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Ron in Regina

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There wasnt a vacuum. The people that ran Palestine under the Ottoman Turks were the same people who ran it under Brits. At no point was it ever a free for all.
The vacuum was created in title, and promises, by the British (& the French, and the Italians, etc…). “Fight for God & King and we will….” Same type of promise that got a couple of my ancestors off Australia (via a stop in South Africa). If there wasn’t a land title free for all, explain “Transjordan” that became Jordan?
Zionists went terrorist killing and killing and killing. They didnt want Marxist Zionist Jews in the US Commonwealth or Europe so they said "fuck it, give them the piece of Palestine that already stole. We don't want that shit here."
Who’s They? What time-frame are you talking about? 1917? After the Mayor of Jerusalem & his “River of Blood” speech?
They all hoped the Arabs would do what they didn't get done. Finishing the rest off.
Again, who’s They? You’re describing the Nebi Musa Riot in 1920? The trigger for the next 125 (so far) years of violent goat rodeo?
Here's an eye opener....The Commonwealth, US and Europe were all in on the Holocaust. Nobody gave a shit about the camps. They all knew. It wasn't a big surprise.
Not surprised. There were a lot of moving pieces on that chessboard, before/during/after WW1, and pre-WW2.
Are you describing the ping-pong ball that was the Arab Nationalist “al Husseini” & his changing alliance’s of convenience before/into/through WW2? He eventually sided with Hitler & Hitler didn’t win that one…but al Husseini would’ve been on the inside of intelligence & shaping events throughout.

It was on May 2nd, 1921 that the Jews started fighting back, and have been doing so for 100+ years. “Zionists went killing and killing and killing?” Really? This happened in the aftermath of the Jaffa Riots of 1921.

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Or “so called” because the term is used for different definitions depending on the audience…etc…which audience would you fall into & thus which definition would it be used in for your…digestion of it?

And where reciprocal terrorism is wrangled in between Zionism/Jews and Iran/Palestine/Hamas/Houthis/Hezbolah/Islamic Jihad/and the many others (mostly Iran sponsored) then a two state solution will make sense again like the first many-many times it was offered & rejected.

If the Middle East ever gets their poop in a group, and stops trying to annihilate each other…I doubt that’ll leave Hamas as the Arab Boy Scouts of the region.

Ahhh…

My mistake. I don’t take that stuff to hart, & with humour I view it through the eyes of debate. No worries, & you can do better if you choose to (debate wise, ‘cuz I’ve seen & experienced it), and that’s why I pointed it out.

And what UNRWA has taught in the school systems for the last 1/2 dozen generations of refugees that qualify for their attention, into perpetuity, isn’t? Talk’n about brainwashing in a captive audience? Just try’n to balance out the narrative.

That’s horrible in a super-shitty way (!!), almost like a microcosm of what happened pre-reciprocally back about 10 months ago on a much bigger scale.

Indeed!

You’re not suppose to point that out as the history goes against the current Iran/Qatar sponsored narrative. This below though a dozen years old sums things up fairly comprehensively in less than a dozen minutes to that point, in the nature of balancing the narrative.

You know, you might have to define “rational” here as it’s a subjective term. What Hamas (&/or friends) believe is “rational” to them might not seem so to you & vice versa in the other direction.
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If you’d grown up in an UNRWA educational system, and been raised by young parents who’d also been taught the same, & so on…you might see your neighbours as disposable martyrs and the actions of Hamas as “reasonable.”
True that.
 

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They didnt want Marxist Zionist Jews in the US Commonwealth or Europe so they said "fuck it, give them the piece of Palestine that already stole. (???)
Whomever They are seems to include much of the Middle East Muslim majority countries also.
The Jews Zionist had already tried to buy what’s called Palestine from the Ottomans by offering to pay off all their foreign debt but that didn’t fly….so the Jews Zionists started buying land piecemeal in that neighborhood. Is that the “stolen” land you’re talking about?

The Ottomans sided with Germany in WW1, & lost. The Balfour Declaration tried for a two-state solution (the Arabs rejected it) and then TransJordan was quickly created & pulled out of the mix. The Peel Commission tried for a two state solution with what was left giving the Arabs 80% & Jews 20% (the Arabs rejected it) and started a war in 1948 (that they lost) where Egypt claimed Gaza & Trans-Jordan (now Jordan) claimed what’s now West Bank.

The Arabs were going to start another war in 1967 that Israel preemptively brought to them, & the Arabs lost, etc…so in the 1967 war (6 day war) Egypt (not Palestine) lost Gaza (& the Sinai Peninsula), Jordan (not Palestine) lost The West Bank, and Syria lost the Golan Heights. Is this the “stolen” land of Palestine you’re referring to?

You ever wonder why the current claims of wanting a two state solution based on the 1967 borders are wanted on the 1967 borders? Not the Early in 1967 borders where Egypt still held Gaza & Jordan still had the annexed West Bank…but after that? But not on this below map of the area in 1967…
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Israel then returned the Golan Heights to Syria, and the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt, in exchange for peace agreements. Is that the “stolen” land of Palestine you’re referring to? How did Egypt & Syria do on their sides of the peace agreements in exchange for having the Sinai Peninsula & Golan Heights returned?

Where are the 900,000 Jews tossed out of neighbouring countries in the Muslim majority Middle East countries suppose to go? 650,000 of them ended up in Israel. With a two state solution, would those Jews Zionists get their lands back that were stolen/seized/confiscated/forfeited in Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey, etc…? Or would some other solution have to be figured out? Or is that even relevant and only the Arabs (that started broadly calling themselves Palestinians in the 1960’s) claims of “land-back” matter in the current narrative?
 

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The vacuum was created in title, and promises, by the British (& the French, and the Italians, etc…). “Fight for God & King and we will….” Same type of promise that got a couple of my ancestors off Australia (via a stop in South Africa). If there wasn’t a land title free for all, explain “Transjordan” that became Jordan?

Who’s They? What time-frame are you talking about? 1917? After the Mayor of Jerusalem & his “River of Blood” speech?

Again, who’s They? You’re describing the Nebi Musa Riot in 1920? The trigger for the next 125 (so far) years of violent goat rodeo?

Not surprised. There were a lot of moving pieces on that chessboard, before/during/after WW1, and pre-WW2.
Are you describing the ping-pong ball that was the Arab Nationalist “al Husseini” & his changing alliance’s of convenience before/into/through WW2? He eventually sided with Hitler & Hitler didn’t win that one…but al Husseini would’ve been on the inside of intelligence & shaping events throughout.

It was on May 2nd, 1921 that the Jews started fighting back, and have been doing so for 100+ years. “Zionists went killing and killing and killing?” Really? This happened in the aftermath of the Jaffa Riots of 1921.

Happy Sunday!!
The US, Europe UK and the rest of the Commonwealth are They. None of they wanted them. None. Nobody supported the Zionists for 20 odd years until it became regionally necessary to limit Soviet reach. The real history.

Where did all this ass kissing support for an ideology that's only goal is to colonize by any means including killing the rightful occupants?

Why is it baffling that this ideology is opposed by the rest of the region to the point that they want it stopped?
 

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The US, Europe UK and the rest of the Commonwealth are They. None of they wanted them. None. Nobody supported the Zionists for 20 odd years until it became regionally necessary to limit Soviet reach. The real history.
The British bailed in the 1940’s. It was only (for the most part) after the 6 day war in 1967 where Israel held their own against a whole pack of Arab countries simultaneously that the US took significant interest in Israel. They (Israel) could be allied with for stability in the Middle East regarding the Soviets and “oil” nations..
Where did all this ass kissing support for an ideology that's only goal is to colonize by any means including killing the rightful occupants?
Who are the”rightful” occupants? Seriously. It’s an honest question.
Why is it baffling that this ideology is opposed by the rest of the region to the point that they want it stopped?
The Muslim majority rest of the region you mean? Is that what you’re asking? The “From the River to the Sea” crowd?
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Here’s a weird contrast though:
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The US, Europe UK and the rest of the Commonwealth are They. None of they wanted them. None. Nobody supported the Zionists for 20 odd years until it became regionally necessary to limit Soviet reach. The real history.

Where did all this ass kissing support for an ideology that's only goal is to colonize by any means including killing the rightful occupants?
The answer in a word? Oil.
Why is it baffling that this ideology is opposed by the rest of the region to the point that they want it stopped?
Nothing. Europeans run around taking land from the locals all the time. That's pretty much the last 500-odd years of history.
 
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The British bailed in the 1940’s. It was only (for the most part) after the 6 day war in 1967 where Israel held their own against a whole pack of Arab countries simultaneously that the US took significant interest in Israel. They (Israel) could be allied with for stability in the Middle East regarding the Soviets and “oil” nations..
The answer in a word? Oil.
Oil & the tail end of the Cold War with the Soviets…
 

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Oil & the tail end of the Cold War with the Soviets…
Tail end? Half the war, damn near exactly. If the Cold War was 1945-1989, and we got serious about Israel in '67, that's smack-dab in the middle.

Didn't have to be the Sovs, though. I'd say it was more about the U.S. and Aramco getting kicked out of all the Muslim countries in the ME, or at least told they didn't run things anymore. You live in roughneck country(ish). Surely you've heard the old guys talking about the days when roughnecks shuttled back and forth to the MENA to work.
 

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The answer in a word? Oil.

Nothing. Europeans run around taking land from the locals all the time. That's pretty much the last 500-odd years of history.
and Soviets arming the snot out of the Arabs and idiot Canadians and S. Afrika setting Israel up with nukes. A bunch of colonial whack job Marxists from Russia with nukes was a holy shit moment for US.

The JKK Zionists in TLV are as extreme as extreme gets.

They are no better than Hamas but they're our Hamas? Is that justification?
 

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Tail end? Half the war, damn near exactly. If the Cold War was 1945-1989, and we got serious about Israel in '67, that's smack-dab in the middle.

Didn't have to be the Sovs, though. I'd say it was more about the U.S. and Aramco getting kicked out of all the Muslim countries in the ME, or at least told they didn't run things anymore. You live in roughneck country(ish). Surely you've heard the old guys talking about the days when roughnecks shuttled back and forth to the MENA to work.
Throw in the fall of the British Empire with Soviets removing several royal families in Europe.
 

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and Soviets arming the snot out of the Arabs and idiot Canadians and S. Afrika setting Israel up with nukes. A bunch of colonial whack job Marxists from Russia with nukes was a holy shit moment for US.

The JKK Zionists in TLV are as extreme as extreme gets.

They are no better than Hamas but they're our Hamas? Is that justification?
Always has been when we (by which I mean the U.S.) arms, trains, and supervises vicious fascists around the world. We did pretty much the same in Central America, the Philippines, various parts of Africa and Asia. . .
 
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Always has been when we (by which I mean the U.S.) arms, trains, and supervises vicious fascists around the world. We did pretty much the same in Central America, the Philippines, various parts of Africa and Asia. . .
These JKK nutjobs are the only ones with nukes...so far.

It was cool a wanted terrorist up on corruption charges at home got a standing ovation in Washington.
 

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Who did the US dethrone during the Cold war era?
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Tail end? Half the war, damn near exactly. If the Cold War was 1945-1989, and we got serious about Israel in '67, that's smack-dab in the middle.
Half the war. The first half or the last half?
The ones we didn't remove, anyhow.

Again, by "we," I mean the U.S. If I recollect right, Canaduh's contribution was sending the usual two Mounties and a canoe.
That’s Three Mounties & Two “Battle” canoe’s…& currently they’re engaging the Houthi’s last I heard. I believe we kept the third “Battle” canoe in dry-dock for reserve, training, & repairs.
Didn't have to be the Sovs, though. I'd say it was more about the U.S. and Aramco getting kicked out of all the Muslim countries in the ME, or at least told they didn't run things anymore. You live in roughneck country(ish). Surely you've heard the old guys talking about the days when roughnecks shuttled back and forth to the MENA to work.
Got a Childhood Friend that I haven’t seen for days now…that shuttled back and forth from Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Yemen, Siberia, pretty much anywhere that ended in “astan”, most of the Middle East, etc…for years…5 in/out or 4 in/out. He’s under 60 years old…just say’n.
 

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Half the war. The first half or the last half?

That’s Three Mounties & Two “Battle” canoe’s…& currently they’re engaging the Houthi’s last I heard. I believe we kept the third “Battle” canoe in dry-dock for reserve, training, & repairs.

Got a Childhood Friend that I haven’t seen for days now…that shuttled back and forth from Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Yemen, Siberia, pretty much anywhere that ended in “astan”, most of the Middle East, etc…for years…5 in/out or 4 in/out. He’s under 60 years old…just say’n.
Ukrainian coal miner strikes in the Donbass and Lughansk ground industry and energy to a stand still. It spread like wildfire. We only saw the Polish shipyard strikes. Solidarnosc!
 
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Jew hate making headlines again after brief lull
Anti-Semitism is worse, now, than it has been since the Nazi era

Author of the article:Warren Kinsella
Published Aug 24, 2024 • Last updated 1 day ago • 4 minute read

It’s getting bad again.


At the start of the Summer, many of the anti-Israel occupations at universities and colleges were shut down, or moved on. In the streets, the pro-Hamas protests seemed to be happening less often. Things seemed to be getting a bit quieter.

Then this week happened.

Here’s a recap of the past seven days:

Across Canada, more than 100 Jewish organizations and people – from physicians to hospitals to synagogues – received a written death threat: “We placed many explosives inside your building. They are placed in black backpacks. You will all end up in a pool of blood, none of you deserve to keep living.” Police took the bomb threat seriously, and evacuated multiple locations to search for bombs.

At the Democratic Party’s national convention (DNC) in Chicago, thousands of Israel-haters surrounded the United Center while Kamala Harris, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton spoke. They burned American and Israeli flags, they breached barriers, they assaulted police, and they repeatedly called for violence to – as one sign put it – “end Israel [and] stand with Hamas.”


Meanwhile outside the DNC, a Nazi flag was held aloft, and greeted with Nazi salutes.



After a long, long delay, the Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE) finally asked their national vice-president Fred Hahn to step down for posting a wildly anti-Semitic video. However, they notably did not ask Hahn to step down as president of Ontario’s CUPE branch. And, the next day, they abandoned all decency and called criticism of Hahn’s anti-Semitism by Ontario Premier Doug Ford and Labour Minister David Piccini “completely revolting and unacceptable.”


An undated photo surfaced of Toronto’s Deputy Mayor Ausma Malik speaking at an anti-Israel rally beside the flag of Hezbollah, a listed terrorist entity in this country. Toronto’s Mayor Olivia Chow neither condemned it nor disciplined Malik.

Anti-Semitism and extremism, clearly, have come roaring back. They never completely left us, of course – there have been too many documented cases of arson and vandalism and threats throughout the Summer of 2024 – but it felt, for a fleeting moment there, that things just might be getting a little less awful.

Not so. The beast of Jew hate – and the hatred directed at the majority of non-Jews who support the Jewish state – is back, slouching through our streets towards its ultimate goal, a dark and antediluvian caliphate.


When we look at footage of the Israel-hating protests at the DNC or in our own streets, something is readily seen. It’s not that the majority are self-professed Muslims, necessarily, or that they belong more to one race than another.

It’s this: in Canada, in the United States, in Europe, the ones who detest Israel and the West the most are young. Specifically, Gen Z (from ages 19 to 24, roughly) and Millennials (from age 25 to 39 or so). Polling confirms the same thing: anti-Semitism – and even pro-Hamas sentiment – is surging among young people. But why?

Avi Melamed is a former Israeli intelligence officer. He has been paying close attention to the rising tide of Jew hatred both before and after the pogrom of Oct. 7.

In an interview, Melamed says this: “Young people very, very easily fall for sensationalized, romanticized images and rhetoric and symbols. It’s very easy to capture their hearts and minds and manipulate them. When you don’t have knowledge, when you don’t have basic educational skills like critical thinking and media literacy, you are not going to be looking for context and nuance. And it can lead to disaster.”


He pauses, then adds: “As long as you’ve got a combination of fast-food information, and young people who lack the basics in education, groups like Hamas will continue to excel on these social media platforms.”

And capture support and recruits.

Tal-Or Cohen Montemayor, the brilliant head of Internet watchdog CyberWell, pays close attention to anti-Semitism online and brings it to the attention of Meta (who own Facebook and Instagram), Elon Musk (who owns X), and others. Younger people rely on the online world more than any other demographic, she agrees.

“We know from history, and we know from the Holocaust, that anti-Semitism is one of the most destabilizing social conspiracy theories for any society,” says Cohen Montemayor. “When [CyberWell and others] warn about the popularity or the trendiness, the boldness of anti-Semitism in online spaces, we are warning about it for this reason: history has shown what a destabilizing conspiracy theory it is.”

“And every Western democracy is under the threat, right now,” she adds.

The evidence, Melamed and Cohen Montemayor and other experts agree, is everywhere to be seen: anti-Semitism is worse, now, than it has been since the Nazi era.

And young people, shockingly, are falling under its sway.
 
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Jew hate making headlines again after brief lull
Anti-Semitism is worse, now, than it has been since the Nazi era

Author of the article:Warren Kinsella
Published Aug 24, 2024 • Last updated 1 day ago • 4 minute read

It’s getting bad again.


At the start of the Summer, many of the anti-Israel occupations at universities and colleges were shut down, or moved on. In the streets, the pro-Hamas protests seemed to be happening less often. Things seemed to be getting a bit quieter.

Then this week happened.

Here’s a recap of the past seven days:

Across Canada, more than 100 Jewish organizations and people – from physicians to hospitals to synagogues – received a written death threat: “We placed many explosives inside your building. They are placed in black backpacks. You will all end up in a pool of blood, none of you deserve to keep living.” Police took the bomb threat seriously, and evacuated multiple locations to search for bombs.

At the Democratic Party’s national convention (DNC) in Chicago, thousands of Israel-haters surrounded the United Center while Kamala Harris, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton spoke. They burned American and Israeli flags, they breached barriers, they assaulted police, and they repeatedly called for violence to – as one sign put it – “end Israel [and] stand with Hamas.”


Meanwhile outside the DNC, a Nazi flag was held aloft, and greeted with Nazi salutes.



After a long, long delay, the Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE) finally asked their national vice-president Fred Hahn to step down for posting a wildly anti-Semitic video. However, they notably did not ask Hahn to step down as president of Ontario’s CUPE branch. And, the next day, they abandoned all decency and called criticism of Hahn’s anti-Semitism by Ontario Premier Doug Ford and Labour Minister David Piccini “completely revolting and unacceptable.”


An undated photo surfaced of Toronto’s Deputy Mayor Ausma Malik speaking at an anti-Israel rally beside the flag of Hezbollah, a listed terrorist entity in this country. Toronto’s Mayor Olivia Chow neither condemned it nor disciplined Malik.

Anti-Semitism and extremism, clearly, have come roaring back. They never completely left us, of course – there have been too many documented cases of arson and vandalism and threats throughout the Summer of 2024 – but it felt, for a fleeting moment there, that things just might be getting a little less awful.

Not so. The beast of Jew hate – and the hatred directed at the majority of non-Jews who support the Jewish state – is back, slouching through our streets towards its ultimate goal, a dark and antediluvian caliphate.


When we look at footage of the Israel-hating protests at the DNC or in our own streets, something is readily seen. It’s not that the majority are self-professed Muslims, necessarily, or that they belong more to one race than another.

It’s this: in Canada, in the United States, in Europe, the ones who detest Israel and the West the most are young. Specifically, Gen Z (from ages 19 to 24, roughly) and Millennials (from age 25 to 39 or so). Polling confirms the same thing: anti-Semitism – and even pro-Hamas sentiment – is surging among young people. But why?

Avi Melamed is a former Israeli intelligence officer. He has been paying close attention to the rising tide of Jew hatred both before and after the pogrom of Oct. 7.

In an interview, Melamed says this: “Young people very, very easily fall for sensationalized, romanticized images and rhetoric and symbols. It’s very easy to capture their hearts and minds and manipulate them. When you don’t have knowledge, when you don’t have basic educational skills like critical thinking and media literacy, you are not going to be looking for context and nuance. And it can lead to disaster.”


He pauses, then adds: “As long as you’ve got a combination of fast-food information, and young people who lack the basics in education, groups like Hamas will continue to excel on these social media platforms.”

And capture support and recruits.

Tal-Or Cohen Montemayor, the brilliant head of Internet watchdog CyberWell, pays close attention to anti-Semitism online and brings it to the attention of Meta (who own Facebook and Instagram), Elon Musk (who owns X), and others. Younger people rely on the online world more than any other demographic, she agrees.

“We know from history, and we know from the Holocaust, that anti-Semitism is one of the most destabilizing social conspiracy theories for any society,” says Cohen Montemayor. “When [CyberWell and others] warn about the popularity or the trendiness, the boldness of anti-Semitism in online spaces, we are warning about it for this reason: history has shown what a destabilizing conspiracy theory it is.”

“And every Western democracy is under the threat, right now,” she adds.

The evidence, Melamed and Cohen Montemayor and other experts agree, is everywhere to be seen: anti-Semitism is worse, now, than it has been since the Nazi era.

And young people, shockingly, are falling under its sway.
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CUPE criticism continues after Fred Hahn's anti-Israel posts
Author of the article:Kevin Connor
Published Aug 25, 2024 • 2 minute read

More CUPE locals have denounced the union’s Ontario president and is his social-media comments on Israel.


CUPE Ontario president Fred Hahn has been accused of anti-Semitic social-media posts since the Oct. 7 terror attacks by Hamas militants on Israel.

Hahn recently posted a video on Facebook showing an AI-generated Olympic diver — wearing a Star of David on his arm — leaping from a springboard and turning into a bomb falling on a building, an apparent criticism of Israel’s military response in Gaza to the attacks.

It was the latest problematic post by Hahn, who has accused Israel of genocide and the day after the Oct. 7 attacks on Israel posted on X that he was thankful for the “power of resistance around the globe.”


Hahn has refused multiple calls for his resignation, but now two more CUPE locals have rebuked his online posts.

CUPE Local 2977, which represents Bethesda Community Services workers in the Niagara Region, disavowed Hahn’s comments on social media.

“In response to last week’s social media posts made by CUPE Ontario president Fred Hahn, the executive of CUPE Local 2977 would like to acknowledge how harmful, hurtful and divisive it was. President Hahn’s stance on the ongoing conflict in Israel and Palestine does not reflect the opinions of our local nor the spirit of our union,” CUPE Local 2977 wrote in a series of posts on X.

“CUPE Local 2977 believes in respect, safety and justice for all. We also fully support the right to free speech, but believe it can be delivered in a way that’s respectful and humane to all.”



CUPE Local 1734, which represents education workers at the York Region District School Board, said it “recognizes the harm caused by Fred Hahn’s Facebook post has undermined the safety, dignity and inclusivity for all members.”

CUPE’s national executive board previously said it had “lost confidence in the ability of Fred Hahn to represent the national union in his role as general vice-president and calls for his resignation of that position.”

Hahn has said that he believes he has done nothing wrong.

“I have given many decades of my adult life to our union. It’s because I deeply love my fellow CUPE members and the work they do,” Hahn said in a recent statement.

“It’s why I’m both so sad and so angry. Trade unionists I have come to know and respect voted this week to overturn the democratic decisions of CUPE members. It is unprecedented in our union’s history and I’m worried countless CUPE members who are active in the Palestinian solidarity movement could be left more vulnerable and exposed by the precedent as they face similar situations as work.”

Previous requests by the Toronto Sun to Hahn for comment went unacknowledged.