Harper predicts pain at gas pumps if Layton is in power

JLM

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Why can't they just say how many litres? Litres are international, no US or British litres/liters.

Kind of similar to expressing speed in "KNOTS". Why not kilometers or miles per minute/hour?

Just wondering. Please don't attack me.

Sort of like referring to the "head" as the can or referring to "port" as left. :smile:

ROFLMFAO, I see one of the few intelligent Harper supporters is conspicuously absent from the post Harper win part of this thread. Kudos to Bear. As for the rest of you Harper supporters that have continued on in here, the only thing you are doing is showing your blind support for the man, and your complete inability for independent thought.


Fact: Harper stated that a Layton/NDP government would mean an immediate hike in gas prices. Fear mongering at it's finest.

Fact: Within a month of Harper getting a majority we see a hike of over 10 cents a liter in gas.


Now, when Bear and I were "arguing" this out earlier in this thread, I had said that any increase would have NOTHING to do with Layton, he disagreed. I then put it to him that if Harper received a majority government and increase was to happen then, by conservative supporter thinking, it would be Harpers fault. Bear agreed. Now I see the supporters of Harper are saying that the increase has NOTHING to do with the government.


So, tell me, are you all going to admit now that Harper was lieing and fear mongering to try and put the brakes on the NDP's meteoric rise?

"Support" is the wrong word, Gerry- the least of the four evils? Maybe!
 

lone wolf

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No, the ones in this thread now defending Harper ARE supporters. I am using the correct descriptive.
Not true!... Not true at all.... In fact, just the other day I stepped in for Harper when I guy told me Harper ate kitten sandwiches. Geez, I really made him think when I asked: "On white bread or twelve-grain?"
 

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Clement wants oil industry to explain gas prices



Federal Industry Minister Tony Clement said Thursday he wants the petroleum industry to explain how it sets gasoline prices. Clement told a news conference outside the home of a Toronto MP that the government knows high gas prices are pinching the wallets of Canadians. Clement said he plans to ask executives from refining, distribution and retailing companies to appear before a parliamentary committee to answer questions.

How prices are set, he told reporters, is "not very transparent," and no one has been able to explain to him how prices have come to their current levels. "No one can understand why last year, when oil per barrel was around $140 or $150, we were paying $1.37 per litre, when this year oil is south of $98 a barrel and yet we're paying more," Clement said.

"That's just one issue. There's a lot of issues that have to be addressed. People deserve the answers to these questions."


NDP not satisfied

But NDP MP Jack Harris said Clement's proposal wasn't good enough, and that Canadians deserve a better explanation. Harris, at a news conference in Ottawa, said Canadians want to know if there's evidence of collusion among oil companies, or price gouging by the industry.

"On a scale of one to ten, this is probably a number one in terms of the level of response that you could have to what consumers are regarding as a very serious problem. It really does show a lack of concern," Harris said in Ottawa.

Harris has called for the appointment of a federal ombudsman to investigate those questions.

Former Liberal MP and gas price watcher Dan McTeague said he's worried the parliamentary committee appearance will be a waste of time. He said the federal government could have done other things to help the gasoline market, including fighting harder to stop last year's closure of the Shell Canada refinery in Montreal, which accounted for 13 per cent of production in Eastern Canada.
"I am concerned as a former parlimentarian that it takes several months before a committee can actually be constituted," he said after Clement's announcement.

"So while I share the minister's enthusiasm to have yet another study, my concern is overwhelmingly that it may take too long and there will be further escalation of prices, greater volatility."


Calls for tax rebates

McTeague said the government would be better off giving tax rebates to Canadians as federal revenues rise on the back of gas price hikes. Clement's comments came as motorists welcomed a downswing in pump prices after prices rose 6.5 cents a litre on Tuesday in much of Ontario, Montreal and Vancouver, then by another 2.5 cents per litre on Wednesday.

Some reasons cited for the rising price of gasoline vary — ranging from higher crude prices on the back of a falling U.S. dollar and Middle Eastern political instability, to speculation in wholesale markets.

As well, there are fears that refinery closings in the U.S. Gulf states from springtime flooding on the Mississippi River could cut gas supplies. In Canada, new consumption taxes on gas in Ontario have raised the price in that province since last summer.

Clement did not say when meetings between the government and fuel producers would take place. He said he has the power to refer any questions of how prices are set to the Federal Competition Bureau.

On Wednesday, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty told CBC-TV’s Evan Solomon on Power & Politics that Ottawa was still committed to letting the markets function. "Governments should not be regulating markets," Flaherty said. “That's a sure way to make sure the market doesn't work." Price tracking website Gasbuddy.com reported Thursday the average price across Canada was $1.3359 per litre, down eight-10ths of a cent from a day earlier.

Oil prices climbed still higher Thursday. Crude for June delivery closed on the New York Mercantile Exchange up 76 cents at $98.97 US a barrel, the same day the Paris-based International Energy Agency trimmed its forecast for 2011 global oil demand and warned that high prices could damage the fragile economic recovery.

But the Paris-based agency also warned that continued disruptions to oil supplies — such as that caused by turmoil in Libya — would continue to cause high prices through the rest of this year.

"Persistently high prices at this stage of the economic cycle may ultimately sow the seeds of their own destruction," the IEA said. "Until then, the market confronts fundamentals that still look likely to tighten in 2011."

One industry watcher says any lasting relief from wild price swings could take months to trickle down to the pump. Jason Parent, a senior partner at energy consultancy the Kent Group, said when supply is as tight as it is right now, significant prices shifts from day to day are to be expected.

Clement wants oil industry to explain gas prices - Business - CBC News
 

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Clement wants oil industry to explain gas prices


Federal Industry Minister Tony Clement said Thursday he wants the petroleum industry to explain how it sets gasoline prices. Clement told a news conference outside the home of a Toronto MP that the government knows high gas prices are pinching the wallets of Canadians. Clement said he plans to ask executives from refining, distribution and retailing companies to appear before a parliamentary committee to answer questions.

How prices are set, he told reporters, is "not very transparent," and no one has been able to explain to him how prices have come to their current levels. "No one can understand why last year, when oil per barrel was around $140 or $150, we were paying $1.37 per litre, when this year oil is south of $98 a barrel and yet we're paying more," Clement said.

"That's just one issue. There's a lot of issues that have to be addressed. People deserve the answers to these questions."


NDP not satisfied

But NDP MP Jack Harris said Clement's proposal wasn't good enough, and that Canadians deserve a better explanation. Harris, at a news conference in Ottawa, said Canadians want to know if there's evidence of collusion among oil companies, or price gouging by the industry.

"On a scale of one to ten, this is probably a number one in terms of the level of response that you could have to what consumers are regarding as a very serious problem. It really does show a lack of concern," Harris said in Ottawa.

Harris has called for the appointment of a federal ombudsman to investigate those questions.

Former Liberal MP and gas price watcher Dan McTeague said he's worried the parliamentary committee appearance will be a waste of time. He said the federal government could have done other things to help the gasoline market, including fighting harder to stop last year's closure of the Shell Canada refinery in Montreal, which accounted for 13 per cent of production in Eastern Canada.
"I am concerned as a former parlimentarian that it takes several months before a committee can actually be constituted," he said after Clement's announcement.

"So while I share the minister's enthusiasm to have yet another study, my concern is overwhelmingly that it may take too long and there will be further escalation of prices, greater volatility."


Calls for tax rebates

McTeague said the government would be better off giving tax rebates to Canadians as federal revenues rise on the back of gas price hikes. Clement's comments came as motorists welcomed a downswing in pump prices after prices rose 6.5 cents a litre on Tuesday in much of Ontario, Montreal and Vancouver, then by another 2.5 cents per litre on Wednesday.

Some reasons cited for the rising price of gasoline vary — ranging from higher crude prices on the back of a falling U.S. dollar and Middle Eastern political instability, to speculation in wholesale markets.

As well, there are fears that refinery closings in the U.S. Gulf states from springtime flooding on the Mississippi River could cut gas supplies. In Canada, new consumption taxes on gas in Ontario have raised the price in that province since last summer.

Clement did not say when meetings between the government and fuel producers would take place. He said he has the power to refer any questions of how prices are set to the Federal Competition Bureau.

On Wednesday, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty told CBC-TV’s Evan Solomon on Power & Politics that Ottawa was still committed to letting the markets function. "Governments should not be regulating markets," Flaherty said. “That's a sure way to make sure the market doesn't work." Price tracking website Gasbuddy.com reported Thursday the average price across Canada was $1.3359 per litre, down eight-10ths of a cent from a day earlier.

Oil prices climbed still higher Thursday. Crude for June delivery closed on the New York Mercantile Exchange up 76 cents at $98.97 US a barrel, the same day the Paris-based International Energy Agency trimmed its forecast for 2011 global oil demand and warned that high prices could damage the fragile economic recovery.

But the Paris-based agency also warned that continued disruptions to oil supplies — such as that caused by turmoil in Libya — would continue to cause high prices through the rest of this year.

"Persistently high prices at this stage of the economic cycle may ultimately sow the seeds of their own destruction," the IEA said. "Until then, the market confronts fundamentals that still look likely to tighten in 2011."

One industry watcher says any lasting relief from wild price swings could take months to trickle down to the pump. Jason Parent, a senior partner at energy consultancy the Kent Group, said when supply is as tight as it is right now, significant prices shifts from day to day are to be expected.

Clement wants oil industry to explain gas prices - Business - CBC News

Why is Minister Tony Clement in the position he is if he cannot explain how the oil industry sets its prices?

To quote Kimberly Amadeo:

"Commodity traders are responsible for oil prices by bidding on oil futures contracts. There are many factors they look at when developing the bids that create oil prices:
  • Current supply in terms of output, especially the production quota set by OPEC.
  • Oil reserves, including what is available in U.S. refineries and what is stored at the Strategic Petroleum Reserves.
  • Oil demand, particularly from the U.S. (as estimated by the Energy Information Agency . During the summer, forecasts for travel from AAA are used to determine potential gasoline use. During the winter, weather forecasts are used to determine potential home heating oil use.
Of course, potential world crises in oil-producing countries can also dramatically increase oil prices. This happened in March 2011 when investors became concerned about unrest in Libya, Egypt and Tunisia. It also occurred in July 2006 when the Israel-Lebanon war raised fears of a potential threat of war with Iran. (Article updated March 14, 2011)"


Mainly it is all speculation.
 

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As I have posted here before, gas prices are relatively cheap. I don't understand what all the fuss is about.

I think Clemant and some of the others are just pandering to Ontario and Quebec voters, mostly those who do not understand the concept of a free market.
Oh, the things we have to do to please Ontario and Quebec !!!
 

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As I have posted here before, gas prices are relatively cheap. I don't understand what all the fuss is about.

I think Clemant and some of the others are just pandering to Ontario and Quebec voters, mostly those who do not understand the concept of a free market.
Oh, the things we have to do to please Ontario and Quebec !!!
I'm from Ontario and it would please me greatly if you would swim west and just keep going....
 

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It is rather very silly that Ontario and Quebec have to be pleased by the government and these slackards are have-not provinces,,,hahaha !!
Alberta provides the money for these two provinces and AB is also the one who has to please these provinces,,,now isn't that just so stupid !!!
 

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It is rather very silly that Ontario and Quebec have to be pleased by the government and these slackards are have-not provinces,,,hahaha !!
Alberta provides the money for these two provinces and AB is also the one who has to please these provinces,,,now isn't that just so stupid !!!

 

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I saw on CBC newsworld that NS is going to invoke some clause that will force the rollback of gas prices. Anyone know what this clause is and how it is used?