Hillary Clinton SNAPS!

[Machjo]

Well then, I think it is time to change their basic meaning. And what is the basic meaning of liberalism anyway? Where does it say that liberalism means running huge deficits? That is more conservative propaganda.

A more realistic definition of the word ‘conservative’ would be “borrow and spend, lavish tax cuts and above all, never increase taxes, unlimited borrowing is OK”. A more realistic definition of a liberal (and I consider myself a liberal, not necessarily a Liberal) would be, “do whatever is needed to fix the economy, fix the deficit. If necessary, raise taxes (yes, even on the rich), if necessary cut spending.”

A conservative conserves; a liberal liberates.

 

[Tonington]

I think Ole Hillary should start realizing that without Bill she'd be nuthin'.

Have you read her bio before? She was a something before she met Bill, and was going to be a something with or without Bill. Educate yourself, you won't sound so ignorant...

 

[JLM]

Have you read her bio before? She was a something before she met Bill, and was going to be a something with or without Bill. Educate yourself, you won't sound so ignorant...

Yeah, I browsed through her bio. basically her claim to fame before Washington was 12 years as first lady of Arkansas and she was a social worker and woman's and children's advocate. 99% of her success in life was due to Bill. Now YOU are educated and a little less ignorant.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Yeah, I browsed through her bio. basically her claim to fame before Washington was 12 years as first lady of Arkansas and she was a social worker and woman's and children's advocate. 99% of her success in life was due to Bill. Now YOU are educated and a little less ignorant.

JLM, Hillary is a lawyer of the first order, she is not the ignorant fool that you seem to think she is. I think she had a thriving law practice before Bill became the Governor of Arkansas.

She was also a very astute investor, she made a fortune trading in futures (pork bellies it was, I think). Republicans tried to spin that into some kind of scandal when Bill became President. After all, they spent more than 100 million $ of taxpayer’s money to get some dirt on Bill, they investigated absolutely everything. They may even have investigated if Bill cheated at hide and seek as a kid, I don’t know.

But the point is Hillary was an educated, up and coming lawyer before she entered politics, she was not the ignorant fool, a moron as you evidently think.

Once she got her start in politics (admittedly because of Bill), she proved herself to be a very savvy, shrewd, capable politician.

 

[Tonington]

Yeah, I browsed through her bio. basically her claim to fame before Washington was 12 years as first lady of Arkansas and she was a social worker and woman's and children's advocate. 99% of her success in life was due to Bill. Now YOU are educated and a little less ignorant.

So you missed the stuff before she met Bill ehh? She was never going to be a "nuthin." Read her early life stuff at wikipedia. Her fellow students in her undergrad college thought she could someday be the first woman elected POTUS. She was featured in an article for Life magazine, for having the honour of being the first student in her college's history to deliver the commencement address.

These are hardly the accolades of a "nuthing".

You're missing the undistributed middle. If she hadn't married Bill, who knows what she would have done. She might not have achieved the heights she has, though I doubt very much she would have faded into the background. It's not a pattern that is at all evident in her background.

 

[JLM]

JLM, Hillary is a lawyer of the first order, she is not the ignorant fool that you seem to think she is. I think she had a thriving law practice before Bill became the Governor of Arkansas.

She was also a very astute investor, she made a fortune trading in futures (pork bellies it was, I think). Republicans tried to spin that into some kind of scandal when Bill became President. After all, they spent more than 100 million $ of taxpayer’s money to get some dirt on Bill, they investigated absolutely everything. They may even have investigated if Bill cheated at hide and seek as a kid, I don’t know.

But the point is Hillary was an educated, up and coming lawyer before she entered politics, she was not the ignorant fool, a moron as you evidently think.

Once she got her start in politics (admittedly because of Bill), she proved herself to be a very savvy, shrewd, capable politician.

I never thought she was an "ignorant fool" as far as book smarts are concerned, and yes I admit to you and Tonington that I may have sold her short as far as ability goes, probably because she comes across to me as a little phony. She just doesn't inspire the confidence in me that Obama does. Maybe when she made the comment about getting off the plane in Iraq in a deluge of shrapnel, she was just joking. I never read anything about her being a lawyer, but isn't that in itself a sign of corruption? :lol::lol:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

If she hadn't married Bill, who knows what she would have done. She might not have achieved the heights she has, though I doubt very much she would have faded into the background. It's not a pattern that is at all evident in her background.

Who knows, Tonington, maybe if she had not married Bill, she may be the president today. She could very well have got her start in politics some other way.

 

[JLM]

If she hadn't married Bill, who knows what she would have done. She might not have achieved the heights she has, though I doubt very much she would have faded into the background. It's not a pattern that is at all evident in her background.

Who knows, Tonington, maybe if she had not married Bill, she may be the president today. She could very well have got her start in politics some other way.

On the other side of the coin, if Bill had married Monica instead of Hillary, he may have accomplished a lot more and been even greater than he is because he may not have wasted so much time chasing other women.

 

[Liberalman]

I watched the video and Mrs Clinton got really fat that's why she snapped at the reporter because there is no twinkys in Africa

 

[ironsides]

I disagree, JLM. No doubt Hillary got her start because she is Bill’s wife. She was able to run for the Senate just because she was Bill’s wife. However, she had a very strong Republican candidate to fight in the Senate election. Vic Lazio was moderate, charming and had charisma.

Hillary was able to demolish him in the debate. After that she took the lead and won a difficult election. Bill did not come into it. Then she almost won the nomination (if she had won the nomination, very likely she would be the president today). Then she was picked to be the Secretary of State, all without Bill’s help.

It is not unusual for a woman to get a start in politics because of her husband, or her father. Indira Gandhi, PM of India was the most prominent one; she got her start because she was daughter of Nehru, an Indian icon. Philippines PM Corazon Akino was another.

However, unless a woman is a skilled, consummate politician in her own right, she would not survive in politics; politics is a difficult and dirty game.

So much as you may not like Hillary she is a skilled, gifted and experienced politician.

Hillary does not have the temperament to become President and has shown it. Hillary is already starting to show chinks in her armor. A Margaret Thatcher she is not.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Hillary does not have the temperament to become President and has shown it. Hillary is already starting to show chinks in her armor. A Margaret Thatcher she is not.

And a good thing too. I despised Margaret Thatcher. Anyway, did you know that she left office in disgrace? She was the only PM in British history who was booted out by her own party, when she did not want to go.

 

[EagleSmack]

Again you know very little about US Politics. It was no surprise to anyone seeing Obama beat McCain after eight years of GW.

Really EagleSmack? That is not what Republicans were saying just before the election. The Republican pollster, Rasmussen was predicting a statistical dead heat just 3 or 4 days before election. Republicans were confident of victory, especially after McCain picked Joan of Ark. Rush ‘drug addict’ Limbaugh called McCain ‘McBrilliant’ and as much as declared that the election was over.

Spare me. It was over and everyone knew it. Of course McCain is going to keep fighting. What politician throws in the towel before the first vote is cast?

Not as much fun as watching the liberals and Democrats get it fed back to them!

Not as much fun as watching you go into convulsions!

Now why would I go into convulsions? And Democrats getting it fed back to them? As I recall, that happened last in 1994. That was 15 years ago. How many more years are you going to feed on that? 15 more years?

I did not mention 1994...you did. You're even more desperate than I thought.

I am talking about today and the Democrats getting it fed back to them daily. Believe me they are feeling the heat and running for cover. Obama's silly Town Hall Meeting in Portsmouth was sham and stacked with his supporters. Even Obama asked for a critical question...

“I don’t want people thinking I’ve just got a bunch of plants here,” he said

Why Obama? Because it was exactly that, a bunch of "plants". An orchrestrated love in made up of swooning moon bats.

Town hall meeting becomes love-in - BostonHerald.com

 

[JLM]

"Spare me. It was over and everyone knew it. Of course McCain is going to keep fighting. What politician throws in the towel before the first vote is cast?"

Hey, the race wasn't all that lop sided. Like 67 million votes for Democrat and 58 million votes for Republcan. Had the three states of California, New York and Washington voted REpublican it would have been a whole new different ball game.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Spare me. It was over and everyone knew it. Of course McCain is going to keep fighting. What politician throws in the towel before the first vote is cast?

The extreme right Republican base did not know that, EagleSmack. McCain’s strategy for winning depended upon him flipping over Pennsylvania to Republican side. On many far right websites such as Town Hall, the consensus was that McCain will win Pennsylvania by 2% and hence will win the election.

The polls tightened in the final couple of day, as they inevitably do. Far right went ecstatic over it. Again the consensus among the far right was that McCain had the momentum, the polls were moving his way and by election day, he would be ahead in most battleground states.

Obama’s win may have been obvious to mainstream press (e.g. CNN), it was not at all obvious to the far right base and Republican pollsters such as Rasmussen.

I am talking about today and the Democrats getting it fed back to them daily. Believe me they are feeling the heat and running for cover.

That is your opinion and nothing more. As a Republican no doubt you think that Republicans will win control of Senate and House in 2010 and will win presidency in 2012. You wouldn’t’ be a Republican if you did not think that. So it is just your personal opinion, nothing more.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

"Spare me. It was over and everyone knew it. Of course McCain is going to keep fighting. What politician throws in the towel before the first vote is cast?"

Hey, the race wasn't all that lop sided. Like 67 million votes for Democrat and 58 million votes for Republcan. Had the three states of California, New York and Washington voted REpublican it would have been a whole new different ball game.

Let us not get carried away, JLM. California, New York and Washington vote Republican? Hell will freeze over before that happens. The last time New York voted Republican was for Reagan.

But you are right. While the consensus in the mainstream pointed towards Obama win, the far right was convinced that McCain was going to pull a come from behind win. Even McLaughlin, the host of the PBS show McLaughlin group, claimed in his final show before the election that the election was too close to call.

As the polls tightened in the final days (as they do in every race), far right was getting more and more confident that their candidate was going to win. It wouldn’t’ surprise me if EagleSmack thought the same, way, though of course he will deny it.

 

[EagleSmack]

Spare me. It was over and everyone knew it. Of course McCain is going to keep fighting. What politician throws in the towel before the first vote is cast?

The extreme right Republican base did not know that, EagleSmack. McCain’s strategy for winning depended upon him flipping over Pennsylvania to Republican side. On many far right websites such as Town Hall, the consensus was that McCain will win Pennsylvania by 2% and hence will win the election.

The polls tightened in the final couple of day, as they inevitably do. Far right went ecstatic over it. Again the consensus among the far right was that McCain had the momentum, the polls were moving his way and by election day, he would be ahead in most battleground states.

Obama’s win may have been obvious to mainstream press (e.g. CNN), it was not at all obvious to the far right base and Republican pollsters such as Rasmussen.

It was obvious to everyone. Everyone knew that Obama was a juggernaut just like Clinton.

I am talking about today and the Democrats getting it fed back to them daily. Believe me they are feeling the heat and running for cover

.

That is your opinion and nothing more. As a Republican no doubt you think that Republicans will win control of Senate and House in 2010 and will win presidency in 2012.

Once again you are saying that I am a Republican which I am not. You say that because you are desperate and it is a typical tactic of the liberals. If you can't beat them, call them names and make stuff up. I am what they call unenrolled.

You wouldn’t’ be a Republican if you did not think that. So it is just your personal opinion, nothing more.

You know very little of US Politics and it shows. I have answered this question to you a number of times and yet you still ask it. Are you slow?

Have you not asked me this before?

 

[lone wolf]

Isn't Arnie a Republican?

 

[karrie]

Once again you are saying that I am a Republican which I am not. You say that because you are desperate and it is a typical tactic of the liberals. If you can't beat them, call them names and make stuff up. I am what they call unenrolled.

Have you seen my signature lately Eagle? lol. I find the compulsion to peg and label people quite interesting.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

It was obvious to everyone. Everyone knew that Obama was a juggernaut just like Clinton

Not to the far right, EagleSmack. Read far right websites such as Town Hall, Rasmussen or WorldNetDaily from those days. Especially in the final days, the far right base was giddy with excitement.

3 or 4 days before the election, Rasmussen released a three day tracking poll, where he showed on the third day (of three day tracking) McCain 47%, Obama 46%. All Hell broke loose on far right websites. The extreme right was convinced that McCain had the momentum and that he was going to pull a come from behind victory.

Once again you are saying that I am a Republican which I am not.

Really? Is Republican Party too left wing for you? You support each and every Republican policy, each and every Republican politician; defend each and every Republican however corrupt or however unfit for office. We have a saying in Ontario. If it talks like a duck, walks like a duck……

I am what they call unenrolled.

That may be, but you are a Republican through and through, in spirit, if not a card carrying member of the Republican Party. Interestingly the owner of WorldNet Daily claims that he is not a Republican. He would put any Republican to shame. Compared to him, almost every Republican is a faint hearted liberal nanny.

 

[EagleSmack]

It was obvious to everyone. Everyone knew that Obama was a juggernaut just like Clinton

Not to the far right, EagleSmack. Read far right websites such as Town Hall, Rasmussen or WorldNetDaily from those days. Especially in the final days, the far right base was giddy with excitement.

Nyet. Wrong. The whole country knew Obama was going to win.

Once again you are saying that I am a Republican which I am not.

Really? Is Republican Party too left wing for you? You support each and every Republican policy, each and every Republican politician; defend each and every Republican however corrupt or however unfit for office. We have a saying in Ontario. If it talks like a duck, walks like a duck……

Sez you.

I am what they call unenrolled.

That may be, but you are a Republican through and through, in spirit, if not a card carrying member of the Republican Party. Interestingly the owner of WorldNet Daily claims that he is not a Republican. He would put any Republican to shame. Compared to him, almost every Republican is a faint hearted liberal nanny.

Now that is a matter of opinion now isn't it.