Gunfight at Abbottabad: Dismantling the Myth of an American Hero

Johnny Utah

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If Bin Laden was killed while he was jerking off the lingerie section of the Sears catalog so what? He was responsible for killing a lot of innocent people, not just Americans and Canadians on 9/11 but Muslims, Africans etc.

These apologists who continue to dissect how he was killed can go Frak themselves!!!!!
 

YukonJack

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Sorry, ironsides, but I don't believe a single word from a news organization whose very name is a LIE!

Naked News? Really? How about those bikinis? Naked, indeed!
 

EagleSmack

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In reality, historians are still debating whether Wyatt Earp was a heroic lawman or settling a personal feud in the town of Tombstone, Arizona. Many cowboys were either poor blacks or Mexican, not daredevil fighters. And Geronimo came from a long tribal history of defending his people against Spanish settlers, Mexican and U.S. soldiers who were stealing the land of the Chiricahua Apache.

So Billy and Ike Clanton and the two McLaury Brothers were poor black Mexicans?

What garbage. Do you even check what you post? Some cowboys were either black or Mexican but many and most were white.

And although the Earps and Doc Holliday were shady characters the Clanton and McLaury Bros. were worse. Ike Clanton spent the morning of the gunfight walking around Tombstone with a shotgun looking for Holliday to kill him by all accounts. Sadly the biggest mouth of all of them, Ike Clanton went off running as the shooting started leaving his little brother Billy dying and screaming in the street... also with a smoking gun in his hands.

Now he is fish food.

I wonder if he's fish turd by now. Hmmmm.
 

PoliticalNick

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Lets be real just for a minute. There are so many fatal flaws in the whole story it becomes laughable before its half over.

I would just for fun start with how this was in close proximity to a military academy and base in a town where you needed special passes to get in and out, which means there was a heavy police presence, and yet multiple choppers landed, multiple people were shot and killed, many guns were fired repeatedly in the process, computers were packed up, rooms were searched thoroughly enough to find thumb drives and CDs, a few pictures were taken and after 40 minutes the said choppers took off and flew away all before there was any response from the local police or military.

Does anybody find this maybe just a little questionable if not even incredulous?
 

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Oh....and Bill Maher is exactly who I'm going to tuirn to when I am in need of advice on Christian theology!

Spare me.......

Christianity is a tolerant, peaceful religion.

It is NOT pacifist.

"Turn the other cheek" is solid advice, it means "do not take offense easily, do whatever you can to avoid conflict with your neighbour".

It does not mean let him kill 3,000 of your brothers and sisters with impunity. Nor does it mean roll over in the face of violence........I give you the gospel according to Luke 22:36; Christ to his disciples:

"and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."


The disciples responded that they possessed two swords. And, Christ in his perfect equanimity said, "It is enough."


It was no accident the boys were armed when the soldiers came to arrest Christ.

Self-defense, personally, or as a nation is not sin.

Bill Maher is an idiot.
 

damngrumpy

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Lets see the sheriff operates in a war zone. Not likely, the fact is there is a war going on
with fundamentalist Muslims and the leader's hideout is found. The western cowboys should
do what? Get the paperwork done and request that he be turned over for justice? Should they
try to arrest him and give him a soap box to spread his crap for years to come, or just kill the
enemy. They played it safe they killed him and fed him to the fish, without submitting to all the
rules of war nonsense that is merely fodder for the civilians. Obama and the United States
did the right thing. I only hope they go kill more of them this way. These people and I use the
term loosely, like Osama Bin Ladin are common variety killers and assorted criminals. it is
not like we are targeting heads of state they are our enemies with no valid political status.
Go anywhere under any circumstances and kill them. Their organization can't really complain
they go about killing innocent people all the time, so the west wiping out guilty criminals is fine
with me. Same with that little creep in Libya, its time to target him and get him.
Usually I don't support this kind of thing, but we are involved in a war with the Muslim world and
I know there are all kinds of people who claim we are not, the fact is we are.
Its time we took care of business before it gets any worse. I know we violated another countries
political space and all that, but think about it, America gives these people over 4 billion a year in
aid and what do the Pakistanies do in return? The hide a monster in their midst, a fellow Muslim.
and killer and he got what he deserved.
 

Colpy

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Lets be real just for a minute. There are so many fatal flaws in the whole story it becomes laughable before its half over.

I would just for fun start with how this was in close proximity to a military academy and base in a town where you needed special passes to get in and out, which means there was a heavy police presence, and yet multiple choppers landed, multiple people were shot and killed, many guns were fired repeatedly in the process, computers were packed up, rooms were searched thoroughly enough to find thumb drives and CDs, a few pictures were taken and after 40 minutes the said choppers took off and flew away all before there was any response from the local police or military.

Does anybody find this maybe just a little questionable if not even incredulous?

It was Pakistan..........the academy was a kilometer away. The weapons may well have been suppressed. Most of the shooting was done inside, and that portion would have been inaudible a kilometer away..........

Put it this way.........I work at a high security installation.

We are in city limits.

Police ERT response time for us?

60 minutes. Minimum.

i don't find it hard to believe at all..........
 
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ironsides

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There is a vivid key detail in this verse that speaks volumes. Jesus said, if someone “strikes you on the right cheek” then you are to turn your face to him in such a way as to present your left cheek. The implication being that he may hit you again. What is the significance of the “right” cheek. Why not the left cheek? Picture someone getting hit on the right cheek. What is the most likely way for that to happen? Since most people are right handed and would hit someone with the right hand, then the only way for them to hit someone on the right cheek is to do it as a backhanded slap. What Jesus is speaking about here is not letting someone pummel you into a pile of broken bones. Rather He is talking about taking an insult. A backhanded slap is just that. It is an insult that challenges you to retaliate. It is an attempt to shame you and get you to either back down in utter humiliation or lash out and escalate the conflict. Someone tries to kill you, by all means either run what some of you are good at or fight back.
 

petros

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Christianity is a tolerant, peaceful religion.
Here ya go. You earned it.

 

MHz

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In a slightly racist way my first thought was a modification of 'Blazing Saddles' was unfolding but then it might be a case of Lee Marvin and his horse sharing a moment in 'Paint your Wagon'.

Somebody sneak in and get the utility bills as far back as it goes, tax records also, ...... unless he was able to erase all those things, ...... before departure.

Can a heroin addict enter heaven?

There is a vivid key detail in this verse that speaks volumes. Jesus said, if someone “strikes you on the right cheek” then you are to turn your face to him in such a way as to present your left cheek. The implication being that he may hit you again. What is the significance of the “right” cheek. Why not the left cheek? Picture someone getting hit on the right cheek. What is the most likely way for that to happen? Since most people are right handed and would hit someone with the right hand, then the only way for them to hit someone on the right cheek is to do it as a backhanded slap. What Jesus is speaking about here is not letting someone pummel you into a pile of broken bones. Rather He is talking about taking an insult. A backhanded slap is just that. It is an insult that challenges you to retaliate. It is an attempt to shame you and get you to either back down in utter humiliation or lash out and escalate the conflict. Someone tries to kill you, by all means either run what some of you are good at or fight back.
That has a limit, as does all things, in this case it is 70 x 7. In our society the first slap would result in the person being arrested by the 'sword', a good Christian would then sue your ass off after you have a guilty verdict in criminal behavior the civil suit is a breeze to get a conviction in.

Another defensive move would be to attach your knee to your cheek in a reflex type of mode, a quick but firm (forgiveness hug) and an even quicker upthrust of a knee in an attempt to give the person some material for a stronger spine. Repeat as necessary.
 

petros

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If someone is hitting your right cheek it means they nailed you with a left. Turning your other cheek means "get ready because they are going to try even harder when nailing you with a right."
 

MHz

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Ever notice how it actually happens faster than it takes to type it out? If you have time to say (in a quiet voice so only the 'attacker' can hear), "Please forgive me God for what I am about to do." will sometimes give you an opening to 'remove the slap option' (really a slap is not life (or limb) threatening, If mild attacks are to be 'tolerated' then a few words should be even less reason for getting pissed off (and seeking retribution).
 

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Oh....and Bill Maher is exactly who I'm going to tuirn to when I am in need of advice on Christian theology!

Spare me.......

Bill Maher is an idiot.
Bill Maher is a comedian and you can't take a joke. I worry about people who can't laugh at themselves. And I think Bill Maher is right on. You just proved it.
 

Colpy

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Bill Maher is a comedian and you can't take a joke. I worry about people who can't laugh at themselves. And I think Bill Maher is right on. You just proved it.

If Bill Maher is a comedian, and should be taken lightly.........

then so is Ann Coulter.

And yes, I can take a joke.....if it is funny.

And yes, I understand his "point", the problem being that his basic premise is entirely incorrect.

That makes the comment insulting, irrelevant.......and not funny.
 

ironsides

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In a slightly racist way my first thought was a modification of 'Blazing Saddles' was unfolding but then it might be a case of Lee Marvin and his horse sharing a moment in 'Paint your Wagon'.

Somebody sneak in and get the utility bills as far back as it goes, tax records also, ...... unless he was able to erase all those things, ...... before departure.

Can a heroin addict enter heaven?


That has a limit, as does all things, in this case it is 70 x 7. In our society the first slap would result in the person being arrested by the 'sword', a good Christian would then sue your ass off after you have a guilty verdict in criminal behavior the civil suit is a breeze to get a conviction in.

Another defensive move would be to attach your knee to your cheek in a reflex type of mode, a quick but firm (forgiveness hug) and an even quicker upthrust of a knee in an attempt to give the person some material for a stronger spine. Repeat as necessary.
At my age, just shot them. :)