High school student suspended, arrested for saying only 2 genders (Canada)
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No that's not what definitive means, it means the fixed and final answer. There's quite a range of expert opinion on this, but general agreement that there are more than two.
Try this if you're not going to accept anything *I* say:
Sex and gender: Meanings, definition, identity, and expression
Sex and gender are different. Sex is assigned at birth, while gender is how a person identifies. Gender encompasses a broad spectrum. Learn more here.www.medicalnewstoday.com
Interesting that if you look at the article, it does lead you to discussions about gender in India, where Hijras are.
"Hijras are officially recognised as a third gender in the Indian Subcontinent,[8][9][10] being considered neither completely male nor female. Hijras have a recorded history in the Indian subcontinent since antiquity, as suggested by the Kama Sutra."
Hijra (South Asia) - Wikipedia
But of course a lot of people would like to ignore the fact there is history of thousands of years - millennia - that the third gender have existed.
Third gender - Wikipedia
Of course that doesn't mean the other gender expressions don't exist, just means they were usually under the category of male, female, and the 'third gender'.
Humans today like to make things complicated. Personally I wish that the whole Acronym could be done away with, but too many would feel it doesn't 'include them'. Which is why more keeps being added to it as science keeps discovering the variants of human gender and sexuality.
Nonsense. History started on July 1st, 1867.
It's dinosaurs, Jesus, and Confederation.
To be fair, to some it didn't start until 2000 years ago.
Or 6K, depending on your flavour of Religion.
I've learned that Giraffe is indeed a gender. It falls under the limitless umbrella of xenogender.I’m….behind. Life & work. I had to google a definition of “Cake Gender” & it’s a thing. They even have three different flags (depending on the flavour layers).
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Cupcakegender is a subset of cakegender, where one has multiple smaller sweet genders, like cupcakes, coming together to form one big cake as the gender.
Cupcakegender was coined on March 21, 2019 by anonymous via Tumblr user nebularomantic. The flag was created on March 27, 2019 by nebularomatic.
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Cakegender - LGBTQIA+ Wiki
Cakegender is a gastrogender that is related to cake which is soft and fluffy like cake. It can also be sweet or warm. Cakegender can also come in different "flavors...www.lgbtqia.wiki
Your gender could be "park bench" if you choose.
Xenogender (coined in 2014 by Tumblr user Baaphomett in a submission to the MOGAI-Archive blog, from xeno alien + "gender")[1] is a nonbinary gender identity "that cannot be contained by human understandings of gender; more concerned with crafting other methods of gender categorization and hierarchy such as those relating to animals, plants, or other creatures/things."[1] Xenogender isn't defined in relation to "female" or "male" (the binary genders), but by other kinds of ideas that most people don't think of as having to do with gender. When people talk about nonbinary gender, they often find that there aren't any words for their experiences. This is called a lexical gap. In order to fill a lexical gap, this wiki takes up "xenogender" as an umbrella term for an entire category of nonbinary genders that are defined by characteristics with no relation whatsoever to "female" or "male." The adjective "xenine" means "of or pertaining to xenogenders". The noun form of xenine is xenity.[2]
Neurodiversity: Some nonbinary people have mental variations (mental illnesses, neurological conditions, or neurodivergence). Some who have mental variations see these as an influence on-- or an inseparable part of-- their gender identity. These are called neurogenders, and most of them are not described on this page, but on the neurogender page.
In the 2020 Worldwide Gender Census, 85 of the responses (0.35%) called themselves "xenogender."[4] Far more in the census called themselves by specific genders under the xenogender umbrella, though that is hard to quantify or differentiate. Individually, any given xenogender is rare, and many seem to have only been proposed, but never used by anybody.
Xenogender Visibility Day was first celebrated on the 15th of May 2021.[5][6]
If you legitimately look at the idea of genders and how it's been seen over the millennia, it's curious as to why "suddenly" (in the historical sense) the denial of more than two genders existing became a thing.
I've seen people demand to know "What is a woman?"
I'd also ask "What is a man?"
Most people would start with "A man/woman is a (insert body part here)" but that is belittling what man and woman are. If all we are is body parts then what happens if those parts are removed or changed?
If a man or woman is "defined by the chromosomes/DNA" then what happens when DNA tells us differently? How do we KNOW what a person's DNA is, without demanding every single person we speak to for proof that they are what they claim their DNA to say? (uncomfortably similar to how a certain country demanded ancestral/genealogical proof that you were a pure-blooded non-Jew).
The excuse that "If they'd just shut up about it and stop shoving it in our faces" is just that, an excuse. Most anyone that is GLBTQIA+ DOESN'T flaunt their gender OR sexuality, they just live their lives.
But just as the straight male/female has their people who flaunt it, same with GLBTQIA+ have people who flaunt it. Because after centuries of denial of mere existence, people who are part of it are tired of hiding.
The simplest way to get "us" to STFU is to just leave us the hell alone, allow us to exist, stop being so goddamn afraid - yes, afraid - and angry and unless someone is actively in your face, literally screaming and shoving themselves on you, just ignore it/us/them, and walk the hell away.
We've done it to you all for generations; a little return of that would be nice.
And if your religion says there can't be more than two genders, well... congrats. Other religions say there are more than two, so which religion is right?
I've seen people demand to know "What is a woman?"
I'd also ask "What is a man?"
Most people would start with "A man/woman is a (insert body part here)" but that is belittling what man and woman are. If all we are is body parts then what happens if those parts are removed or changed?
If a man or woman is "defined by the chromosomes/DNA" then what happens when DNA tells us differently? How do we KNOW what a person's DNA is, without demanding every single person we speak to for proof that they are what they claim their DNA to say? (uncomfortably similar to how a certain country demanded ancestral/genealogical proof that you were a pure-blooded non-Jew).
The excuse that "If they'd just shut up about it and stop shoving it in our faces" is just that, an excuse. Most anyone that is GLBTQIA+ DOESN'T flaunt their gender OR sexuality, they just live their lives.
But just as the straight male/female has their people who flaunt it, same with GLBTQIA+ have people who flaunt it. Because after centuries of denial of mere existence, people who are part of it are tired of hiding.
The simplest way to get "us" to STFU is to just leave us the hell alone, allow us to exist, stop being so goddamn afraid - yes, afraid - and angry and unless someone is actively in your face, literally screaming and shoving themselves on you, just ignore it/us/them, and walk the hell away.
We've done it to you all for generations; a little return of that would be nice.
And if your religion says there can't be more than two genders, well... congrats. Other religions say there are more than two, so which religion is right?
Wow - if you backpeddle any harder you might actually reverse time
Look - when I said that many people use different letters than you do your reply was "Oh no - the experts agree with me and i've never seen other ones." So don't give me that bullshit. You're one of the few on here with a bit of a brain who's usually honest, don't fuck it up now.
If you have now REVERSED your previous position and agree that there is zero consensus then my original point was correct. Wasn't it.
You haven't really said anything. I've presented a logical and coherent argument, and all you've done is flip flop and avoid discussing the issues. I'm actually more than a little disappointed and i'm getting fed up with your dodging and childishness.
How about this - how about you answer the question i asked and lay out a solid argument and THEN i'll start paying attention to the links you feel support your argument. If you can't put forward an argument - all you've done is prove that the "many gender" proponents have no argument and deserve no respect for their views.
You started this. You insisted there's multiple genders. You've been 'relaxed' with the truth about what you've said so far. So - time to man up and put that brain to work and address some of the points i've raised OR admit there was no reasoning behind your position and that to the best of your knowledge there is no argument for this whole 'multiple genders' bull crap.
The Chokee believe in some kind of multiple genders. Can’t remember how it worked and the supreme commander isn’t around to ask.
I haven't tried to make an argument, I've merely expressed my understanding of things based on what I've read from people in a position to know more than I do about this, and if you're going to claim I haven't really said anything it's a mystery what it is you think you're arguing about. You persistently misrepresent things I've said, attributing extremes to me that I haven't expressed, and I've tried to be patient, but when the ad hominem attacks start, I'm done.
Well - i think the "Some kind" is where we're going to run into issues. A lot of what is being attempted to be passed as 'gender' is not by any normally accepted definition, the definitions have to be changed and twisted a bit to fit them into it. And where have we seen THAT before.
A lot of what they talk about is nothing more than personality or preferences. If a woman likes other women, is that a new gender? Not really - that's just a sexual preference. Lots of people like women. I like women. I don't understand why women would want to date men in the first place. I wouldn't.
So - it's not a new gender issue. It's a woman who's preferences include some behavior which is associated with the male gender. And even that's a little questionable. So I question how we get "gay" as a gender.
We've always had a spectrum. We've always had gays, or effeminate males or tomboy girls, and transexuals go back to at LEAST the 1700's - but it was always seen as "belonging to both" male and female, not really a new 'gender'.
So why is this an issue now one has to ask. THe concept of 'Gender" wasn't part of the gay rights movements very much. They didn't fight for their rights based on "gay" being a third gender, they referred to their sexual orientation and the like. So why are those on the left pushing it so hard now?
My feeling is that while gays were seen as sort of a 'real thing', transsexuals are seen as more of a mental condition. More of a medical issue than an issue of accepting people for who they are.
So - they have to create the sense that somehow this isn't a medical issue but is a seperate normal state of being - and claiming the person's "Gender" is at stake is how they do that,
You can't change your sex. But you CAN change your Gender! Apperently. All you need to do is make Gender mean almost any kind of personality trait you want, and then claim it's different from sex but basically the same. So if someone changes their gender it should be treated as if they changed their sex. Even tho they insist that gender is not the same as sex. But it its. But it isn't.
That's literally what i said. And that's a problem.I've merely expressed my understanding of things based on what I've read from people in a position to know mor
I'm afraid you haven't even done that. All you've done is say that you believe there's multiple genders and that religions accept them. That's not relating your understanding of anything. It's barely even an opinion.
And you didn't exactly present them as OTHER people's thinking. But we'll let that slide for the moment.
Well you haven't said anything, but you've talked a lot haven't you. You made the claim that there absolutely is more than one gender, yet refuse to offer even a hint of why that would be true. You have insisted these multiple genders should be respected as human rights without even being able to define them OR why they would be human rights. You refuse to even give an example of something that would be a gender different than male or female.
You have further insisted after i pointed out that people can't even agree on what the letters are that indeed there WAS CONSENSUS!!!! And then pretended to be shocked that i pointed out there wasn't, claiming you never suggested any such thing.
And now you're trying to claim you didn't even say anything to begin with. "What's this about?" You ask. "where am i? WHat day is this?"
Well we both know that's a lie don't we. If there's anyone here who's being dishonest about what you said, it isn't me.
And what attacks would those be. Do you know what an ad hominem attack is? I don't think yo u do. SO now you're just throwing out buzzwords and trying to escape in the confusion are you? Seriuosly, whom do you normally discuss things with that you think that would be effective? 8 year olds?
This whole thing has shown you haven't given a seconds thought to this issue and yet INSIST that there's multiple genders and it's people's RIGHT to be respected for them.
And it's that kind of thing that causes people to have no respect for it. You should take some time to actually think about it before discussing it in the future. You're embarassing yourself AND you're making the argument that there is more than one gender look very shady.
Of course the propagandists and narrative pushers would like you to ignore the fact that hijra's were essentially eunuchs and that for thousands of years becoming a eunuch was a decision someone else made for you. It wasn't an evolutionary step forward. It was a "privilege" forced on slaves and people in the lowest class. Can't have 'em reproducing ya know. Just castrate 'em and make them into slaves too. It's also interesting that you decided NOT to quote this part; "Many hijras today live in well-defined and organised all-hijra communities, led by a guru.[4] These communities have consisted over generations of those who are in abject poverty or who have been rejected by or fled their family of origin.[12] Many work as sex workers.""Hijras are officially recognised as a third gender in the Indian Subcontinent,[8][9][10] being considered neither completely male nor female. Hijras have a recorded history in the Indian subcontinent since antiquity, as suggested by the Kama Sutra."
Hijra (South Asia) - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
But of course a lot of people would like to ignore the fact there is history of thousands of years - millennia - that the third gender have existed.
So, despite thousands of years of recognition in India, the "third gender" still represents the lowest socio-economic class in India and are treated by and large as less than human.
But, if anyone can be taken seriously it's people who worship a bull. Of course I notice that didn't prevent you from mocking another religion's silly beliefs a few posts later. But since the bull-worshipers stated there was a "third gender", even though they by and large physically created that "third gender" by force (and systemically treated like shit), you latch onto that and mock the Jesus-worshipers who think the planet is only 6000 yrs old.
Humans today are fucking stupid. Well, some of them are anyway. And here's the thing Serryah, people like you DON'T help the "argument". When someone who supports the broader narrative insists on bullshit like men can have periods and get pregnant I can't take them fucking seriously anymore. If you wanna play the stupid gender game, knock yourself out. But don't spew fundamental falsehoods while expecting people to buy the rest of the crap you're trying to peddle.Third gender - Wikipedia
Of course that doesn't mean the other gender expressions don't exist, just means they were usually under the category of male, female, and the 'third gender'.
Humans today like to make things complicated. Personally I wish that the whole Acronym could be done away with, but too many would feel it doesn't 'include them'. Which is why more keeps being added to it as science keeps discovering the variants of human gender and sexuality.
People like you?
Um... reading issue tonight, Jin?
That's usually the case for most eunuch's, yes.
Not in the case of eunuchs, no.
Yeah, for the 'status' of the rich. Depending on the culture eunuchs were highly prized especially politically.
Lots of civilizations did that.
Of course you make lots of assumptions because, well, that's what you do, and only do.
I didn't mention it because that was NOT the point. The point was - a third gender is recognized by multiple cultures, the Hijras being one of them, and have been for millenia.
Sadly true. And it's not right. There are people trying to change it. GLBTQIA+ struggles are global.
That doesn't negate the fact they still existed.
Now if you want to discuss the inequality and outright abuse Hijras are under, we can do that. The last documentary I saw on the issue interviewed about five Hijras, and the people working to try and change the culture so they're more accepted and not so abused. Depending on the region in India, they still perform religious ceremonies, for example. But people still exploit them because of both old traditions AND Western influences.
As opposed the Sky Daddy?
I only 'mock' the assholes who deserve it, like people that use Religion to base their bigotry, fear and just utter disgusting lack of empathy to others, for example. Funnily enough, I've got Christian friends who also mock the same kind of assholes for the same reasons. One friend I have as a Trans kid; ended up divorcing her ex over the fact. Yet she's one of the more devout Christians I've ever met, and a damn good person and mom.
If only more Christians were like her.
Sarcasm is lost on you, isn't it?
Also, I didn't just "latch onto" the "Bull worshipers", but sure, continue to make an ass of yourself.
Lastly, the "third gender" aren't "physically created" like you commented. SOME are eunuchs, yes, but not all of them. I mean, it says as much in the first freakin' line of the article about the Hijras.
But hey, don't let that get in the way of you pushing your narrative of Bullshit.
I've said as much, yes.
Well people like you sure as hell don't. Fact, you're part of the goddamn problem. And if by "not helping" it means standing by and supporting people who are GLBTQIA+, if 'not helping' means getting into the faces of garbage people who think that they know best, that want to see kids die, that don't give a shit about good people who just want to live their fucking lives, and telling them repeatedly they fucking suck as human beings and they're pieces of shit then sucks to be you, guess you get to see me continue to 'not help'.
Trans men can have periods, and get pregnant. Yes.
You don't have to. Just like others don't have to take you seriously for being someone or something with any sort of compassion or empathy - or anything at all resembling humanity - what so ever.
The only stupid gender game is you and others like you so terrified and freaked that a man would "want to cut his dick off and be a woman" that you panic at the idea of it and insist it can't be true! It can't happen! Oh no!
Funny thing is, progression in science doesn't give a shit about your fears or opinions, and what you see as falsehood is just willful ignorance on your part and refusal to get over yourself, and realize humans are a LOT more complicated than you want them to be.
The fact of the matter is despite all the words in the dictionary and letters in the alphabet there are only two genders . Male and female . Eunucks are not a gender .
Actually what they want you to ignore is this part where they have never been considered a third 'gender'. That's the term that WE are putting on it NOW.
THis part tells it all:
So not completely male, not completely female, but some of both. THAT IS STILL TWO GENDERS. They are people who exhibit traits of both genders. That isn't a new gender.
If i l like peanut butter, and i like jam, and i decide to try peanut butter AND jam, that means i've still only got peanut butter and jam. It doesn't mean i've invented mustard.
ALL people are a combination of the two genders. Those we think of as 'men' exhibit PRIMARILY male gender traits, and so for women. But they have both.
This is why left wing loonies like Serryah like to play fast and loose with the definition of Gender. It has to mean "anything they want" or their whole argument falls apart ,
Its fine to be bananas, what i disapprove of is the dishonesty. I mean - if someone is just nuts and thinks they're napoleon, they are at least consistent
But not so in this case. And the lying, hypocrisy, dishonesty, bigotry and hatred are what piss me off.
LILLEY: High school student suspended, arrested for saying only 2 genders
It happened in Renfrew about an hour away from Ottawa. A student said there were only two genders in class and then trouble started.torontosun.com
So - in a CATHOLIC school the kid says in his opinion there's only two genders and in the name of being "inclusive " he ls thrown out of school for his religions opinion and then arrested for attempting to access his education.
Because two trans people disagree with him. Apparently because it's now illegal to have a religions belief. In a catholic school.
I'm not catholic, nor do i have much affection for that religion, but this is wrong.
Honestly - this is fast becoming an 'us vs them' thing to the point where the trans (and by association the gays lesbians and other lettered people who have tied their wagons to the trans cause) are working hard to create the next version of Hitler. Kids today will be raised to believe that the LBGQ community is out to harm them if they don't bow to them, and if they don't want to be gay or trans or whatever they are bad people and it's ok to harm them and hurt their future. And someone is going to exploit that
That ends one way - sooner or later the hatred of that boils up and explodes and the backlash becomes brutal and unreasonable. And it will spill over to other groups who aren't even involved. And we get what we've seen in the past, a gross overcorrection and some horrible person will rise to power on it just as the worst dictators in the past have.
Violence against the gay and trans communities will continue to go up and up thanks to this regressive and hate filled abuse of power. This hatred of anyone different than themselves has got to stop or it will end badly for our country.
Of course - by suggesting the hatred and intolerance should stop I'm probably breaking the law. In their minds.
Here’s a weird one. Unlike the above student that had an option and is expelled or whatever…best guess, what’ll happen to this student who pepper-sprays her teacher…twice…for confiscating her cell phone while she was in class???
This is a US Story, from a Canadian news service. Pepper spray in Canada is legally frowned upon in Canada, and weapons of any type are again frowned upon, so I know it’s a weird contrast of different systems in different countries (this one in the state of Tennessee) here, but what’s your best guess???
(In Tennessee regarding a Tazer, you Must be a minimum of 18 years old. Cannot have any convicted felonies on record. For self defense purposes only)