge challenge to educate the radical segments of certain immigrant groups that there's no such thing as "justifiable homicide," says Nawal Ammar, dean of criminology at the University of Ontario Institute of Technology in Oshawa.
"There will be people that you can't reach, But the idea is to reach as many as you can rather than not reach any at all," she says.
"There may be something about understanding the love of girls that we need to start talking about."
Canadian-style multiculturalism not immune to deadly clashes
By MINDELLE JACOBS
28th July 2009
There are all sorts of reasons countries go to war. Protecting women isn't one of them. It's time we began that war -- a persistent social and psychological battle to save women's lives.
It seems that we've been naive in thinking that our Canadian-style multiculturalism would be immune to the sometimes deadly cultural clashes that other western nations have experienced.
We'd open our arms to newcomers and they'd seamlessly become happy, hyphenated Canadians. It hasn't always worked out that way.
The alleged murders of three young sisters, aged 19, 17 and 13, and their father's first wife - all immigrants from Afghanistan - have shocked Canadians because of the chilling circumstances alleged by police.
Several weeks after their bodies were recovered from a car that had mysteriously plunged into a Kingston-area lock, Mohammad Shafia, his second wife and their 18-year-old son have been charged with first-degree murder.
They are presumed innocent and their lawyer has indicated they will plead not guilty.
But the tragedy has renewed the debate over honour killing, whether it is cultural or religious and whether it is substantially different from more common domestic violence.
U.S. academic Phyllis Chesler maintains there's a distinct difference between honour killings and domestic violence in general.
She also believes it's wrong to assume that honour killings have nothing to do with Islam. Not all honour killings are perpetrated by Muslims but the overwhelming majority are, says Chesler, an emerita professor of psychology at City University of New York.
While honour killing may have originated in the pagan, pre-Islamist past, contemporary Islamist interpretations of religious law prevail, she noted in an article in the spring issue of the Middle East Quarterly.
In ordinary domestic violence involving westerners, it's rare for brothers to kill sisters or for male cousins to kill female cousins, Chesler points out. And it's very rare for western dads to kill teen daughters, she adds.
Think of the cases you've read about where parents have killed their children. Mothers typically kill infants -- usually because of depression or losing their temper. Fathers tend to kill their kids in a rage to get back at ex-wives.
And most of the victims are very young. In 2007, 21 children were killed by their parents in Canada. Fifteen of them were under 12. Only three kids aged 12 to 17 and three aged 18 and over were killed by their parents.
In contrast, in honour killings, the victims are typically in their late teens or older. And they are killed because they are believed to have dishonoured their families in some way.
Families kill their female relatives for such perceived slights as failing to cover their hair or acting too independently, writes Chesler.
And 90% of honour murders in the West are committed by Muslims against Muslims, according to her research.
It will be a huge challenge to educate the radical segments of certain immigrant groups that there's no such thing as "justifiable homicide," says Nawal Ammar, dean of criminology at the University of Ontario Institute of Technology in Oshawa.
"There will be people that you can't reach, But the idea is to reach as many as you can rather than not reach any at all," she says.
"There may be something about understanding the love of girls that we need to start talking about."
White feminists in Canada don't write about abuses of women in other countries because they are ignorant and have no idea of culture. Their view of the world ends in the US. they support capitalism because it gives them good jobs and see nothing but opportunity ahead.
Really, worrying about the little brown people and their barbaric practices is just beneath them. What more needs to be said about them? Why waste your time? These are backward people! Eventually they will all be gone. Just ignore them and they will go away. In the meantime just act polite.
Really, worrying about the little brown people and their barbaric practices is just beneath them. What more needs to be said about them? Why waste your time? These are backward people! Eventually they will all be gone. Just ignore them and they will go away. In the meantime just act polite.
Canada has become so suffocatingly politically correct
No honour in murder
By Beryl Wajsman Sunday, August 2, 2009
We need to take a step back and think about the use of the term “honour killings”. It has been much in the news of late as the horror of the deaths of the Shafia sisters sinks in.
On the one hand, the term gives a perverse cultural frame of reference for an act that can have no justification. On the other , since it is invariably used in reference to Islam, it denigrates a faith. Nothing in Islam justifies murder for the sake of a family’s “honour.”
According to the United Nations, there are about 5,000 honour killings a year world wide. They encompass a variety of cultural and religious societies. And if we seem to see more attention focused on those cases from Muslim countries, it has little to do with mainstream Islam and everything to do with fanatics who have perverted purpose and principle. People who kill, maim or injure their relatives or children for the sake of perceived “honour” are simply cultural retrogrades from whatever ethnic or cultural group they come from. They are sociopaths.
But there is another injury done to our national psyche in the use of this phrase. Whether or not the allegations against the Shafias are true, Canada has become so suffocatingly politically correct, that one can imagine apologias being written about the need for mercy and “understanding” in cases of culturally-driven murder. After all, some of our more morally relativist academics would argue, even murder must be viewed in context. Every culture’s right to be wrong and all that. That is a dangerous mindset and it has sadly taken hold in this country in many other issues.
We as a society must decide what we are for as much as what we are against. Perhaps that was one great failing of the Bouchard-Taylor Commission. Its report did not speak to the issue of what we are for. For without that, amidst all the polite suggestions and painstaking political correctness, we are constantly left with the gnawing impression that we have lost our pride and our moral compass. That we accommodate ourselves not to reason but to fear.
We as a people need to be proud of what we are. And there is no shame in demanding that despite multiculturalism, newcomers accept a free lay society. And for our relativist academics and politicians, we would suggest they remember the words of a great visionary that come down to us through the mists of time. He was the only politician to be assassinated in our history. His name was Thomas D’Arcy McGee. In 1865 he spoke these immortal words in Quebec City: “There is room in this Northern Dominion—under one flag and one set of laws—for one great people. There is no possibility for that greatness—under that same flag and those same laws—if we succumb to a hundred squabbling particularities.”
For the problems of perception, as Bouchard-Taylor stated, rest not just with new citizens who hold greater fidelity to the traditions and laws of their home countries and cultures, but also with ourselves who remain wedded to false notions of equivalency. Just as there is no honour in murder, there is no shame in pride.
No honour in murder
By Beryl Wajsman Sunday, August 2, 2009
We need to take a step back and think about the use of the term “honour killings”. It has been much in the news of late as the horror of the deaths of the Shafia sisters sinks in.
On the one hand, the term gives a perverse cultural frame of reference for an act that can have no justification. On the other , since it is invariably used in reference to Islam, it denigrates a faith. Nothing in Islam justifies murder for the sake of a family’s “honour.”
According to the United Nations, there are about 5,000 honour killings a year world wide. They encompass a variety of cultural and religious societies. And if we seem to see more attention focused on those cases from Muslim countries, it has little to do with mainstream Islam and everything to do with fanatics who have perverted purpose and principle. People who kill, maim or injure their relatives or children for the sake of perceived “honour” are simply cultural retrogrades from whatever ethnic or cultural group they come from. They are sociopaths.
But there is another injury done to our national psyche in the use of this phrase. Whether or not the allegations against the Shafias are true, Canada has become so suffocatingly politically correct, that one can imagine apologias being written about the need for mercy and “understanding” in cases of culturally-driven murder. After all, some of our more morally relativist academics would argue, even murder must be viewed in context. Every culture’s right to be wrong and all that. That is a dangerous mindset and it has sadly taken hold in this country in many other issues.
We as a society must decide what we are for as much as what we are against. Perhaps that was one great failing of the Bouchard-Taylor Commission. Its report did not speak to the issue of what we are for. For without that, amidst all the polite suggestions and painstaking political correctness, we are constantly left with the gnawing impression that we have lost our pride and our moral compass. That we accommodate ourselves not to reason but to fear.
We as a people need to be proud of what we are. And there is no shame in demanding that despite multiculturalism, newcomers accept a free lay society. And for our relativist academics and politicians, we would suggest they remember the words of a great visionary that come down to us through the mists of time. He was the only politician to be assassinated in our history. His name was Thomas D’Arcy McGee. In 1865 he spoke these immortal words in Quebec City: “There is room in this Northern Dominion—under one flag and one set of laws—for one great people. There is no possibility for that greatness—under that same flag and those same laws—if we succumb to a hundred squabbling particularities.”
For the problems of perception, as Bouchard-Taylor stated, rest not just with new citizens who hold greater fidelity to the traditions and laws of their home countries and cultures, but also with ourselves who remain wedded to false notions of equivalency. Just as there is no honour in murder, there is no shame in pride.
Murderous Shafias rightfully fail in appeal of four convictions
By Michele Mandel, Toronto Sun
First posted: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 12:26 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 07:16 PM EDT
TORONTO - It’s enraging that the three Shafia killers who so rejected Canadian values have wasted Canadian taxpayers’ money in a Canadian court to fight their appeal.
And yet how remarkably satisfying it is that the Ontario Court of Appeal has so unanimously rejected the trio’s lying attempts to escape their just punishment for the horrific honour killings of their own kin.
Despite their claims, it was not cultural stereotyping that convicted Mohammad Shafia, wife Tooba Yahya, and precious first-born son Hamed of murdering three teenage sisters and their “aunt.” Nor was there any mix-up about Hamed’s age — he was an adult at the time, not a youth, and was rightly tried as such.
Ontario’s highest court roundly dismissed all five grounds of appeal to undo their 2012 convictions on four counts each of first-degree murder. As Justice David Watt wrote with some understatement, “Charitably put, the evidence of guilt was overwhelming.”
Shafia’s daughters — Zainab, 19, Sahar, 17, and Geeti, 13 — and Rona Amir Mohammad, his infertile first wife in his polygamous marriage, were killed for daring to reject their patriarch’s backward ways, for daring to be too Canadian. “*****s,” Mohammad called them. “Honourless girls.”
But he brought them all to this country and here, Canadian justice means there is no honour in murder.
On the morning of June 30, 2009, a newly purchased Nissan Sentra registered to Shafia was discovered submerged in the Rideau Canal — inside floated the lifeless bodies of the four women. All had drowned, three had bruising on their heads. As Watt noted in a chilling assessment: “To drown someone by holding their head under water would likely take two to three minutes. About 15 minutes would be required to drown four people to unconsciousness, one after the other.”
And they did this up close. To their own.
The surviving family members told a ridiculous story — that they’d been at a Kingston motel on their way home to Montreal from Niagara Falls when they must have taken off in the middle of the night on a fatal “joyride.” Wiretaps later installed by police in the family’s van disclosed what really happened: An angry father was bent on punishing his daughters for disobeying him.
“Even if they come back to life a hundred times, if I have cleaver in my hand, I will cut (them) in pieces,” he said in a recording three weeks after the murders.
In another intercepted conversation with his wife and son, Shafia declared, “Let’s leave our destiny to God and may God never make me, you or your mother honourless. I don’t accept this dishonour.”
At their appeal, Hamed tried to introduce “fresh evidence” of newly-discovered documents from Afghanistan purporting to show he was really 17 at the time of the murders and should have been tried separately in a youth court. But all official papers showed his birthdate in 1990, not 1991, and his own lawyer at trial never raised the age issue. As for the tazkira, the “new” identity card, the appeal court found it “inherently suspect.”
“I am satisfied that when the deceased were killed, Hamed was not a ‘young person,’” Watt said on behalf of the three-judge appeal panel. “He was an adult, properly joined with his parents in a joint trial.”
The three also complained evidence about honour killings by Crown expert Dr. Shazrad Mojab “invited dangerous cultural stereotyping.”
The irony, of course, is that the concept of honour was first introduced by the murderer himself, not the expert.
“The notion of honour and of killing another person motivated by besmirched honour originated with Shafia, not with Dr. Mojab,” wrote Watt. “Recall Shafia’s diatribe about the importance of honour and how he, they (Hamed and Tooba), their culture and their religion had been dishonoured by the conduct of the deceased, especially Zainab.”
The court dismissed every ground of appeal they tried. These three will continue to rot in the prison they deserve for at least the next two decades.
“Even if they hoist me up onto the gallows,” Shafia had declared, “nothing is more dear to me than my honour.” Let that precious “honour” console them now.
mmandel@postmedia.com
Murderous Shafias rightfully fail in appeal of four convictions | Mandel | Ontar
By Michele Mandel, Toronto Sun
First posted: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 12:26 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 07:16 PM EDT
TORONTO - It’s enraging that the three Shafia killers who so rejected Canadian values have wasted Canadian taxpayers’ money in a Canadian court to fight their appeal.
And yet how remarkably satisfying it is that the Ontario Court of Appeal has so unanimously rejected the trio’s lying attempts to escape their just punishment for the horrific honour killings of their own kin.
Despite their claims, it was not cultural stereotyping that convicted Mohammad Shafia, wife Tooba Yahya, and precious first-born son Hamed of murdering three teenage sisters and their “aunt.” Nor was there any mix-up about Hamed’s age — he was an adult at the time, not a youth, and was rightly tried as such.
Ontario’s highest court roundly dismissed all five grounds of appeal to undo their 2012 convictions on four counts each of first-degree murder. As Justice David Watt wrote with some understatement, “Charitably put, the evidence of guilt was overwhelming.”
Shafia’s daughters — Zainab, 19, Sahar, 17, and Geeti, 13 — and Rona Amir Mohammad, his infertile first wife in his polygamous marriage, were killed for daring to reject their patriarch’s backward ways, for daring to be too Canadian. “*****s,” Mohammad called them. “Honourless girls.”
But he brought them all to this country and here, Canadian justice means there is no honour in murder.
On the morning of June 30, 2009, a newly purchased Nissan Sentra registered to Shafia was discovered submerged in the Rideau Canal — inside floated the lifeless bodies of the four women. All had drowned, three had bruising on their heads. As Watt noted in a chilling assessment: “To drown someone by holding their head under water would likely take two to three minutes. About 15 minutes would be required to drown four people to unconsciousness, one after the other.”
And they did this up close. To their own.
The surviving family members told a ridiculous story — that they’d been at a Kingston motel on their way home to Montreal from Niagara Falls when they must have taken off in the middle of the night on a fatal “joyride.” Wiretaps later installed by police in the family’s van disclosed what really happened: An angry father was bent on punishing his daughters for disobeying him.
“Even if they come back to life a hundred times, if I have cleaver in my hand, I will cut (them) in pieces,” he said in a recording three weeks after the murders.
In another intercepted conversation with his wife and son, Shafia declared, “Let’s leave our destiny to God and may God never make me, you or your mother honourless. I don’t accept this dishonour.”
At their appeal, Hamed tried to introduce “fresh evidence” of newly-discovered documents from Afghanistan purporting to show he was really 17 at the time of the murders and should have been tried separately in a youth court. But all official papers showed his birthdate in 1990, not 1991, and his own lawyer at trial never raised the age issue. As for the tazkira, the “new” identity card, the appeal court found it “inherently suspect.”
“I am satisfied that when the deceased were killed, Hamed was not a ‘young person,’” Watt said on behalf of the three-judge appeal panel. “He was an adult, properly joined with his parents in a joint trial.”
The three also complained evidence about honour killings by Crown expert Dr. Shazrad Mojab “invited dangerous cultural stereotyping.”
The irony, of course, is that the concept of honour was first introduced by the murderer himself, not the expert.
“The notion of honour and of killing another person motivated by besmirched honour originated with Shafia, not with Dr. Mojab,” wrote Watt. “Recall Shafia’s diatribe about the importance of honour and how he, they (Hamed and Tooba), their culture and their religion had been dishonoured by the conduct of the deceased, especially Zainab.”
The court dismissed every ground of appeal they tried. These three will continue to rot in the prison they deserve for at least the next two decades.
“Even if they hoist me up onto the gallows,” Shafia had declared, “nothing is more dear to me than my honour.” Let that precious “honour” console them now.
mmandel@postmedia.com
Murderous Shafias rightfully fail in appeal of four convictions | Mandel | Ontar
Mother convicted in Shafia family 'honour killing' ordered deported from Canada
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March 15, 2018
Updated:
March 15, 2018 5:04 PM EDT
Mohammad Shafia (left), his wife Tooba Mohammad Yahya and their son Hamed arrive for court in Kingston on December 12 2011.Ian MacAlpine / Kingston Whig-Standard/Postmedia Network
MONTREAL — A woman found guilty of murdering her three daughters in a so-called honour killing was stripped of her permanent residency Thursday and ordered deported from the country.
But the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada’s expulsion order for Tooba Yahya will be executed only when she is released from a Quebec prison, her lawyer, Stephane Handfield, said in an interview.
Yahya, husband Mohammad Shafia and their son, Hamed, were each found guilty in 2012 on four counts of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole for 25 years.
Sahar Shafia, 15, Rona Amir Mohammad, 52, Zainab Shafia, 17 and Geeti Shafia, 13. (Handout)
The bodies of sisters Zainab, 19, Sahar, 17, and Geeti, 13, and Rona Amir Mohammad, 52, Mohammad Shafia’s childless first wife in a polygamous marriage, were found in June 2009 in a car submerged in a canal in Kingston, Ont.
The Crown argued at trial the women were murdered because they refused to abide by the family’s rules.
Court heard that notions of honour, directly tied to women’s sexuality and general control over their behaviour, led the Shafias to kill in an effort to cleanse them of the shame they perceived their daughters to have brought upon them.
The family was originally from Afghanistan and lived in Montreal.
In a frame grab from a police interview video Tooba Mohammad Yahya cries on July 22 2009 after a police officer shows her a family photo album featuring photos of three of her daughters who were found dead in a submerged carat the Kingston Mills Locks on June 30, 2009. (Ian MacAlpine/Kingston Whig-Standard/Postmedia Network)
Handfield said the order to deport Yahya was recently requested by the Canada Border Services Agency.
“Why now? Why not before or later? I don’t know,” he said about the agency’s motives.
While Yahya is now without status in a Quebec prison, Handfield said nothing should change regarding her rights or conditions in detention.
“She’s never complained to me about her conditions in prison,” he said.
The Crown theory was that Shafia, Yahya and their son drowned the four victims either to the point of death or unconsciousness, placed their bodies in the car, then pushed it into the canal using the family’s other vehicle.
Prosecutors, however, couldn’t prove how or where the pre-drowning happened.
The Nissan Sentra, that contained the bodies of four Montreal women, is hoisted out of the Rideau Canal at Kingston Mills, Kingston, Ont. (Handout/Kingston Police)
The family has been behind bars since their arrests on July 22, 2009.
Handfield said because Yahya isn’t a Canadian citizen and due to the first-degree murder conviction, she has no right under Canadian immigration law to appeal her deportation order.
“The country’s immigration laws could change between now and when she gets out,” Handfield said.
“We’ll have to see what is open to her when she is liberated.”
Mother in Shafia family ‘honour killing’ ordered deported from Canada | Toronto Sun
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Published:
March 15, 2018
Updated:
March 15, 2018 5:04 PM EDT
Mohammad Shafia (left), his wife Tooba Mohammad Yahya and their son Hamed arrive for court in Kingston on December 12 2011.Ian MacAlpine / Kingston Whig-Standard/Postmedia Network
MONTREAL — A woman found guilty of murdering her three daughters in a so-called honour killing was stripped of her permanent residency Thursday and ordered deported from the country.
But the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada’s expulsion order for Tooba Yahya will be executed only when she is released from a Quebec prison, her lawyer, Stephane Handfield, said in an interview.
Yahya, husband Mohammad Shafia and their son, Hamed, were each found guilty in 2012 on four counts of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole for 25 years.
Sahar Shafia, 15, Rona Amir Mohammad, 52, Zainab Shafia, 17 and Geeti Shafia, 13. (Handout)
The bodies of sisters Zainab, 19, Sahar, 17, and Geeti, 13, and Rona Amir Mohammad, 52, Mohammad Shafia’s childless first wife in a polygamous marriage, were found in June 2009 in a car submerged in a canal in Kingston, Ont.
The Crown argued at trial the women were murdered because they refused to abide by the family’s rules.
Court heard that notions of honour, directly tied to women’s sexuality and general control over their behaviour, led the Shafias to kill in an effort to cleanse them of the shame they perceived their daughters to have brought upon them.
The family was originally from Afghanistan and lived in Montreal.
In a frame grab from a police interview video Tooba Mohammad Yahya cries on July 22 2009 after a police officer shows her a family photo album featuring photos of three of her daughters who were found dead in a submerged carat the Kingston Mills Locks on June 30, 2009. (Ian MacAlpine/Kingston Whig-Standard/Postmedia Network)
Handfield said the order to deport Yahya was recently requested by the Canada Border Services Agency.
“Why now? Why not before or later? I don’t know,” he said about the agency’s motives.
While Yahya is now without status in a Quebec prison, Handfield said nothing should change regarding her rights or conditions in detention.
“She’s never complained to me about her conditions in prison,” he said.
The Crown theory was that Shafia, Yahya and their son drowned the four victims either to the point of death or unconsciousness, placed their bodies in the car, then pushed it into the canal using the family’s other vehicle.
Prosecutors, however, couldn’t prove how or where the pre-drowning happened.
The Nissan Sentra, that contained the bodies of four Montreal women, is hoisted out of the Rideau Canal at Kingston Mills, Kingston, Ont. (Handout/Kingston Police)
The family has been behind bars since their arrests on July 22, 2009.
Handfield said because Yahya isn’t a Canadian citizen and due to the first-degree murder conviction, she has no right under Canadian immigration law to appeal her deportation order.
“The country’s immigration laws could change between now and when she gets out,” Handfield said.
“We’ll have to see what is open to her when she is liberated.”
Mother in Shafia family ‘honour killing’ ordered deported from Canada | Toronto Sun
Good on you for finding the original thread, nice way to tie the whole story together. :thumbup:
If the Liberals are in power for a significant period of time with his "ladyness" as head honcho, I doubt if she'll be deported; instead he'll likely give her all kinds of $$ because she was mistreated in our Canadian prison and is in dire need of assistance with learning how to cope in this mean, ugly, bigoted, racist country. She'll likely do well under his administration - better than any of us, that's for sure.
JMHO
JMHO
