(Heart) Breaking News Out of Afghanistan

ironsides

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So sad. :-(

Well, he did give his life for his countrymen (and women) and I`m sure will be remembered as a hero.

To bad he did not give his life for his country, that is the sad part.
 
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JBeee

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His country was/is invaded by a foreign force and like any country being attacked, chose to fight the enemy and died a hero for doing so.

So sad.:-(


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To bad he did not give his life for his country, that is the sad part.
 
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Jbeee, I think it a little misplaced to blame soldiers when your anger would be better placed on the spineless, corrupt and moral-less politicians and their masters that sent them there.
 

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..... The coalition blames the rise in troop deaths partly on the influx of reinforcements, which is allowing commanders to target previously untouched insurgent safe havens where rebels are mounting stiff resistance.

Gen David Petraeus, senior US and Nato commander in the country, warned last week fighting would “get harder before it gets easier”.....

Well they seem to be doing a good job.... no sense keeping our troops there after 2011.

yes it is heartbreaking, many families not having a happy day, and tomorrow and the next day,
it's very hard to relate to that level of sadness.

Excuse me, but considering all the flack US deserters get for heading here to Canada, claiming they signed up on their own accord to go and fight..... where's the same mentality being applied here?

These guys signed up to go over there and fight..... and on top of that, which country decided to send their troops there in the first place to start this conflict?

 

JLM

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Praxius; These guys signed up to go over there and fight..... [B said:
and on top of that, which country decided to send their troops there in the first place to start this conflict[/B]?


Whoa, hold on......................the conflict started in N.Y.C., Washington and Pennsylvania on Sept. 11, 2001.
 

JBeee

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The conflict started MUCH earlier than Sept. 11, 2001.

9/11 was merely a much deserved act of retaliation for US crimes committed in Middle East, Asia etc. prior.

And expect more to come.


Whoa, hold on......................the conflict started in N.Y.C., Washington and Pennsylvania on Sept. 11, 2001.
 

JLM

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The conflict started MUCH earlier than Sept. 11, 2001.

9/11 was merely a much deserved act of retaliation for US crimes committed in Middle East, Asia etc. prior.

And expect more to come.

Bullsh*t! What U.S. crimes specifically? And supposing there were, is that justification for the slaughter of 2800 innocent people? Was the crime committed over Lockerbie Scotland perpetrated by the U.S. ? Give us some facts or put a lid on it. :smile:
 

Praxius

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Whoa, hold on......................the conflict started in N.Y.C., Washington and Pennsylvania on Sept. 11, 2001.

So they say..... the conflict began much earlier then that.

They could have gone in with some recon to find out exactly where Osama was and then air strike the whole area, or send in a C-130 and pick him off from high in the sky without even being seen like what they did in Somalia a couple years back with another target..... or send in some of their hyped up special forces to snipe him with a Barret M82A2 and turn him into splinters...... instead someone got the bright idea to go on some grandiose parade on the TV to rile up the public to go to war and bomb the crap out of the entire area, all the while giving these guys plenty of time to piss off to Pakistan long before troops showed up.

If you're all up for going to war and killing people, don't complain when you get a bloody nose..... these things happen, people get wounded, people die, and when it comes to fighting people who believe they're defending their own country, you have an uphill battle to deal with.

While Canada lost a few people in New York, let's be realistic here..... the attack on the WTC buildings was intended as a direct attack on the US.

The funny thing is that very few people bother to ask why they attacked in the first place and consider it an unprovoked attack..... even though months leading up to the attack, evidence was all over the place, yet nobody in the US government bothered to do anything about it.

I'm not going to delve any further in this already old and dried up debate on why we're all in Afghanistan...... in a nut shell, the US went on the attack and decided to start an actual war and then later NATO allies were dragged into it..... dragged into a war with no objective, no goals, no time tables, no exit strategy and no friggin clue what they/we were up against.

But we're there now and things have hardly improved any, and I doubt they will.

We did our part..... I believe our Canadian troops have killed and slaughtered more then enough of the enemy to pay back the couple of our people who were killed in New York.... we helped out our allies more then we originally intended to do...... time to leave and let the US continue on their "Holy Crusade to fight the Evil Do'ers"

I know this isn't the most popular opinion...... but as others have said in here, that's my "Freedom of expression/speech" which was hardly in any condition to be threatened by anybody in Afghanistan.
 

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JBeee said:

"The conflict started MUCH earlier than Sept. 11, 2001".

He is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT:

List of Islamic Terror Attacks in America

And the the list does not even include the attack on the U.S. Marine compound in Lebanon (200+ killed), attack on various U.S. embassies in Africa, attack on the USS Cole and hunderds of Muslim attacks on allies of America.
 

Praxius

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Bullsh*t! What U.S. crimes specifically? And supposing there were, is that justification for the slaughter of 2800 innocent people? Was the crime committed over Lockerbie Scotland perpetrated by the U.S. ? Give us some facts or put a lid on it. :smile:

How many Afghan and Iraqi civilians were slaughtered during the US invasions and how many more have died after the initial invasions?

A sh*tload more then how many died in 9/11..... oh but since their Muslim and live in backwards societies, I suppose their lives are only worth a fraction of our own, thus more of their people need to suffer and die in order to fulfill the West's blood lust.

Civilians didn't matter to the US when they nuked Japan twice to win a war...... but I suppose that's double standards for ya.

A do as we say, not as we do mentality, if I ever saw one.
 

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Civilians didn't matter to the US when they nuked Japan twice to win a war...... but I suppose that's double standards for ya.
You can not compare the two wars for starters.

Secondly, modern warfare, urban warfare, are far different then what took place in WWII(LWF).

If we practiced the same type of warfare now, as we did then, you can bet your last dollar, that the death toll would ten fold higher.
 

JLM

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JBeee said:

"The conflict started MUCH earlier than Sept. 11, 2001".

He is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT:

List of Islamic Terror Attacks in America

And the the list does not even include the attack on the U.S. Marine compound in Lebanon (200+ killed), attack on various U.S. embassies in Africa, attack on the USS Cole and hunderds of Muslim attacks on allies of America.

I originally construed your post to mean JBee is absolutely and then you continue to refute that. Clarify please. :smile:

How many Afghan and Iraqi civilians were slaughtered during the US invasions and how many more have died after the initial invasions?

A sh*tload more then how many died in 9/11..... oh but since their Muslim and live in backwards societies, I suppose their lives are only worth a fraction of our own, thus more of their people need to suffer and die in order to fulfill the West's blood lust.

Civilians didn't matter to the US when they nuked Japan twice to win a war...... but I suppose that's double standards for ya.

A do as we say, not as we do mentality, if I ever saw one.

You are just digging yourself a deeper hole. You should quit before you get too far behind. If the Japs are so upset about getting nuked, they should have given more thought to Dec. 7, 1941.
 

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Sad news. It looks like militant action will spark more militant action. Not surprising, but expect more deaths.
 

JBeee

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LOL.....you silly boy Jack.

"11/25/1973USAOakland, CA10A grocer is killed in his store by Nation of Islam terrorists.12/11/1973USAOakland, CA10A man is killed by Nation of Islam terrorists while using a phone booth.12/13/1973USAOakland, CA10A woman is shot to deah on the sidewalk by Nation of Islam terrorists.

Just 3 examples given.

Now list the `terrorist` attacks by African Americans on American soil over the last 30 years will ya!?:lol:


JBeee said:

"The conflict started MUCH earlier than Sept. 11, 2001".

He is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT:

List of Islamic Terror Attacks in America

And the the list does not even include the attack on the U.S. Marine compound in Lebanon (200+ killed), attack on various U.S. embassies in Africa, attack on the USS Cole and hunderds of Muslim attacks on allies of America.
 

Praxius

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You can not compare the two wars for starters.

I'm not comparing the wars, I'm comparing the actions against civilians.... in how on one side, it's perfectly justifiable, while on the other (when it's done to us) it's completely inexcusable, unjustified and calls for an all out military attack that ends up killing nameless and countless other civilians, which are once again.... justifiable.

If we practiced the same type of warfare now, as we did then, you can bet your last dollar, that the death toll would ten fold higher.

Most likely it would be..... however one would have thought we would have evolved a little bit more to not allow this to happen in the first place...... but hindsight being 20/20....... we're there now, the US just sent in more of their own troops and it was expected before they did that more of their troops would be killed...... and they are...... and yet people act all shocked and surprised..... mortified even, that so many are being killed.

It's War, that's what happens...... I know you're fully aware of this, but it would seem others in here are not.