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The IDF said on Thursday that starting in 2025, reservists will be expected to be called up for at least 42 days of operational duty each year. On Friday, Defense Minister Israel Katz confirmed that 7,000 draft notices are being sent to ultra-Orthodox recruits. The army said the ultra-Orthodox enlistment rate has remained negligible, despite over 3,000 conscription orders being issued since the start of the war. In recent months, 930 arrest warrants have also been issued for ultra-Orthodox men who did not report for enlistment.

The JKK? They refuse to work for a living, why would they do the IDF?
 

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Without Calling Out Israel, UN Urges Conflict-Involved Parties In Lebanon To Protect UNIFIL Troops

14 November 2024, 15:19

JAKARTA - The UN Security Council condemns attacks in southern Lebanon in recent weeks left a number of UN peacekeepers in Lebanon aka the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) injured.

Without naming Israel, 15 members of the UN Security Council on Wednesday, November 13 local time, urged all parties involved in the conflict in Lebanon to take all possible steps to respect the safety and security of UNIFIL personnel and facilities.

The UN Security Council also stressed that peacekeeping forces should not be targeted by attacks.

UNIFIL continues to maintain and monitor conflicts along the demarcation line bordering the Israeli military's drafting area.

Over the past year, fierce clashes have continued in Lebanon between the Israeli military and Hezbollah fighters who wanted a ceasefire in the Gaza Strip.

Israel accuses UNFIL forces of providing protection for Hezbollah. The UN peacekeeping forces in Lebanon include those from Indonesia, Malaysia, Spain, Ireland, Austria to France.

Israel has also ordered UNIFIL to withdraw its troops from southern Lebanon for their own safety.

However, the international forces refused to comply. On the other hand, UNFIL vowed to stay and carry out its mandate along the demarcation 'Blue Glass' between Lebanon and Israel, which was set by the United Nations in June 2000.

UNFIL actually issued a warning calling, "deliberate and direct destruction by Israeli soldiers against UNIFIL's clearly identified property constitutes a marked violation of international law" and UN resolution.
 

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Ok, read (skimmed) these again. They’re just as dated today as they were yesterday.

The PA is still just as uncorrupted as UNRWA, and Hamas isn’t as popular in Gaza as it was shortly after Oct 7th, 2023.
I’m talking about after the latest inning of this current goat rodeo, assuming both sides want peace over martyring their children.
Assuming the two-state solution actually eventually happens. What happens?

Do Israel & Palestine (whomever controls what chunks, etc…) negotiate something between themselves (?) or some outside entity dictates what will happen?

Do the Palestinians/PLO/Hamas/Islamic Jahad, etc…recognize Israel as a thing that exists & can continue to exist (?) & not just on an “interim” basis? Or is that not relevant in negotiations/treaties, etc…? Does the “From the River to the Sea!” go away, or just festers until Israel no longer exists?

Then the West Bank that both claim & occupy. Land swaps or not quarter, etc…?

Then security, mutual & individual, nationally?
Without naming Israel, 15 members of the UN Security Council on Wednesday, November 13 local time, urged all parties involved in the conflict in Lebanon to take all possible steps to respect the safety and security of UNIFIL personnel and facilities.
Yes, why on earth would Israel want to be involved in a second front (or third, or fourth) in the most recent inning of this goat rodeo? Why would they be doing that?
Could it have something to do with the thousands of rockets and missiles that Hezbollah started firing into Israel (from?) since Oct 8th 2023 (I’m sure that date is just a coincidence though)? Anyway, this is kind of a sidetrack to “What happens after this current goat rodeo?” but….
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….& how’s that been working out? Hezbollah pulled out’a southern Lebanon in the last two decades?? Right?

The Lebanese military pulled out’a southern Lebanon, Hezbollah entrenched itself, now that Israel is fighting back against Hezbollah…
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Israel has also ordered UNIFIL to withdraw its troops from southern Lebanon for their own safety.

However, the international forces refused to comply.
…Hezbollah literally has infrastructure under the noses & arses of the diligent UNIFIL in Southern Lebanon. Magically somehow, if UNIFIL has been fulfilling their mandate for the last 2+ decades.
Israel accuses UNFIL forces of providing protection for Hezbollah.
UNFIL actually issued a warning calling, "deliberate and direct destruction by Israeli soldiers against UNIFIL's clearly identified property constitutes a marked violation of international law" and UN resolution.
How is it possible for Hezbollah tunnel entrances, command centres, stock piles, & firing positions to be close enough to many UNIFIL bases….that they (UNIFIL and Hezbollah) could play extreme frisbee with each other? That’s kind’a suspicious…& there’s pictures in this very thread.
Anyway, that too is a sidetrack to the question of, what happens after this current goat rodeo?
I’m talking about after the latest inning of this current goat rodeo, assuming both sides want peace over martyring their children.
Assuming the two-state solution actually eventually happens. What happens?

Do Israel & Palestine (whomever controls what chunks, etc…) negotiate something between themselves (?) or some outside entity dictates what will happen?
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Do the Palestinians/PLO/Hamas/Islamic Jahad, etc…recognize Israel as a thing that exists & can continue to exist (?) & not just on an “interim” basis? Or is that not relevant in negotiations/treaties, etc…? Does the “From the River to the Sea!” go away, or just festers until Israel no longer exists?
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Then the West Bank that both claim & occupy. Land swaps or not quarter, etc…?

Then security, mutual & individual, nationally?
Anyway….Hamas isn’t as popular as it was a year ago with future Palestinians, but I am assuming it’s still much more popular than the Palestinian Authority (& that’s just an ass/u/mption).

Since the signing of the Oslo Accords in 1993, the Palestinian people have been presented with two competing, irreconcilable visions of their future.

One, posited by the Palestine Liberation Organization—a secular, though by no means democratic, group and the parent of the Palestinian Authority—envisioned a diplomatic process leading to a Palestinian state side by side with Israel.

The other, promoted by Hamas, a designated terrorist group and a member of the larger Muslim Brotherhood network, called for the establishment of a Palestinian state from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean—in other words, the destruction of Israel—to be achieved through violence.

The PA turned into a corrupt cesspool, & Hamas turned into a terrorist corrupt cesspool. Those were the two choices. To which one does billions of dollars get turned over to…to rebuild Gaza into what? Are either of these two entities even real organizations worth considering for after this toilet is flushed?

If not then what (in today’s eyes, & not year old dated pondering) are possible answers?
 

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They answered your question. Please remind me of who is facing three counts of corruption. Benjamin somebody somebody yahoo?

At least the war in Lebanon is legal except for the war crimes on the UN peacekeepers. They havent stopped either.

Try rewinding history to what was outlined in the Oslo Accords last time peace was attempted but ended with JKK radicals executing Israel PM Rabin before it could happen.

Breath deep....All of Israel's first Govt was formed from terrorists just as Netanyahu's govt is today. Traditional.

Why would they have stopped setting up the provisional govt of the soon fully sovereign nation.

Maybe one day PA will be as legitimate as the Jewish Power radicals?
 
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They answered your question. Please remind me of who is facing three counts of corruption. Benjamin somebody somebody yahoo?

At least the war in Lebanon is legal except for the war crimes on the UN peacekeepers. They havent stopped either.

Try rewinding history to what was outlined in the Oslo Accords last time peace was attempted but ended with JKK radicals executing Israel PM Rabin before it could happen.

Breath deep....All of Israel's first Govt was formed from terrorists just as Netanyahu's govt is today. Traditional.

Why would they have stopped setting up the provisional govt of the soon fully sovereign nation.

Maybe one day PA will be as legitimate as the Jewish Power radicals?
This is not 2023, or 1993, or 1967, or 1948.
It's 2024 Ron. Illegal means illegal even in 1967 or 1948 or 70AD. PERIOD! As a secular Christian you're being used, lied to and emotionally manipulated.
Time has moved on. Situations have changed, opinions have changed. Today isn’t last year, etc…I hear you there.
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Youre right, Palestinians picked up a lot more backing since last year.

There is no such thing as a secular Christian nor does Christianty have genders.
 

Ron in Regina

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Youre right, Palestinians picked up a lot more backing since last year.

There is no such thing as a secular Christian nor does Christianty have genders.
…what (in today’s eyes, & not year old dated pondering) are possible answers?
So….if…or when, this latest inning in the goat rodeo winds down, then what? What are the answers towards “actual” peace in the Middle East going forward?
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Asked and answered. Post 4182.

In essence, absolutely agree.

But I don't see it happening anytime soon because both sides are too stuck on "so and so killed my so and so!" regardless of when those deaths happened.

Blood for blood, feud for feud.

Hatfields and McCoys.

MacDonalds and Campbells.

Feuding goes back to when our hairy asses were still IN the trees.

It might be generations yet before it's enough.
 
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In essence, absolutely agree.

But I don't see it happening anytime soon because both sides are too stuck on "so and so killed my so and so!" regardless of when those deaths happened.

Blood for blood, feud for feud.

Hatfields and McCoys.

MacDonalds and Campbells.

Feuding goes back to when our hairy asses were still IN the trees.

It might be generations yet before it's enough.
Not if we nuke them. :)
 

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In essence, absolutely agree.

But I don't see it happening anytime soon because both sides are too stuck on "so and so killed my so and so!" regardless of when those deaths happened.

Blood for blood, feud for feud.

Hatfields and McCoys.

MacDonalds and Campbells.

Feuding goes back to when our hairy asses were still IN the trees.

It might be generations yet before it's enough.
Almost 800 years in Ireland. Then they stopped. WITHOUT any change in the status of Northern Ireland. And they had an entire culture of songs, stories, plays, and poems about how the Brits had murdered Grandpa, raped Grandma, and threw the family off the land.
 

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Almost 800 years in Ireland. Then they stopped. WITHOUT any change in the status of Northern Ireland. And they had an entire culture of songs, stories, plays, and poems about how the Brits had murdered Grandpa, raped Grandma, and threw the family off the land.

True.

Which is why I don't think the ME will ever reach "peace" for generations yet.

Unless you do want throw in the previous centuries of conflicts between the Arabs/Muslims and Christians/Europeans too into the equation.

As it is, there are still people who have issues with how Ireland is now so the 'fight' isn't over, it's just not bloody anymore.

Not sure the ME will ever reach that sensibility.
 

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True.

Which is why I don't think the ME will ever reach "peace" for generations yet.

Unless you do want throw in the previous centuries of conflicts between the Arabs/Muslims and Christians/Europeans too into the equation.

As it is, there are still people who have issues with how Ireland is now so the 'fight' isn't over, it's just not bloody anymore.

Not sure the ME will ever reach that sensibility.
I'll settle for "not bloody." People will fight over any damn thing, including "My corporate logo can beat your corporate logo in a game."

Throw in the previous centuries? Sure, why not? And we can throw in the previous centuries of internal and external conflict in Ireland and add another 800 years to the tally.

I'm not sure the ME will ever reach that point either. I just said it's reason to hope.