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karrie

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Reading through the thread, I'd like to petition the group to grant 'assault rifle' the same status as 'hate crime'.

What else would you do with a rifle? What else would spur crime? Seriously? Where are the fuzzy bunny crimes being committed with cuddle rifles? What odd terms.
 

Tyr

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Tyr; Carrying a properly holstered handgun is far safer than carrying a rifle, (remember, these things are often loaded when hunting). While hunting large game with something like a .357 Mag, .357 Max or 44 Mag wouldn't be my idea of fun, or even humane, these firearms, and even smaller ones can offer a reasonable level of protection against the large predators or rutting moose on this continent should you be unfortunate enough to surprise one or be regarded by one as a snack. But if you can hunt a bird or bunny with .22 rifle, why not a .22 pistol?

Hanguns used for hunting large game use rifle ammunition. I have shot a Thompson Center Contender chambered for .257 Roberts. You can get it chambered for any caliber you want, even .410 shotgun, (though you could probably get it in .338 Lapua Mag, but I wouldn't go any higher than .308 Win personally). You can't get it in 12 ga. because the frame isn't big enough.

These handguns are of superior quality and accuracy than some rifles, I have shot a 1/2" group at 100 yds with the Contender. In this part of the country you won't see a deer 100 yds away unless you're in a clearcut area, areas they normally steer clear from anyway.

If you consider hunting a "sport", why not just ditch the handgun or AK-47 and use a crossbow. At least the "target" has a chance and you actually have to use some skill.

If you have a handgun or rifle of any sort and don't hunt for sustenance, you need your head read. You're basically a crime waiting to be committed
 

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If you consider hunting a "sport", why not just ditch the handgun or AK-47 and use a crossbow. At least the "target" has a chance and you actually have to use some skill.

If you have a handgun or rifle of any sort and don't hunt for sustenance, you need your head read. You're basically a crime waiting to be committed

Okay.....first of all, crossbows are prohibited weapons in Canada.

Second of all, the point of hunting is to kill your target as quickly and humanely as possible. While I have nothing against bow hunters, arrows do not have the velocity nor the ability to expand that bullets do: they do not kill as effectively, nor as humanely as firearms.

Thirdly, if you think hunting with a firearms does not require skill, you obviously have absolutely no idea what you are talking about......and teaching you would require more time and space than available on this forum.....

Fourth, obviously your lack of understanding of hunting, of history, of human nature, of criminology and of the essence of freedom leads you to arrogance, and assumptions that are downright stupid. Handgun owners are probably the most law-abiding identifiable group in the country.....we've already been checked out to the nth degree.

I submit that if you own a motor vehicle capable of speeds faster than 110 kpm.......you are a crime waiting to be committed.
 

bobnoorduyn

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Okay.....first of all, crossbows are prohibited weapons in Canada.

Ummm, sorry Colpy, not only are they not prohibited, but just this year NS approved their use for this year's deer season, bringing them up to date with progressive provinces like Saskatchewan and Manitoba. I hunted with mine over 20 years ago in Ontario.

Tactics are different than using a rifle, you do damn near have to see the whites of the eyes of your prey, effective range is, like a long bow not much better than 40 yards.

They do not kill by shock, like a rifle, but by exsanguination. It takes a different type of skill and great patience to be successful.
 

Nuggler

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Okay.....first of all, crossbows are prohibited weapons in Canada.

Second of all, the point of hunting is to kill your target as quickly and humanely as possible. While I have nothing against bow hunters, arrows do not have the velocity nor the ability to expand that bullets do: they do not kill as effectively, nor as humanely as firearms.

Thirdly, if you think hunting with a firearms does not require skill, you obviously have absolutely no idea what you are talking about......and teaching you would require more time and space than available on this forum.....

Fourth, obviously your lack of understanding of hunting, of history, of human nature, of criminology and of the essence of freedom leads you to arrogance, and assumptions that are downright stupid. Handgun owners are probably the most law-abiding identifiable group in the country.....we've already been checked out to the nth degree.

I submit that if you own a motor vehicle capable of speeds faster than 110 kpm.......you are a crime waiting to be committed.


Way back when Mark Lepine killed all the ladies in Montreal; shortly thereafter, someone was killed with a crossbow.......murder. Right away the anti's who were rightfully having a field day banning everything in sight, tried to get them on the prohibited list. Almost did. May have, actually, but it didn't last long.

Crossbows for deer have been legal since way back, here in Ont. There is actually a season for bows (and crossbows). Lasts till into Dec. I believe, but could be wrong on that since I no longer hunt.

They are also used for bear and moose.

Anyhow, just FYI.........
 

bobnoorduyn

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If you have a handgun or rifle of any sort and don't hunt for sustenance, you need your head read. You're basically a crime waiting to be committed

Tyr; That's as ludicrous as it is laughable. Is someone with a hammer a house waiting to be built? Is someone with a paintbrush a VanGogh waiting to be created? Is someone with a keyboard a Pulitzer waiting to be won? Wait a second, I have a handgun and am treated like a criminal in waiting, I also have a keyboard, that makes me a Pulitzer prize winner in waiting, why wait, send me the million$$$.
 
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Colpy

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Way back when Mark Lepine killed all the ladies in Montreal; shortly thereafter, someone was killed with a crossbow.......murder. Right away the anti's who were rightfully having a field day banning everything in sight, tried to get them on the prohibited list. Almost did. May have, actually, but it didn't last long.

Crossbows for deer have been legal since way back, here in Ont. There is actually a season for bows (and crossbows). Lasts till into Dec. I believe, but could be wrong on that since I no longer hunt.

They are also used for bear and moose.

Anyhow, just FYI.........

Nuggs you are absolutely correct.....I thought you were full of it, so I went and looked up Ontario's hunting regs.....and sure enough, they list crossbows!8O
 

Tyr

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Tyr; That's as ludicrous as it is laughable. Is someone with a hammer a house waiting to be built? Is someone with a paintbrush a VanGogh waiting to be created? Is someone with a keyboard a Pulitzer waiting to be won? Wait a second, I have a handgun and am treated like a criminal in waiting, I also have a keyboard, that makes me a Pulitzer prize winner in waiting, why wait, send me the million$$$.

Well... No. VanGogh's and Pulitzers enrich the world. You somehow think that having a handgun is a similie? Talk about someone who needs a reality check

Nobody has told me why they actually need a handgun. For the challenged, the emphasis is on "NEED"
 

Tyr

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Okay.....first of all, crossbows are prohibited weapons in Canada.

Second of all, the point of hunting is to kill your target as quickly and humanely as possible. While I have nothing against bow hunters, arrows do not have the velocity nor the ability to expand that bullets do: they do not kill as effectively, nor as humanely as firearms.

Thirdly, if you think hunting with a firearms does not require skill, you obviously have absolutely no idea what you are talking about......and teaching you would require more time and space than available on this forum.....

Fourth, obviously your lack of understanding of hunting, of history, of human nature, of criminology and of the essence of freedom leads you to arrogance, and assumptions that are downright stupid. Handgun owners are probably the most law-abiding identifiable group in the country.....we've already been checked out to the nth degree.

I submit that if you own a motor vehicle capable of speeds faster than 110 kpm.......you are a crime waiting to be committed.

right.....

lack of understanding of hunting, of history, of human nature, of criminology and of the essence of freedom leads you to arrogance, and assumptions that are downright stupid. Handgun owners are probably the most law-abiding identifiable group in the country.....we've already been checked out to the nth degree.


I don't hunt. I don't have to.

Owning a firearm has very little to do with freedom and even less if you are not threatened.

People who own handguns, Automatic or semi automatic rifles are generally people with very low self worth and self esteem. They feel that they need a weapon to somehow prove themselves and end up looking like.... people with very low self esteem and self worth. Quit deluding yourself and stand up on your own two feet
 

Colpy

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right.....

lack of understanding of hunting, of history, of human nature, of criminology and of the essence of freedom leads you to arrogance, and assumptions that are downright stupid. Handgun owners are probably the most law-abiding identifiable group in the country.....we've already been checked out to the nth degree.


I don't hunt. I don't have to.

Owning a firearm has very little to do with freedom and even less if you are not threatened.

People who own handguns, Automatic or semi automatic rifles are generally people with very low self worth and self esteem. They feel that they need a weapon to somehow prove themselves and end up looking like.... people with very low self esteem and self worth. Quit deluding yourself and stand up on your own two feet

Probably the single most moronic post I have yet to read on these forums......and that's pretty bad, considering there are a few people on here unable to construct a coherent sentence.

Cultural arrogance is what you suffer from, mt friend. You should climb down from your ivory tower, quit calling people you don't know "hill billy", or insinuating that they have "very low self esteem and self-worth".

Save your psycho-babble for your sessions in front of the mirror, please. You might be impressed.....I'm not.

Now, allow me to explain a couple of things to you.....first of all, democracy and firearms are parallel developments.....democracy would never have triumphed without gunpowder.........

Secondly, the right to keep arms has been the recognized conerstone of the status of a free man for over a thousand years in our culture.......

Never forget, the first battle in the modern move to democracy was fought when British troops moved into the American countryside.....to seize arms.

BTW, an armed man is the symbol of self-reliance, indepence in thought and action, and a refusal to be coerced. All good things, in my books.

Hardly the qualities of one lacking in self-esteem.
 

Ron in Regina

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right.....

lack of understanding of hunting, of history, of human nature, of criminology and of the essence of freedom leads you to arrogance, and assumptions that are downright stupid. Handgun owners are probably the most law-abiding identifiable group in the country.....we've already been checked out to the nth degree.


I don't hunt. I don't have to.

Owning a firearm has very little to do with freedom and even less if you are not threatened.

People who own handguns, Automatic or semi automatic rifles are generally people with very low self worth and self esteem. They feel that they need a weapon to somehow prove themselves and end up looking like.... people with very low self esteem and self worth. Quit deluding yourself and stand up on your own two feet


Tyr....I also, like you, at this point, do not own a firearm. Currently I live in
an urban centre. Aside from Gophers, I too do not hunt.

Just curious Tyr, but how would you know (as you claim you've never owned
a firearm) what someone who owns a firearm thinks, or feels, or their mental
or emotional states? This by your own admission isn't "first hand knowledge."
Where is this coming from?
 

Tyr

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Probably the single most moronic post I have yet to read on these forums......and that's pretty bad, considering there are a few people on here unable to construct a coherent sentence.

Cultural arrogance is what you suffer from, mt friend. You should climb down from your ivory tower, quit calling people you don't know "hill billy", or insinuating that they have "very low self esteem and self-worth".

Save your psycho-babble for your sessions in front of the mirror, please. You might be impressed.....I'm not.

Now, allow me to explain a couple of things to you.....first of all, democracy and firearms are parallel developments.....democracy would never have triumphed without gunpowder.........

Secondly, the right to keep arms has been the recognized conerstone of the status of a free man for over a thousand years in our culture.......

Never forget, the first battle in the modern move to democracy was fought when British troops moved into the American countryside.....to seize arms.

BTW, an armed man is the symbol of self-reliance, indepence in thought and action, and a refusal to be coerced. All good things, in my books.

Hardly the qualities of one lacking in self-esteem.

Thanks. Spoken like a true redneck hillbilly

Coming from someone who's qualifications are minimal, I'm underwhelmed....


Your arguments are specious at best and lack any solid societal trends. Picking bits and pieces out of wikipedia, does not reveal much of a critical or arbitrary mind.

If you have a valid argument, please post one. If you want to post "National Enquirer" type diatribes, I'll just skip your posts and debate with the informed
 

Tyr

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And an armed society enriches the world.........it maintains its freedom, a valuable thing.[/


uh huh. I'm sure, in your mind it does. An "armed society" has very little to do with freedom. Social justice has everything to do with freedom. Try in your own warped thinking to differentiate the two. They are not mutually inclusive
 

Tyr

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And an armed society enriches the world.........it maintains its freedom, a valuable thing

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe


That being said, A firearm in of itself does not make one "free" True freedom is being able to differentiate between right and wrong and the common good. Not basing decisions on "us" and "them"

That's exclusion, not freedom
 

shadowshiv

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Let's keep the personal insults away from this thread, shall we? Just because a person likes to hunt or likes to own a weapon does not mean they are hillbillies. Stop the insults.
 
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Tyr

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Let's keep the personal insults away from this thread, shall we? Just because a person likes to hunt or likes to own a weapon does not mean they are hillbillies. Stop the insults.


Probably the single most moronic post I have yet to read on these forums......and that's pretty bad, considering there are a few people on here unable to construct a coherent sentence.

Shall we...
 

karrie

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Probably the single most moronic post I have yet to read on these forums......and that's pretty bad, considering there are a few people on here unable to construct a coherent sentence.

Shall we...

From insulting a post to racial slurs is a pretty big leap.
 

shadowshiv

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Probably the single most moronic post I have yet to read on these forums......and that's pretty bad, considering there are a few people on here unable to construct a coherent sentence.

Shall we...

Once more and you can have some time off.
 

Ron in Regina

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Probably the single most moronic post I have yet to read on these forums......and that's pretty bad, considering there are a few people on here unable to construct a coherent sentence.

Shall we...


Tyr....I also, like you, at this point, do not own a firearm. Currently I live in
an urban centre. Aside from Gophers, I too do not hunt.

Just curious Tyr, but how would you know (as you claim you've never owned
a firearm) what someone who owns a firearm thinks, or feels, or their mental
or emotional states? This by your own admission isn't "first hand knowledge."
Where is this coming from?

P.S. Do I qualify for "HillBilly Status"? Just curious....
 
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