It shows just how little Hamas thinks of their own people. 1innocent Israeli citizen is worth about 100 Hamas terrorists.
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Apparently, it isn’t one to one, but what is it?
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So, at least we’re not getting delusional claims from either side of a “permanent” cease fire, as that would technically be “peace” which doesn’t seem to be in the equation.
Peace would involve both sides being able to live in peace beside or amongst one another, & that’s not possible it seems. From the river to the sea and all that on top of promises of a repeat of Oct 7th, repeatedly…so that makes actual peace impossible.
Once Israel has their people back, surviving & “not-so-much” hostages, do they then complete their war goal with Hamas without having hostages involved? Similar to the campaign to the north of Israel recently?
Are the Israelis gifting the Hamas/Palestinians convicts with parting gifts like pagers equipped with GPS? It’s not goodbye but see you later?
Do you want the real score? Reverse the numbers. 100 Palestinians for one Israeli.
Which “they” are you referring to? You’re gonna have to be more specific. Iran? Israel? Hamas? Palestinians? Hamas/Palestinians? Islamic Jihad & the other militias in Gaza? That’s the short list that doesn’t include Hezbollah, Syria, Lebanon, etc…
Until I know who you’re referring to, I can’t answer your question. It’s just too vague.
Are the two of you not saying exactly the same thing. Exactly…? 1/100 ratio?
Also shows how little Israel thinks of people in general since 1 Palestinian civilian - not Hamas - is worthless.
Hamas. Iran is the fall guy. Remember Saddam?
You want more aboot the list you mentioned?
You didnt read the post aboot A Clean Break starring Benjamin Netanyahu?
One more time. Either they had a time nachine to see the future or they planned it.
A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm - Wikipedia
No hate of Jews but Israel's current government has a huge hate on for Palestinians regardless of religion; Islam, Christian, Jewish...
Ok, Hamas didn’t lose. They said so. We’re suppose to believe what they claim without questioning it like the Hamas run Gaza Health Authorities exacting figures.
Israel hasn’t lost yet, as I don’t think this is over at this point. It’s a “cease-fire” which would be a pause in the fighting, right?
Or is a different definition being used for “cease fire” in this instance.
Iran? Well, we’ll see what the Iranians do now that they’ve seen that the Iranian Gov’t isn’t infallible after seeing Hezbollah implode. Iran hasn’t lost yet
, but their investment in Hezbollah isn’t doing so well.Hezbollah? Well, they didn’t win. Time will tell.
Palestinians? That’s intentionally complicated. The Palestinians (that aren’t Hamas or one of the other many militias in Gaza), I don’t think they can call this a win, but after a few generations of UNRWA indoctrination, they might see things otherwise.
Hamas/Palestinians? Well, this chameleon has already claimed today as a win, as they misplaced their uniforms for the most part for about 15 months but seem to have found them again now that the cease-fire is in place. It’s like the win you feel when you find the missing match to a pair of socks that somehow got misplaced in the dryer.
Until this is over, it’s hard to state who the winners & losers are, but in this negotiation for the release of Israeli hostages this round, Hamas is the clear winner of this negotiation if that helps any.
Then politicians in America, I don’t see them calling this a win either. Biden couldn’t accomplish much in the last 460 days without the threat of Trump coming into office, & U.S. president-elect Donald Trump repeatedly warned that failure to release the hostages, including seven American citizens, before his 20 January inauguration would result in "hell to pay", but I’m assuming he didn’t mean 3/98 or whatever by 20 January.
A diplomat told The Washington Post that Trump pressured the Israeli side to accept the deal, or at least stage 1 of this latest hostage exchange that started today. I’m sure both incoming and outgoing US presidents will claim this as a win that each single-handedly engineered.
During the first stage of the hostage release, Hamas would release thirty-three Israelis (mostly children and women), in exchange for Israel would release 30–50 Palestinians (starting with children and women) for every Israeli released…because proportionality…& this is the beginning of where we are now.
If things survive this next 6 weeks…then maybe they’ll agree to attempt the second stage of the hostage release, where Israel is told it would accept a permanent ceasefire and Hamas would then release the remaining living male hostages, both civilians and soldiers, for an exchange of Palestinian (notice they don’t say Hamas?) prisoners.
If things survive the above second stage of the hostage (or holocaustages I guess) release, they might enter the third stage of Hamas/Palestinians holding hostages & their remains for further ransom, where the remains of deceased Israeli hostages would be released, etc…so this, at this point, sure doesn’t sound like a win for the Israelis & it’s a big win for Hamas and Hamas/Palestinians & everybody else and their dog on the left side of the belligerent list above.
Did Bibi and Ben-Givr get what they wanted? No. Thats not a win.Ok, Hamas didn’t lose. They said so. We’re suppose to believe what they claim without questioning it like the Hamas run Gaza Health Authorities exacting figures.
View attachment 26939Israel hasn’t lost yet, as I don’t think this is over at this point. It’s a “cease-fire” which would be a pause in the fighting, right?
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Or is a different definition being used for “cease fire” in this instance.
Iran? Well, we’ll see what the Iranians do now that they’ve seen that the Iranian Gov’t isn’t infallible after seeing Hezbollah implode. Iran hasn’t lost yet
Hezbollah? Well, they didn’t win. Time will tell.
Palestinians? That’s intentionally complicated. The Palestinians (that aren’t Hamas or one of the other many militias in Gaza), I don’t think they can call this a win, but after a few generations of UNRWA indoctrination, they might see things otherwise.
Hamas/Palestinians? Well, this chameleon has already claimed today as a win, as they misplaced their uniforms for the most part for about 15 months but seem to have found them again now that the cease-fire is in place. It’s like the win you feel when you find the missing match to a pair of socks that somehow got misplaced in the dryer.
View attachment 26938Until this is over, it’s hard to state who the winners & losers are, but in this negotiation for the release of Israeli hostages this round, Hamas is the clear winner of this negotiation if that helps any.
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Then politicians in America, I don’t see them calling this a win either. Biden couldn’t accomplish much in the last 460 days without the threat of Trump coming into office, & U.S. president-elect Donald Trump repeatedly warned that failure to release the hostages, including seven American citizens, before his 20 January inauguration would result in "hell to pay", but I’m assuming he didn’t mean 3/98 or whatever by 20 January.
A diplomat told The Washington Post that Trump pressured the Israeli side to accept the deal, or at least stage 1 of this latest hostage exchange that started today. I’m sure both incoming and outgoing US presidents will claim this as a win that each single-handedly engineered.
During the first stage of the hostage release, Hamas would release thirty-three Israelis (mostly children and women), in exchange for Israel would release 30–50 Palestinians (starting with children and women) for every Israeli released…because proportionality…& this is the beginning of where we are now.
If things survive this next 6 weeks…then maybe they’ll agree to attempt the second stage of the hostage release, where Israel is told it would accept a permanent ceasefire and Hamas would then release the remaining living male hostages, both civilians and soldiers, for an exchange of Palestinian (notice they don’t say Hamas?) prisoners.
If things survive the above second stage of the hostage (or holocaustages I guess) release, they might enter the third stage of Hamas/Palestinians holding hostages & their remains for further ransom, where the remains of deceased Israeli hostages would be released, etc…so this, at this point, sure doesn’t sound like a win for the Israelis & it’s a big win for Hamas and Hamas/Palestinians & everybody else and their dog on the left side of the belligerent list above.
I think that this truce will be a test to see if it can be held in good standing over the time frame. One of the problems I see is Israel has been trying negotiate with Hamas, but is Hamas being told what to do by a foreign country? We hear that Iran is provide support for Hamas, and then in turn is Russia behind Iran? What is ironic is that the Palestinians are being treated like worthless pawns, let the Israels kill them off, let their land and buildings be destroyed, no problems being reported to iran and Russia, ( if they are involved).
one of the problems is that the UN is involved and in 1948 what they proposed for a solution did not solve the problem. Both sides of this solution shoved down each other’s throats, have done things to antagonize the other party.
one of the problems is that the UN is involved and in 1948 what they proposed for a solution did not solve the problem. Both sides of this solution shoved down each other’s throats, have done things to antagonize the other party.
I'd call it an accurate reflection of the relative value of Israeli citizens and Hamas scum.1 hostage for 30 prisoners? what kind of bullshit is that?
Here's what you need to know 472 days into the war
What happened today
■ HOSTAGES/CEASE-FIRE: Emily Damari, who was released from Hamas captivity on the first day of the cease-fire in Gaza, posted on Instagram that she is "back to my life, my loved ones, I'm the happiest person in the world. I'm grateful to my family and my best friends. I was able to see only a glimpse of [everything you've all done for me]. My heart is broken with emotions."
Mandy Damari, Emily's mother, said that her daughter's medical condition is "much better" than expected, the Hostages and Missing Families Forum said. "Alongside our great joy, it's important to remember that Hamas still holds 94 hostages. The cease-fire must persist until the last hostage returns home to their family," she added.
Meirav Leshem-Gonen, the mother of freed hostage Romi Gonen, said that the family "will need a moment to breathe and believe the reality we've realized together," adding that "there are still…loved ones who need this same reality to be realized."
Einav Zangauker, whose son Matan is held by Hamas, posted a video thanking U.S. President Donald Trump "for making this deal happen. You have done what no one else could! But now, extremists in the government threaten [PM] Netanyahu and openly demand him to violate the signed agreement and continue the war." Zangauker concluded by asking Trump to "protect the deal [and] make sure it is fully implemented."
Relatives of Inbar Haiman, who was killed in Hamas captivity and whose body is being held by the group, slammed Israeli lawmakers for not securing a comprehensive hostage deal that would see all captives released. Chaim Haiman, Inbar's father, said "Inbar meets the humanitarian criteria, and the cost of bringing her back is not high. Yet the prime minister didn't include her in the humanitarian phase because she symbolizes the failure of October 7."
The 90 Palestinian prisoners scheduled for release on Sunday night as part of the first stage of the deal were released after hours of delay overnight into Monday.
French Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot said France will keep fighting to obtain the release of the two French-Israeli nationals held by Hamas, Ofer Kalderon and Ohad Yahalomi, adding that France had "no news on their health status nor on the terms of their detention."
Russian Ambassador to Israel Anatoly Viktorov said that Moscow hopes that "that our fellow citizen Alexander Trufanov will also be able to return home," adding that Russia also anticipates that its other humanitarian requests will be taken into account by Hamas.
"Netanyahu has two ways to sink the agreement and find an excuse to renew the war. One option is to simply stall the negotiations for phase two, due to begin in 15 days, and waste time in the talks until the time expires. He performed this same exercise several times to Biden's team, which was too weak or unwilling to admit the reality of his sabotage. The second option is to provoke an outbreak of violence in the West Bank. The tinder is already flaring there: extremist settlers set fires to homes and cars in several Palestinian villages on Sunday night, at the same time as millions of Israelis were celebrating the three hostages' return" – Amir Tibon
■ GAZA: UN Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs Tom Fletcher said that more than 630 aid trucks have entered Gaza since the cease-fire began, with at least 300 of them heading to the north of the Strip, adding that "after 15 months of relentless war, humanitarian needs are staggering."
The Hamas-controlled Health Ministry in Gaza said that at least 47,035 Palestinians have been killed and 111,091 wounded since the start of the war.
■ ISRAEL: Far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich called for the resignation of IDF Chief of Staff Herzl Halevi, saying that he "is not mentally capable," and has "an aversion to anything that smells like control and occupation."
Smotrich told Army Radio that Israel needs "to conquer the entire Strip and establish military rule there. I want a Chief of Staff who understands that this is his mission, who stands behind it and is determined to implement it." Smotrich insisted that "there's no third party that can control the Strip, it's a bluff," and that Israel must control "Gaza for at least one to two years, with a combined military and civilian effort, until we eliminate Hamas and the population stops fearing it."
Thousands of people attended the funeral of Oron Shaul, who was killed in Gaza during Operation Protective Edge in 2014, and whose body was retrieved by Israeli forces on Sunday.
The IDF announced that Sgt. 1st class (Res.) Eviatar Ben Yehuda, 31, was killed overnight into Monday by an explosive device in the West Bank village of Tammun.
■ WEST BANK: Following the first round of Palestinian prisoners released as part of the cease-fire deal between Israel and Hamas, dozens of Jewish settlers torched houses and threw stones in several Palestinian villages on Sunday night. Earlier on Sunday, settlers' social media groups shared the names of villages that released prisoners are expected to return to along with calls to arrive at the villages and cause disruptions.
The Palestinian Health Ministry said Ahmad Rushdi, 14, was shot to death on Sunday by IDF soldiers in the village of Sebastia.
The local municipality head, Mohammed Azzam, told Haaretz that soldiers shot Rushdi while he was in the street outside his home and clashes were not taking place in the area, adding that residents were not even aware that soldiers had entered the village. The IDF said the incident is being investigated.
■ HOUTHIS: Yemen's Iran-backed Houthi rebels said they will limit attacks in the Red Sea corridor to ships "linked" to Israel, but warned they will resume attacks on ships associated with the U.S. and U.K. if they continued airstrikes against Yemen.
What happened today
■ HOSTAGES/CEASE-FIRE: Emily Damari, who was released from Hamas captivity on the first day of the cease-fire in Gaza, posted on Instagram that she is "back to my life, my loved ones, I'm the happiest person in the world. I'm grateful to my family and my best friends. I was able to see only a glimpse of [everything you've all done for me]. My heart is broken with emotions."
Mandy Damari, Emily's mother, said that her daughter's medical condition is "much better" than expected, the Hostages and Missing Families Forum said. "Alongside our great joy, it's important to remember that Hamas still holds 94 hostages. The cease-fire must persist until the last hostage returns home to their family," she added.
Meirav Leshem-Gonen, the mother of freed hostage Romi Gonen, said that the family "will need a moment to breathe and believe the reality we've realized together," adding that "there are still…loved ones who need this same reality to be realized."
Einav Zangauker, whose son Matan is held by Hamas, posted a video thanking U.S. President Donald Trump "for making this deal happen. You have done what no one else could! But now, extremists in the government threaten [PM] Netanyahu and openly demand him to violate the signed agreement and continue the war." Zangauker concluded by asking Trump to "protect the deal [and] make sure it is fully implemented."
Relatives of Inbar Haiman, who was killed in Hamas captivity and whose body is being held by the group, slammed Israeli lawmakers for not securing a comprehensive hostage deal that would see all captives released. Chaim Haiman, Inbar's father, said "Inbar meets the humanitarian criteria, and the cost of bringing her back is not high. Yet the prime minister didn't include her in the humanitarian phase because she symbolizes the failure of October 7."
The 90 Palestinian prisoners scheduled for release on Sunday night as part of the first stage of the deal were released after hours of delay overnight into Monday.
French Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot said France will keep fighting to obtain the release of the two French-Israeli nationals held by Hamas, Ofer Kalderon and Ohad Yahalomi, adding that France had "no news on their health status nor on the terms of their detention."
Russian Ambassador to Israel Anatoly Viktorov said that Moscow hopes that "that our fellow citizen Alexander Trufanov will also be able to return home," adding that Russia also anticipates that its other humanitarian requests will be taken into account by Hamas.
"Netanyahu has two ways to sink the agreement and find an excuse to renew the war. One option is to simply stall the negotiations for phase two, due to begin in 15 days, and waste time in the talks until the time expires. He performed this same exercise several times to Biden's team, which was too weak or unwilling to admit the reality of his sabotage. The second option is to provoke an outbreak of violence in the West Bank. The tinder is already flaring there: extremist settlers set fires to homes and cars in several Palestinian villages on Sunday night, at the same time as millions of Israelis were celebrating the three hostages' return" – Amir Tibon
■ GAZA: UN Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs Tom Fletcher said that more than 630 aid trucks have entered Gaza since the cease-fire began, with at least 300 of them heading to the north of the Strip, adding that "after 15 months of relentless war, humanitarian needs are staggering."
The Hamas-controlled Health Ministry in Gaza said that at least 47,035 Palestinians have been killed and 111,091 wounded since the start of the war.
■ ISRAEL: Far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich called for the resignation of IDF Chief of Staff Herzl Halevi, saying that he "is not mentally capable," and has "an aversion to anything that smells like control and occupation."
Smotrich told Army Radio that Israel needs "to conquer the entire Strip and establish military rule there. I want a Chief of Staff who understands that this is his mission, who stands behind it and is determined to implement it." Smotrich insisted that "there's no third party that can control the Strip, it's a bluff," and that Israel must control "Gaza for at least one to two years, with a combined military and civilian effort, until we eliminate Hamas and the population stops fearing it."
Thousands of people attended the funeral of Oron Shaul, who was killed in Gaza during Operation Protective Edge in 2014, and whose body was retrieved by Israeli forces on Sunday.
The IDF announced that Sgt. 1st class (Res.) Eviatar Ben Yehuda, 31, was killed overnight into Monday by an explosive device in the West Bank village of Tammun.
■ WEST BANK: Following the first round of Palestinian prisoners released as part of the cease-fire deal between Israel and Hamas, dozens of Jewish settlers torched houses and threw stones in several Palestinian villages on Sunday night. Earlier on Sunday, settlers' social media groups shared the names of villages that released prisoners are expected to return to along with calls to arrive at the villages and cause disruptions.
The Palestinian Health Ministry said Ahmad Rushdi, 14, was shot to death on Sunday by IDF soldiers in the village of Sebastia.
The local municipality head, Mohammed Azzam, told Haaretz that soldiers shot Rushdi while he was in the street outside his home and clashes were not taking place in the area, adding that residents were not even aware that soldiers had entered the village. The IDF said the incident is being investigated.
■ HOUTHIS: Yemen's Iran-backed Houthi rebels said they will limit attacks in the Red Sea corridor to ships "linked" to Israel, but warned they will resume attacks on ships associated with the U.S. and U.K. if they continued airstrikes against Yemen.
Qatar's Prime Minister said in Davos on Tuesday he hoped the Palestinian Authority would return to play a governing role in Gaza once the war with Israel comes to an end.
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Speaking at the World Economic Forum's annual meeting in Switzerland, two days after the ceasefire Qatar helped broker came into effect in Gaza, Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani cautioned that Gazans -- and not any other country -- should dictate the way the enclave will be governed.
"We hope to see the PA back in Gaza. We hope to see a government that will really address the issues of the people over there. And there is a long way to go with Gaza and the destruction," he said.
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How Gaza will be governed after the war was not directly addressed in the deal between Israel and militant group Hamas (???) that led to an immediate ceasefire and hostage releases after nearly 15 months of talks mediated by Qatar, Egypt and the U.S.
Israel has rejected any governing role for Hamas, which ran Gaza before the war, but it has been almost equally opposed to rule by the Palestinian Authority, the body set up under the Oslo interim peace accords three decades ago that has limited governing power in the West Bank.
The PA, dominated by the Fatah faction created by former Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, faces opposition from rival faction Hamas, which drove the PA out of Gaza in 2007 after a brief civil war. Oh well.
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Under the ceasefire deal, any female Israeli soldier released would mean the release of 30 Palestinian prisoners serving life sentences and 20 with high-term sentences.
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Ceasefire deal with Hamas is not a strategic victory for Israel, economy minister says — CNBC
Nir Barka also said that former U.S. President Joe Biden "restrained Israel," and expressed optimism about support from President Donald Trump.
"We hope to see the PA back in Gaza. We hope to see a government that will really address the issues of the people over there. And there is a long way to go with Gaza and the destruction," he said.
Hamas' tight grip on Gaza complicates plan for lasting peace — Reuters
In neighbourhoods levelled by 15 months of war with Israel, Hamas officials are overseeing the clearance of rubble in the wake of Sunday's ceasefire. The group's gunmen are guarding aid convoys on Gaza's dusty roads, and its blue-uniformed police once again patrol city streets, sending a clear...
Israel has rejected any governing role for Hamas, which ran Gaza before the war, but it has been almost equally opposed to rule by the Palestinian Authority, the body set up under the Oslo interim peace accords three decades ago that has limited governing power in the West Bank.
Qatar PM hopes Palestinian Authority will return to Gaza when war ends — Reuters
Qatar's Prime Minister said in Davos on Tuesday he hoped the Palestinian Authority would return to play a governing role in Gaza once the war with Israel comes to an end.
Four more female Israeli hostages will be freed this weekend, Hamas says — Guardian US
Announcement comes as Donald Trump says he is not confident ceasefire deal will hold