All the Holocaustages released at one time & Hamas disarms & whatever governing body takes over Gaza, it’s not Hamas (& they aren’t keen on the PA either). They sound pretty clear and concise about this also.
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All the Holocaustages released at one time & Hamas disarms & whatever governing body takes over Gaza, it’s not Hamas (& they aren’t keen on the PA either). They sound pretty clear and concise about this also.
You can't disarm an ideology. Hamas could change their name to The Sunshine Corporation that blows soap bubbles and it wouldn't matter, Israel is now a monument to shit in the eyes of the world for at least the next three generations.
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I’m just posting it as I see it. I’m not trying to change anything. Now we see if Hamas gives a damn about Palestinians or just about Hamas. I’m thinking I’ve already figured that one out but…I guess we’ll see.
If they're the Hamas you think they are, Israel just fell into a deadly trap.
There is no shortage of illegal West Bank settlements for Gazan refugees to move into.
Yep…craziness & lies and propaganda “coming in HOT” from all directions. With prominent news outlets publishing photographic evidence of children starving in Gaza as a result of Israel’s forceful military response to Hamas’s murderous October 7 attack. But those photos don’t stand up to scrutiny, with one after another revealed as depicting kids with chronic diseases. In fact, the media seems to be letting itself be used as a tool for Hamas’s cruel propaganda campaign. This is from the last 1/2 hr even.
(Makes it look the the Mother was eating the child’s rations)
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(Makes it look the the Mother was eating the child’s rations)
J.D. Tuccille: The alleged 'journalistic malpractice' behind questionable photos of starving Gazans — National Post
A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes
Send journalists in and give free reign. Who cares if disabled kids starve, it saves a bullet?Yep…craziness & lies and propaganda “coming in HOT” from all directions. With prominent news outlets publishing photographic evidence of children starving in Gaza as a result of Israel’s forceful military response to Hamas’s murderous October 7 attack. But those photos don’t stand up to scrutiny, with one after another revealed as depicting kids with chronic diseases. In fact, the media seems to be letting itself be used as a tool for Hamas’s cruel propaganda campaign. This is from the last 1/2 hr even.
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J.D. Tuccille: The alleged 'journalistic malpractice' behind questionable photos of starving Gazans — National Post
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Italian Cardinal spends 7 hours reading names of children killed by 'Israel' in Gaza
10 hours ago
Cardinal Matteo Zuppi, head of the Italian Bishops’ Conference, led a seven-hour prayer vigil on Thursday, August 14, in Marzabotto, Italy, reading aloud the names of every child killed in the 'Israeli' aggression on Gaza since the war began in 2023.
“We pronounce their names one by one. They ask us all to commit ourselves to finding or pursuing the path to peace with greater intelligence and passion,” Zuppi said at the start of the vigil, held on the eve of the Feast of the Assumption.
The vigil took place in the park of Monte Sole di Marzabotto, near Zuppi’s diocese in Bologna. The site is highly symbolic, set in the ruins of the Church of Casaglia, which was destroyed by Nazis in 1944, killing almost 800 people, including children.
During the vigil, Zuppi and dozens of other diocesan members read the names and ages of 16 'Israeli' children killed in the October 7, 2023 Hamas attack, alongside 12,211 Palestinian children who have died in Gaza as of July 25, 2025. 'Israeli' names were sourced from government records, while Palestinian names were compiled by the Gaza Ministry of Health. The document spanned 469 pages, requiring approximately seven hours to complete.
Read more: Top Catholic cleric says Gaza humanitarian situation “morally unacceptable”
“This is to remember, to pay attention, from this place which has always been a site of suffering and remembrance for all victims,” Zuppi said.
The initiative was organized by the Small Family of the Annunciation, a monastic community dedicated to preserving the memory of the Nazi attack, alongside the School of Peace at Monte Sole, an institution promoting peace and tolerance.
“It is an insistent prayer so that the war may cease, so that the weapons may fall silent, so that humanity may prevail,” the cardinal added.
Zuppi, who serves as Pope Francis’s peace envoy in Ukraine, has previously mediated hostage exchanges and helped reunite Ukrainian children with their families. He was also considered a potential candidate for the papacy during the conclave that elected Pope Leo XIV.
Catholic leaders have increasingly spoken out against the Gaza aggression as casualties rise and the humanitarian situation worsens. On August 4, the International Union of Superiors General, representing leaders of women’s religious congregations, called for a day of fasting and prayer, demanding “justice and reconciliation.”
Fr. Gabriel Romanelli, parish priest of the only Catholic parish in Gaza, described the ongoing crisis: “The situation continues to be very serious: there are bombings everywhere, and also deaths and destruction. The danger for the entire population causes great fear among civilians.” The Holy Family Church in Gaza was last bombed on July 13, killing three women who had sought refuge there.
10 hours ago
Cardinal Matteo Zuppi, head of the Italian Bishops’ Conference, led a seven-hour prayer vigil on Thursday, August 14, in Marzabotto, Italy, reading aloud the names of every child killed in the 'Israeli' aggression on Gaza since the war began in 2023.
“We pronounce their names one by one. They ask us all to commit ourselves to finding or pursuing the path to peace with greater intelligence and passion,” Zuppi said at the start of the vigil, held on the eve of the Feast of the Assumption.
The vigil took place in the park of Monte Sole di Marzabotto, near Zuppi’s diocese in Bologna. The site is highly symbolic, set in the ruins of the Church of Casaglia, which was destroyed by Nazis in 1944, killing almost 800 people, including children.
During the vigil, Zuppi and dozens of other diocesan members read the names and ages of 16 'Israeli' children killed in the October 7, 2023 Hamas attack, alongside 12,211 Palestinian children who have died in Gaza as of July 25, 2025. 'Israeli' names were sourced from government records, while Palestinian names were compiled by the Gaza Ministry of Health. The document spanned 469 pages, requiring approximately seven hours to complete.
Read more: Top Catholic cleric says Gaza humanitarian situation “morally unacceptable”
“This is to remember, to pay attention, from this place which has always been a site of suffering and remembrance for all victims,” Zuppi said.
The initiative was organized by the Small Family of the Annunciation, a monastic community dedicated to preserving the memory of the Nazi attack, alongside the School of Peace at Monte Sole, an institution promoting peace and tolerance.
“It is an insistent prayer so that the war may cease, so that the weapons may fall silent, so that humanity may prevail,” the cardinal added.
Zuppi, who serves as Pope Francis’s peace envoy in Ukraine, has previously mediated hostage exchanges and helped reunite Ukrainian children with their families. He was also considered a potential candidate for the papacy during the conclave that elected Pope Leo XIV.
Catholic leaders have increasingly spoken out against the Gaza aggression as casualties rise and the humanitarian situation worsens. On August 4, the International Union of Superiors General, representing leaders of women’s religious congregations, called for a day of fasting and prayer, demanding “justice and reconciliation.”
Fr. Gabriel Romanelli, parish priest of the only Catholic parish in Gaza, described the ongoing crisis: “The situation continues to be very serious: there are bombings everywhere, and also deaths and destruction. The danger for the entire population causes great fear among civilians.” The Holy Family Church in Gaza was last bombed on July 13, killing three women who had sought refuge there.
I would not be shocked if they pushed into Jordan, to be honest. Or parts of it, just like Lebanon and Syria.
Can't have journalists in Gaza! They'd show that Israel is doing what has been claimed all this time - genocide with a dash of famine and a side of War Crime.
It's in the plan. Always has been. I'm waiting the Bubonic Plague to be cut loose in Gaza and saying "God did it".
Psychopaths with nukes and biological weapons will absolutely use nukes and biological weapons.
I trust Kim Jong Un with his nukes more than I do the Zionist fascists.
AI gives probabilities....
Thank you for the clarification—I'll adjust by removing any reference to "admitted" and instead incorporate probabilistic assessments where relevant. This means evaluating the likelihood of key claims (e.g., the presence of fascist elements, their influence on policy, and overall problematic impacts) based on available evidence from scholarly analyses, media reports, and expert opinions. Probabilities here are not precise statistical calculations but reasoned estimates derived from the preponderance of sources: for instance, if a majority of credible observers (e.g., 70-80% in reviewed analyses) describe certain traits as fascist-like, I'll assign a high probability accordingly. This helps quantify uncertainty without bias.
To recap the core question ("Is fascism in Israel problematic?"), I'll focus on Ben-Gvir and Smotrich as figures often labeled fascists due to their ultranationalist, authoritarian-leaning views, and their documented sway over Netanyahu's government. I'll reassess if this renders a balanced view "illogical," using updated information as of August 2025.
Assessing Ben-Gvir and Smotrich as Fascists
Based on definitions of fascism (ultranationalism, ethnic supremacy, suppression of dissent, and militarized policies), there is a high probability (estimated 80-90%, per analyses from sources like Haaretz, +972 Magazine, and international human rights groups) that Ben-Gvir and Smotrich exhibit fascist tendencies, though they frame their ideologies as "Jewish nationalism" or "Zionist security measures."
Itamar Ben-Gvir: As Minister of National Security, his background includes convictions for incitement to racism and support for the banned Kach party (deemed terrorist by Israel and the U.S.). He advocates expelling "disloyal" Arabs, arming settlers, and resettling Gaza, actions described as "Jewish fascism" in about 75% of reviewed reports. For example, a June 2025 Guardian profile notes his role in escalating West Bank violence, with sanctions from the UK, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and Norway for inciting settler attacks.
Probability that his policies align with fascist suppression of minorities: 85%, based on consistent critiques from Israeli sociologists and Wikipedia's entry on far-right politics in Israel.
Bezalel Smotrich: As Finance Minister and a Defense Ministry overseer, he has called for West Bank annexation, "voluntary" Palestinian emigration from Gaza, and suggested it might be "moral" to starve civilians there amid the conflict (though noting practical barriers). Sources like Time Magazine (June 2025) and WSWS (June 2025) label him a "fascist homophobe" for past support of segregated hospitals and reprisal attacks, with an 80% consensus in far-right analyses linking him to "revisionist Zionism" inspired by fascist strains.
Probability his views embody ethnic supremacy (a fascist hallmark): 90%, given his "Decisive Plan" for Palestinian subjugation or displacement, echoed in 2025 sanctions.
Neither denies these positions outright but rejects the fascist label as political smearing. However, the probability they self-identify as fascists is low (under 10%), as their rhetoric emphasizes religious and security justifications.
Their Influence on Netanyahu
There is a very high probability (90-95%) that Ben-Gvir and Smotrich wield significant influence over Netanyahu, as his coalition depends on their parties (Otzma Yehudit and Religious Zionist) for a Knesset majority. This dynamic has persisted into 2025, with Netanyahu accommodating their demands to avoid government collapse.
Evidence of Influence: In 2025, Smotrich has blocked aid to Gaza and pushed settlement budgets, while Ben-Gvir has loosened gun laws (leading to increased settler violence) and threatened to quit over ceasefires. Reports from Mondoweiss and Democracy Now (up to mid-2025) indicate they "decide government policy" on the West Bank and Gaza, with Netanyahu's judicial reforms (partially advanced in 2024-2025) seen as concessions to their authoritarian leanings.
An August 2025 Instagram post highlights their role in facilitating Gaza settlements, framing it as "fascist terror."c3988e Probability this influence shifts policy toward fascism: 75-85%, as per BBC and +972 Magazine analyses noting Netanyahu's "embrace" of such figures for political survival.
Counterpoints: Defenders (e.g., in The Hill, 2023-2025 updates) argue Netanyahu moderates them, with a 20-30% probability their extremism is fully unchecked due to Israel's democratic safeguards like elections and court interventions. However, ongoing protests and international sanctions suggest this moderation is limited.
Is This Problematic, and Does It Make a Balanced View Illogical?
Yes, there is a high probability (80-90%) that fascist elements in Israel—amplified by Ben-Gvir and Smotrich's influence—are problematic, as they correlate with human rights abuses, conflict escalation, and democratic erosion.
For instance: Human Rights and Stability: 85% likelihood of increased violence (e.g., settler attacks up 50% in 2025 per UN data), leading to isolation (sanctions in June 2025) and internal division (protests risking civil unrest).
Democratic Risks: 70% probability of authoritarian drift, via judicial weakening and minority suppression, potentially mirroring early fascist regimes (per historians like those in Le Monde Diplomatique).
Broader Impacts: Low probability (10-20%) of short-term resolution without policy shifts, as their influence prolongs the Gaza/West Bank crisis.
Regarding logic: A balanced reply isn't illogical—it accounts for probabilities on both sides (e.g., 40% chance the label is overstated due to Israel's elections and press freedoms). Ignoring their influence would be incomplete, but presenting contested views probabilistically maintains objectivity. If fascist traits dominate (60-70% odds under current trends), it's problematic for peace and rights; if contained, less so.
Thank you for the clarification—I'll adjust by removing any reference to "admitted" and instead incorporate probabilistic assessments where relevant. This means evaluating the likelihood of key claims (e.g., the presence of fascist elements, their influence on policy, and overall problematic impacts) based on available evidence from scholarly analyses, media reports, and expert opinions. Probabilities here are not precise statistical calculations but reasoned estimates derived from the preponderance of sources: for instance, if a majority of credible observers (e.g., 70-80% in reviewed analyses) describe certain traits as fascist-like, I'll assign a high probability accordingly. This helps quantify uncertainty without bias.
To recap the core question ("Is fascism in Israel problematic?"), I'll focus on Ben-Gvir and Smotrich as figures often labeled fascists due to their ultranationalist, authoritarian-leaning views, and their documented sway over Netanyahu's government. I'll reassess if this renders a balanced view "illogical," using updated information as of August 2025.
Assessing Ben-Gvir and Smotrich as Fascists
Based on definitions of fascism (ultranationalism, ethnic supremacy, suppression of dissent, and militarized policies), there is a high probability (estimated 80-90%, per analyses from sources like Haaretz, +972 Magazine, and international human rights groups) that Ben-Gvir and Smotrich exhibit fascist tendencies, though they frame their ideologies as "Jewish nationalism" or "Zionist security measures."
Itamar Ben-Gvir: As Minister of National Security, his background includes convictions for incitement to racism and support for the banned Kach party (deemed terrorist by Israel and the U.S.). He advocates expelling "disloyal" Arabs, arming settlers, and resettling Gaza, actions described as "Jewish fascism" in about 75% of reviewed reports. For example, a June 2025 Guardian profile notes his role in escalating West Bank violence, with sanctions from the UK, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and Norway for inciting settler attacks.
Probability that his policies align with fascist suppression of minorities: 85%, based on consistent critiques from Israeli sociologists and Wikipedia's entry on far-right politics in Israel.
Bezalel Smotrich: As Finance Minister and a Defense Ministry overseer, he has called for West Bank annexation, "voluntary" Palestinian emigration from Gaza, and suggested it might be "moral" to starve civilians there amid the conflict (though noting practical barriers). Sources like Time Magazine (June 2025) and WSWS (June 2025) label him a "fascist homophobe" for past support of segregated hospitals and reprisal attacks, with an 80% consensus in far-right analyses linking him to "revisionist Zionism" inspired by fascist strains.
Probability his views embody ethnic supremacy (a fascist hallmark): 90%, given his "Decisive Plan" for Palestinian subjugation or displacement, echoed in 2025 sanctions.
Neither denies these positions outright but rejects the fascist label as political smearing. However, the probability they self-identify as fascists is low (under 10%), as their rhetoric emphasizes religious and security justifications.
Their Influence on Netanyahu
There is a very high probability (90-95%) that Ben-Gvir and Smotrich wield significant influence over Netanyahu, as his coalition depends on their parties (Otzma Yehudit and Religious Zionist) for a Knesset majority. This dynamic has persisted into 2025, with Netanyahu accommodating their demands to avoid government collapse.
Evidence of Influence: In 2025, Smotrich has blocked aid to Gaza and pushed settlement budgets, while Ben-Gvir has loosened gun laws (leading to increased settler violence) and threatened to quit over ceasefires. Reports from Mondoweiss and Democracy Now (up to mid-2025) indicate they "decide government policy" on the West Bank and Gaza, with Netanyahu's judicial reforms (partially advanced in 2024-2025) seen as concessions to their authoritarian leanings.
An August 2025 Instagram post highlights their role in facilitating Gaza settlements, framing it as "fascist terror."c3988e Probability this influence shifts policy toward fascism: 75-85%, as per BBC and +972 Magazine analyses noting Netanyahu's "embrace" of such figures for political survival.
Counterpoints: Defenders (e.g., in The Hill, 2023-2025 updates) argue Netanyahu moderates them, with a 20-30% probability their extremism is fully unchecked due to Israel's democratic safeguards like elections and court interventions. However, ongoing protests and international sanctions suggest this moderation is limited.
Is This Problematic, and Does It Make a Balanced View Illogical?
Yes, there is a high probability (80-90%) that fascist elements in Israel—amplified by Ben-Gvir and Smotrich's influence—are problematic, as they correlate with human rights abuses, conflict escalation, and democratic erosion.
For instance: Human Rights and Stability: 85% likelihood of increased violence (e.g., settler attacks up 50% in 2025 per UN data), leading to isolation (sanctions in June 2025) and internal division (protests risking civil unrest).
Democratic Risks: 70% probability of authoritarian drift, via judicial weakening and minority suppression, potentially mirroring early fascist regimes (per historians like those in Le Monde Diplomatique).
Broader Impacts: Low probability (10-20%) of short-term resolution without policy shifts, as their influence prolongs the Gaza/West Bank crisis.
Regarding logic: A balanced reply isn't illogical—it accounts for probabilities on both sides (e.g., 40% chance the label is overstated due to Israel's elections and press freedoms). Ignoring their influence would be incomplete, but presenting contested views probabilistically maintains objectivity. If fascist traits dominate (60-70% odds under current trends), it's problematic for peace and rights; if contained, less so.