Harper predicts pain at gas pumps if Layton is in power

cranky

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And just a little FYI - I see no value ina $4 cup of java from starbucks and have no I dea how they justify it
You can buy 50cent coffee, $4 coffee and probably even $12 coffee. It is not the coffee you are paying for, its the perception of value, ie 'the experience' that you are paying for.

then the cost to produce 1 barrel from the oil sands is about $50-55
anyone know if that is a 45 gallon barrel? if so, then that is a bit more than $1 per gallon, or 25cents per litre. are there other commodies sold in the billions where each 25 cents sells at street level for better than $1.36?
 

PoliticalNick

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anyone know if that is a 45 gallon barrel? if so, then that is a bit more than $1 per gallon, or 25cents per litre. are there other commodies sold in the billions where each 25 cents sells at street level for better than $1.36?

Your math is off a bit. A standard barrel of oil is 45 us gallons or 180 liters. At an average cost of $55 that is $0.305/L. That doesn't include refining or shipping. If we refined all our gas within Canada you could add about $0.10/L for refining and delivery. So the actual cost of a self produced Canadian gasoline would be about $0.41/L. You have to also account for taxes which are quite high and average about $0.50/L.

So if we had a self sufficient gasoline industry in this country and allowed the 6-8% profit that is that standard in the industry we could be buying gas for about $0.97 and the oil producers would still be making their billions on the crude, the refineries would make their share and so would the retailers. None of this even takes into account the extra 1.5 - 3 billion barrels the would be available to sell on the open market which theoretically could cover all the primary oil producers profit and therefore actually drop the price within Canada to around $0.75/L and everyone still makes money.
 

petros

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Durry, it's difficult to convey that reality to anyone that believes they have entitlements to cheap fuel, but virtually impossible in the face that some consumers can see "value" and justify a $4 Starbucks coffee.
I can make my own coffee for $0.12L but I can't make my own fuel with the oil seed I grow? Now there is one that really needs justifying.
 

cranky

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Your math is off a bit. A standard barrel of oil is 45 us gallons or 180 liters. At an average cost of $55 that is $0.305/L. That doesn't include refining or shipping. If we refined all our gas within Canada you could add about $0.10/L for refining and delivery. So the actual cost of a self produced Canadian gasoline would be about $0.41/L. You have to also account for taxes which are quite high and average about $0.50/L.

So if we had a self sufficient gasoline industry in this country and allowed the 6-8% profit that is that standard in the industry we could be buying gas for about $0.97 and the oil producers would still be making their billions on the crude, the refineries would make their share and so would the retailers. None of this even takes into account the extra 1.5 - 3 billion barrels the would be available to sell on the open market which theoretically could cover all the primary oil producers profit and therefore actually drop the price within Canada to around $0.75/L and everyone still makes money.
Thanks for the number. If i consider that the 6-8 percent profit exists at 75-99 cents per liter.......and the price in my htown is 136.9 / litre

Then

It looks like we are paying 30-50 percent more money so the oil industry can enjoy profits 300-400 percent higher than industry "standard"

I see no reason why they should be allowed to price fix every dealer in town. This one act should be criminalized.
 

Durry

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Not quite true.

If you want to look at raw production costs, free from any refining or shipping etc. then the cost to produce 1 barrel from the oil sands is about $50-55 and this is dropping as the techniques become better. The fact that we ship most of the crude out of the country for refining and then ship it back adds huge costs.

Now think about our production vs consumption. We produce between 4.5 - 6 billion bbls/yr depending on whose report you read, we consume about 3 billion bbls/year.

So if you want to talk about the oil industry contributing to our well-being the best way would be to increase the refining capability in Canada to match consumption, make it law that all the oil producers and refineries have to be Canadian owned, supply ourselves entirely at a much reduced cost and sell the leftovers to the highest bidder.

And just a little FYI - I see no value ina $4 cup of java from starbucks and have no I dea how they justify it.

I'm not sure how much refined product is shipped back from the US. I think Canada refines almost all the product it produces. I know this is true in western Canada but maybe a bit is purchased in eastern Canada, but it can't be much.

Building refineries is very expensive and nobody wants a refinery in their back yard, every says we should have more refineries until it comes to building one in ones back yard, then it's a different story. In Canada, it takes about seven yrs, from initial study phase to initial production, to build a refinery. They are not cheap.

I am dead against the government making any laws that makes financial decisions for the oil companies or any other private business. That idiot trudeau tried that and royally screwed it up. Not only for the oil companies but for the provinces and workers as well. I could tell you a lot of stories about how he negatively affected many peoples lives, that fk head!!
The oil companies will follow the money, if it makes financial sence to build in Canada, they'll do it, if it doesn't, they shouldn't. That's the way it should be!
Keep those idiots in Ottawa out of making financial decisions for private business, let private business do what it dies best and let gov do what it does best,,,errrrr raise taxes !!
 

YukonJack

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Why can't they just say how many litres? Litres are international, no US or British litres/liters.

Kind of similar to expressing speed in "KNOTS". Why not kilometers or miles per minute/hour?

Just wondering. Please don't attack me.
 

Durry

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Why can't they just say how many litres? Litres are international, no US or British litres/liters.

Kind of similar to expressing speed in "KNOTS". Why not kilometers or miles per minute/hour?

Just wondering. Please don't attack me.
Your absolutely correct about using Litres.
The only reason you still see US gal etc. Is because the Americans are very reluctant to change. But at the engineering level, almost everyone is using the SI system.

I dont know about the Knots thing.

Your lucky I'm in a good mood this am, no attacking so far!! Heh heh!!
 

Taxx

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In response to a couple posts a few pages ago, my local gas station doesn't charge for air.
 

Ron in Regina

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In response to a couple posts a few pages ago, my local gas station doesn't charge for air.



I saw this first last year locally. One dollar for air....& only at Perto-Canada's. Anyone that
complains at the counter, they get air for free. Those that don't complain, pay that buck.
I'm assuming eveyone will pay once it gets to be more common out here.
 

JLM

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I saw this first last year locally. One dollar for air....& only at Perto-Canada's. Anyone that
complains at the counter, they get air for free. Those that don't complain, pay that buck.
I'm assuming eveyone will pay once it gets to be more common out here.

With the gas price we are getting the screw and with the air price they are turning the screw! :smile:
 

gerryh

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The fact still remains, Harper told us that if Layton was elected to a minority or majority government, we would see a 5 cent increase per litre. Harper get's a majority and we have seen over 10 cent a litre increase. DOUBLE what he said we would get under Layton.