Gun-toting woman divides community

[Tyr]

IMHO, you might as well go to some guy with a bone through his nose that guts chickens and looks into their entrails to see the truth, as go to a psychologist or psychiatrist.

The guy with the bone through his nose might be a con man, but every one in the psyche industry I have ever met is nuttier than a fruitcake.......

She has no history of criminality or insanity.....all that is necessary.

Obviously, considering the success of the "right to Carry" movement in the USA since 1989.

Humble opinion. You have some humility???

I see she doesn't have to have a psychological assessment and hence IMHO she's a nutbar.

She has no history of criminality or insanity.....all that is necessary.

Now that is truely scary. she's very obviously a "little off" to be diplomatic. Glad I don't live in the good 'ol US of A, where the guns are free and the bullets are flyin'

 

[Vanni Fucci]

I remember years ago reading an article about California......where carrying Mace was a felony, while carrying an unlicenced handgun was a misdemeanor.....at the time.:smile:

Yep...funny that...:-?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

@ VF, in most provinces and states you do have a right to carry a plainly visible knife on you as long as it is of a certain size or smaller (ie, no machete)

Nowhere that I know of allows you to carry a lead pipe for protection.

...and about the knife, if the blade is 6 inches or less, it's permissible to carry in plain sight, but if you ever told a cop that you carry it for protection, it would be taken away and you'd be charged with a weapon offense...

 

[Zzarchov]

And I just explained all the safety features and precautions in place, there were several factors which make it more safer.

A gun holstered on the hip of my drunk and passed out mother who's loaded on pain killers? Hmmm..... I flip that little piece of leather from the button thingy, oh, the gun comes right out now. Wonderful..... oh, and there's that tempting red button again.

I've tried to wake up mommy a few times already but she just keeps ignoring me, so maybe if I aim this in the air and squeeze off a few rounds, that'll wake her up....... hmmm..... that dam red button again...... ah there we go.

So now you are making the asumption this mom must be passed out and full of painkillers with a gun still at her side.

So if she's wacked out on painkillers you don't think that the safety seal might be off and they are just laying on the table.

You know, painkillers, the little pills that look just like M&M's and even have the exact same coating these days?

Yes, what kid wouldn't mow down a mouth full of candy left unattended on the table.

And this doped up mother of which you speak wouldn't even wake up until hours after the kid had died.

Of course, we were discussing the woman in the original post, not this drugged up woman you invented to fit your case (and then forgot would fit mine as well)

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But seriously, I've heard a lot more reports of kids shooting themselves or others with their parents or brother's firearms they find in end tables by their beds, or in their closets while looking for porn, then I do of kids finding bitter tasting pills to slam down. Kids are more desensitized towards firearms and think they're cool action toys from TV and video games, then they do when it comes to popping pills thinking they're candy.

And I don't remember the last time I ever seen Px pills that looked like candy.

Reports perhaps, but kids eat medication and cleaning chemicals all the fricken time. Most medication these days is candy coated.

Perhaps you missed the fact so many kids were dying they needed special advertising aimed at kids to fill the airwaves:

YouTube - Don't you put it in your mouth.


Seem familiar?

 

[tracy]

That lady is nuts.

Honestly, they will ask anyone acting strangely to leave a child's area or a store so I don't see the big problem she has. No one has a right to shop at Walmart. Having a gun on your hip like that because you were in a car accident once qualifies as strange.

 

[Zzarchov]

That lady is nuts.

Honestly, they will ask anyone acting strangely to leave a child's area or a store so I don't see the big problem she has. No one has a right to shop at Walmart. Having a gun on your hip like that because you were in a car accident once qualifies as strange.

I agree, none the less, its not a crime to be strange.

I consider many behaviours of others strange, but US (and Canadian more so) laws clearly state that you can't kick some people (and not all) out of your private property because their values offend you or seem strange.

 

[Tyr]

That lady is nuts.

Honestly, they will ask anyone acting strangely to leave a child's area or a store so I don't see the big problem she has. No one has a right to shop at Walmart. Having a gun on your hip like that because you were in a car accident once qualifies as strange.

Referring to her as "strange" is VERY diplomatic of you Tracy. She's a homicide waiting to happen

 

[Praxius]

So now you are making the asumption this mom must be passed out and full of painkillers with a gun still at her side.

Nobody's perfect.

Other people here have been making all kinds of assumptions as to how guns could have prevented certain situations, which of course can not be proven one way or another..... so I saw it only fitting to throw out one of many possible situations that could arise from this.

So if she's wacked out on painkillers you don't think that the safety seal might be off and they are just laying on the table.

The table, the purse, what's the difference? The gun holstered on the hip or lying on the table.... what's the difference? A couple of feet.

And pain killers don't hit you within seconds, so if she was anything like me, they'd be put away as soon as they were taken.

If this woman is paranoid enough to think she needs a gun with her at a soccor practice, then she's probably paranoid to take her gun with her to a party to get her drunk on, because people are more prone to fighting and arguing with alcohol in the mix.

And nobody is perfect all the time..... all it takes is her to screw up once and somebody is dead, perhaps one of her children.

Then again maybe that's what is needed for her to clue in that she's screwed in the head.

You know, painkillers, the little pills that look just like M&M's and even have the exact same coating these days?

Nope, never seen ones that look like M&Ms.

Yes, what kid wouldn't mow down a mouth full of candy left unattended on the table.

First it was in her purse, now all of a sudden they're on the table, just like a firearm could be placed..... you're certainly not being very consistant.

And my brother and I have had out little moments of trying to take pills we thought were candy..... the difference is that I actually chew my food before I swallow it, and bit down to realize it wasn't pepermint flavored, but gross ass bitter chalk.....

I immediately realized it wasn't candy but medication and spit it out.

If a kid is too stupid to realize it's not candy after the first 3 seconds of biting down and tasting them, then maybe they diserve to die from their own stupidity.... and maybe the parents should be charged for being stupid as well and not educating their children on what drugs are..... not to mention leaving them lying around to anybody and their dog to eat.

But now we're venturing off from your original example..... why? To attempt to confuse me on the topic?

And this doped up mother of which you speak wouldn't even wake up until hours after the kid had died.

Of course not, because she knocked herself out when she hit the floor and the child bled to death because he didn't have any fingers left to dial 911.

Of course, we were discussing the woman in the original post, not this drugged up woman you invented to fit your case (and then forgot would fit mine as well)

The woman I invented up wasn't invented up, I was talking about this woman is a potiential situation that could arise, and my situation related to her being passed out drunk, not drugged up on painkillers.

You went on about pain killers being in her purse, I responded to that and then went on with my own example in regards to her possibly ending up drunk one night and passing out on the couch, with her gun still stapped to her side.

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Reports perhaps, but kids eat medication and cleaning chemicals all the fricken time. Most medication these days is candy coated.

None of the ones' I have come accross, in about..... oh ...... 12 years or so. All the ones I have come accross don't have candy coating on them for that specific reason.... .they are drugs and they are not supposed to be referred to or treated as candy.

Perhaps you missed the fact so many kids were dying they needed special advertising aimed at kids to fill the airwaves:

YouTube - Don't you put it in your mouth.


Seem familiar?

Yeah I remember that dorky commercial. I'd guess it was made in need because parents are too damn slack ass to educate their children of these things...... and in comparison to firearms and commercials towards their safety? Well since that commercial was Canadian and in Canada there are so few guns or guns that are actually legal besides hunting rifles (Which already have a slew of safety rules and procedures on must follow) firearms are not as big of an issue here then drugs are.

But why arn't there many commercials in the US in regards to gun safety? Probably because some groups would feel they're shedding a bad light on their constitutional right..... we could always ask the NRA about that.

And when it comes to commercials...... I remember seeing one on a New York station that was teaching new parents that you have to actually pay attention to your new babies and not to leave them alone for hours in their cribs like they were a tank of fish or something. The commercial was pretty sad that they had to issue a statement like that because so many people are neglecting their children or simply don't know how to take care of them properly.

But then again, if you revolve your arguments around commericals as some form of solid example, that's saying somethng all by itself.

 

[taxslave]

My mistake. the "wingnut" was the person who issued the permit. I don't see where she has to undergo a "physological" evaluation. That should be a requirement for all prior to granting a liscense.

I guess being a nutbar and owning a handgun is a good mix.... in Pa

It must be. Our government lets clam cops carry handguns. WOrse they are willing to let boarder guards carry. Lots of these people are wanna be cops that didn't make the cut. And then you have the armed forces where almost normal people are turned into nutbars and given drugs for it then sent to the range. At least there most of the guns are locked up except for the MP's who have been known to pull them on people speeding on base.

 

[Colpy]

It must be. Our government lets clam cops carry handguns. WOrse they are willing to let boarder guards carry. Lots of these people are wanna be cops that didn't make the cut. And then you have the armed forces where almost normal people are turned into nutbars and given drugs for it then sent to the range. At least there most of the guns are locked up except for the MP's who have been known to pull them on people speeding on base.

I hope you are joking....because this is wayyyy out in left field......

The move to ease restrictive concealed carry laws in the USA started in 1989, when Florida initiated, to great cries of horror, a law which made it mandatory for the authorities to issue a carry permit to anyone that passed a simple course on law and gun safety, and passed a background check.

The crime rate in Florida dropped........other states took up the idea, and by 2004, well over 3 million American civilians had permits to carry concealed........in 37 states. In two additional states (Vermont and Alaska) there is no requirement even for a permit......in most states it is legal to carry a firearm openly anywhere....

And guess what? In the last 20 years there has been a dramatic drop in murder rates in the USA.......an over 30% drop.

Letting good citizens arm to defend themselves works.....simple as that.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

As your perfect example, the buddy at V-Tech, he went and passed all the requirements and tests that he needed to. He waited as long as he needed to to get what he needed.
at that point he was a law abiding citizen, just like she is.

When Cho walked onto campus property he was breaking the law, IT WAS A GUN FREE ZONE, he should've known better, oh right... The people who died obeyed the law, that makes sense.

But the problem is that everybody was worrying about how nobody could catch the warning signs that he was a danger, or nobody took him seriously until it was too late.

Do you think people are clairvoyant? Warning signs almost only become apparent during a forensic investigation. Hindsight is, after all, 20/20

Now we have a similar case of a woman who clearly identified that she was in a serious vehicle accident and since then she has not had any sense of security around here when she leaves her home. She claimed she isn't a paranoid, even though everything she says follows right along with someone suffering from various forms of it. She feels she needs to carry her gun with her to the children's soccor games, to Wal-Mart, geez, she'd probably have it strapped to the side of her even if she was surrounded by 100 cops in the center of a police department.

Maybe she is paranoid; but are you qualified to make that assessment? Without any such diagnosis to base these allegations on all of her detractors could be found guilty of offering a psychological assessment without a license, or be sued.

Again, are you clairvoyant? All your "probably's" don't add up to crap. BTW, a fellow in our neighbourhood, who is under a weapons ban, and is under 24 hr police surveillance/protection still managed to get himself shot, twice, last week. Probably by someone else who was under a weapons ban. The police were close enough to hear the shots fired.

She is more likely to be a target at the ATM or the parking lot of Wal-Mart going to or from a soccer game. What would you rather she do, FedEx it to herself when she thinks she may need it?

There's all kinds of signs right there in front of everybody. Having her kids on one side of her with the gun on the other, soon enough she'll be so acustomed to it being there, she'll go to grab something somewhere, slap the kid on the other side of her, or the other kid is in the shopping cart within arms reach.

She's a walking accident waiting to happen.

We'll see soon enough.

What signs? Maybe we should just lock everyone up until they can prove they are not a danger.

Would it be better if she were disarmed and after loading her kids into the minivan
and then being carjacked. Just because she doesn't live up to your version of morality doesn't mean she's a nutbar. Maybe it is the nutbars who would rather women like her be a submissive victim.

 

[MissAnnika]

i went trap shooting the other day (its like skeet shooting but u only have 1 target and it's launched in front of u instead of behind) i've never shot a shotgun b4 and being so small i was kinda afraid i'd be knocked down on my ass from the gun's kick, lol my first shot i almost did, and i obtained a giant bruise on my upper arm from when the gun slipped.
but other than that i did well at shooting a gun for the first time in my life, actually i did better than my husband who is a marine and a hunter, and in front of his sargent too XD oops

 

[Praxius]

It must be. Our government lets clam cops carry handguns. WOrse they are willing to let boarder guards carry. Lots of these people are wanna be cops that didn't make the cut. And then you have the armed forces where almost normal people are turned into nutbars and given drugs for it then sent to the range. At least there most of the guns are locked up except for the MP's who have been known to pull them on people speeding on base.

My.... god...... I'm still just waking up but I already know that's gonna be the most ignorant thing I will read today. At the very least, it'll be in the top three.

Most of those people who are in the professions are not in them because they flunked out of the police force, they do it because it's a job, for probably the same reasons why you do your job. Then again, maybe you flunked out of something and are doing a lower end rate job then you expected and decided to vent your frustrations, what do I know?

The Border guards were agreed to be trained and to carry firearms and the reason for that being is because they deal with people from the US who all pretty well have guns. There's a lot of smuggling along the border, in drugs, firearms and humans.

And you want to label everybody who's ever been in the military as "Almost Human" Drugged up Nutbars?

Not only are you so god damn ignorant in the crap you're spewing out of your little brain of yours, you even managed to generalize information you somehow collected from the US Air Force and put it on our own troops and in every section of it in regards to anybody joining the military.

You don't have a fk'n clue what you're talking about, you never had a clue wtf you're talking about and the more you open your mouth the more of an idiot you make yourself out to be.

And I am fully aware of that being a personal insult, because I take your previous trollish/ignorant and dumbass remarks as personal.

How about next time you get your little snippets of news and information from your star wars conspiracy nerd friends in your little dungeons and dragons chat room, you actually look up the information and confirm the details yourself and perhaps stop making yourself sound like an idiot when you try and act all smart.

I have never taken drugs in my time in the forces, and nobody else I have known, including members of my family never taken drugs while in the forces..... and for you to generalize everybody in the military or whoever served in the military as almost human and nutbars shows how clueless you truly are on the subject.

Tell you what, I make a simple thread for you in regards to your favorite colour, you can then tell us what your favorite colour is and why, and then you might actually sound like you know what you're talking about.

Then again, based on given evidence, that might be too much credit for you.

Get a damn education you ignorant monkey spanking troll.

 

[Zzarchov]

Nobody's perfect.

Other people here have been making all kinds of assumptions as to how guns could have prevented certain situations, which of course can not be proven one way or another..... so I saw it only fitting to throw out one of many possible situations that could arise from this.



The table, the purse, what's the difference? The gun holstered on the hip or lying on the table.... what's the difference? A couple of feet.

And pain killers don't hit you within seconds, so if she was anything like me, they'd be put away as soon as they were taken.

If this woman is paranoid enough to think she needs a gun with her at a soccor practice, then she's probably paranoid to take her gun with her to a party to get her drunk on, because people are more prone to fighting and arguing with alcohol in the mix.

And nobody is perfect all the time..... all it takes is her to screw up once and somebody is dead, perhaps one of her children.

Then again maybe that's what is needed for her to clue in that she's screwed in the head.



Nope, never seen ones that look like M&Ms.



First it was in her purse, now all of a sudden they're on the table, just like a firearm could be placed..... you're certainly not being very consistant.

And my brother and I have had out little moments of trying to take pills we thought were candy..... the difference is that I actually chew my food before I swallow it, and bit down to realize it wasn't pepermint flavored, but gross ass bitter chalk.....

I immediately realized it wasn't candy but medication and spit it out.

If a kid is too stupid to realize it's not candy after the first 3 seconds of biting down and tasting them, then maybe they diserve to die from their own stupidity.... and maybe the parents should be charged for being stupid as well and not educating their children on what drugs are..... not to mention leaving them lying around to anybody and their dog to eat.

But now we're venturing off from your original example..... why? To attempt to confuse me on the topic?



Of course not, because she knocked herself out when she hit the floor and the child bled to death because he didn't have any fingers left to dial 911.



The woman I invented up wasn't invented up, I was talking about this woman is a potiential situation that could arise, and my situation related to her being passed out drunk, not drugged up on painkillers.

You went on about pain killers being in her purse, I responded to that and then went on with my own example in regards to her possibly ending up drunk one night and passing out on the couch, with her gun still stapped to her side.



None of the ones' I have come accross, in about..... oh ...... 12 years or so. All the ones I have come accross don't have candy coating on them for that specific reason.... .they are drugs and they are not supposed to be referred to or treated as candy.



Yeah I remember that dorky commercial. I'd guess it was made in need because parents are too damn slack ass to educate their children of these things...... and in comparison to firearms and commercials towards their safety? Well since that commercial was Canadian and in Canada there are so few guns or guns that are actually legal besides hunting rifles (Which already have a slew of safety rules and procedures on must follow) firearms are not as big of an issue here then drugs are.

But why arn't there many commercials in the US in regards to gun safety? Probably because some groups would feel they're shedding a bad light on their constitutional right..... we could always ask the NRA about that.

And when it comes to commercials...... I remember seeing one on a New York station that was teaching new parents that you have to actually pay attention to your new babies and not to leave them alone for hours in their cribs like they were a tank of fish or something. The commercial was pretty sad that they had to issue a statement like that because so many people are neglecting their children or simply don't know how to take care of them properly.

But then again, if you revolve your arguments around commericals as some form of solid example, that's saying somethng all by itself.

Prax, your lack of consistancy is strange even for you.


First you make up claims how this woman must be getting drunk and passing out on painkillers in her living room, therefore can't be trusted with a gun.

Now you are also saying that when she gets doped up like an irresponsible junkie, she also must safely reseal her drugs, place them in a secure location away from her children..

And leave a loaded gun out.


Its just ridiculous. If she's a drugged up junkie than the problem is her being left with children. Whether or not she has a gun is irrelevant compared to the possibility of fire, knives, chemicals, pills, falls down stairs or out of tree's, wandering out of the house and into the blacked out vans of strange men etc


Now, can you actually show how the gun on her hip is more dangerous to children than a bottle of over the counter painkillers in her purse.

If you are resorting to wild stories of orgies and drug use, then the answer is "No, I cannot".


Also:

Seriously stop trying to argue pills aren't at all like Candy.

Advil is literally marketted as candy coated, and they taste sweet for that reason. They are the same size and flavour of M&M's.

Here is a nice article on it's flavour lasting abilities:

The Sneeze - Half zine. Half blog. Half not good with fractions.

45 seconds, they don't taste foul for well over 45 seconds, kids don't savour candy that long.

 

[Praxius]

When Cho walked onto campus property he was breaking the law, IT WAS A GUN FREE ZONE, he should've known better, oh right... The people who died obeyed the law, that makes sense.

Yeah and as you should be aware, when someone doesn't care about their own safety/life and want to inflict injury or death to others, Laws are not going to matter one way or another if he already has the weapons he needs to do what he wants. Which is why there should be some form of further testing or requirements to be met to make sure idiots like this guy doesn't get firearms as easily as he did.

Do you think people are clairvoyant? Warning signs almost only become apparent during a forensic investigation. Hindsight is, after all, 20/20

Most warning signs usually consist of friends seeing the signs, or the person actually talking about doing something harmful to others, them writing crap on the internet explaining how they feel and what they plan to do about it.

All the warning signs are right out in front of everybody's face and they sit there long enough for action to be taking most times.... the problem is that nobody takes them seriously.

Well.... here's some big warning signs that this lady may not go on a big shooting rampage, but she clearly has a problem and needs issues resolved in her life to be actually trusted with having that firearm all the time, esspeically when around children or with other families at stores, or at a soccor game, etc.

You'll see.... in another year or two, she'll be back in the news, something happened, and either someone is seriously wounded or killed.....

..... and then you'll come back on here and tell us that there were no warning signs and that "Technically" she didn't do anything illegal.

Nothing illegal until the moment she did something illegal.

Most of these various shootings can be easily prevented if people actually took a few seconds out of their days to actually open their eyes and see what is in front of them.

Maybe she is paranoid; but are you qualified to make that assessment?

Yes, deal with it.

Without any such diagnosis to base these allegations on all of her detractors could be found guilty of offering a psychological assessment without a license, or be sued.

Like I care and like that actually wins the argument. You don't need to be a rocket scientist or brain doctor to see with your own common sense the signs of what is to come from her direction. I have seen one too many like her who have suffered from some mental condition after a severe accident of event in someone's life. A lack of security and confidence in your own ability to hold your own in your life can make certain people end up doing some very stupid things..... .all because they never bothered to get any help for it and figured they were tough enough without any help.

You'll see soon enough, and once again, while someone comes back in here over an old topic and blabs about "Oh why didn't anybody see the signs? How could this of happened? Boo Hoo." ~ Once again, I will come back in here, point my finger, laugh and go "HA HA, TOLD YOU SO."

Wouldn't be the first time this year.

Again, are you clairvoyant? All your "probably's" don't add up to crap.

Of course they don't add up to crap, just like all you're probably's don't add up to jack sh*t, but at least now you're seeing my point and perhaps can start to debate something tangible.

BTW, a fellow in our neighbourhood, who is under a weapons ban, and is under 24 hr police surveillance/protection still managed to get himself shot, twice, last week. Probably by someone else who was under a weapons ban. The police were close enough to hear the shots fired.

Didn't you just say something about Probably's adding up to crap? :roll:

She is more likely to be a target at the ATM or the parking lot of Wal-Mart going to or from a soccer game. What would you rather she do, FedEx it to herself when she thinks she may need it?

Clearly she thinks she needs it all the time, so that question is kind of pointless. What she needs is a head exam.

What signs? Maybe we should just lock everyone up until they can prove they are not a danger.

Throw some more words that I never said into my mouth why don't you? Typical of someone who's running out of substance for their side of the argument.

What Signs? I already explained them and pointed them out a few times already, and I am not about to repeat myself again for someone who can't bother to read and absorb information that is in plain english.

Would it be better if she were disarmed and after loading her kids into the minivan and then being carjacked.

Ah yes, there's those hypocritical "Probably's" again you bitched so much about. Instead of playing with your probably games, how about we focus on some factuals for a moment:

Has it happened yet to her? No

Has it ever happened to her in the past? No

Because she had a gun you would respond? No, because it never happened to her or her family before the accident and before she thought it nessicary to carry a firearm.

Just because she doesn't live up to your version of morality doesn't mean she's a nutbar.

Sure it does.

Maybe it is the nutbars who would rather women like her be a submissive victim.

Are you fk'n kidding me? Do you think this is Saudi Arabia or something where women have to be escorted everywhere they go or else they're just simply asking to be a victim to rape, murder or robbery?

Do you see me walking around with a gun strapped up my ass for protection everyday because I'm all fearfull of being jumped or attacked, or killed, or robbed?

There isn't one single person I directly know in person who feels they need to carry a firearm with them at all times because they feel they will be targeted by a crime.

I myself have been attacked a few times in my days, the last time was by 5 punk ass thugs all drunk. I held my own quite well even after they started with the death threats and saying they're going to kill me for busting up their friend's face amongst the attempted attacks on me.

Who knows, maybe they will come back and try to kill me....... does that mean I should go and load myself up with guns just incase the unknown actually happens? Did I stay a passive victim as you said? Hell no..... but if I need to protect my life and those around me, I sure as hell can do it without a gun, and if they get me before I get them, well them's the breaks.

I don't need a gun to feel safe in my everyday life..... sh*t happens to us all eventually.... that's life itself and sometimes no matter how much you try and protect yourself, no matter how much you arm yourself, there are factors in your life beyond your control and if someone is going to attack you, they're going to do it whether you have a gun or not, the only difference is that they may bring a gun to attack you if you already have a gun and are flashing it around.

Frig I have more justification for wanting to arm myself with a firearm then she and perhaps most other people, yet I don't see a reason for it. When you're that paranoid of the world around you that you need a gun on you at all times when you leave the house, what does that tell you about yourself and the society you live amongst?

If you let yourself set into fear and act like that, then you lose and they win. Then again, everything down in the US as of late has revolved around fear and paranoia, so once again, see what your society tells you about itself and yourself.

 

[Colpy]

Praxius.....the point is, you can easily show by statistical analysis that allowing easy access to concealed carry of pistols does not increase crime or murder rates......in fact, just the opposite is true.


In 1985, only 4 states in the USA allowed citizens to carry concealed.....since Florida enacted a "right to carry" law in 1989, 32 other states followed suit.....because of the drop in murder rates in Florida.....in fact, I remember the flap about criminal gangs increasingly targeting tourists in Florida.....guess why?

Since the USA started letting citizens defend themselves, the murder rate has dropped 30%.

There are millions of other citizens in the USA just like this woman........they take their handguns with them everywhere, just like a purse or wallet.....never know when you might need it....and that does not make them paranoid.

I know if I lived in a place that allowed it, I'd get a permit to carry, and then I wouldn't walk across the street to a mailbox without a gun on my hip.....and I'm probably the least paranoid person you have ever met.

It is simply that the only people that have rights are those that exercise them.

This woman should not be castigated simply for exercising her rights.

BTW, at least two school shootings in the USA have been stopped by civilians with guns..........who says guns should be banned on campus?????

 

[Praxius]

Prax, your lack of consistancy is strange even for you.

First you make up claims how this woman must be getting drunk and passing out on painkillers in her living room, therefore can't be trusted with a gun.

No wonder why it's strange, that's because I never said the above in the first place.... which I had already just explained. *shakes head*

I already said that someone else (I've been talking to three or so other people so I can't remember who at this moment) used the example of her child getting Px painkillers inside her purse and being more of a danger and greater chance of happening then the child getting the gun from her hip.

I then explained how it isn't as simple getting a child to locate, figure out how to open, and take those drugs, while finding a firearm that looks like fun, and has fewer safety features to prevent accidental discharge..... a situation that could happen if she decided to have a few drinks one night and forgot to secure her firearm and left it on her while she passed out.......

..... My reference has nothing to do with pain killers period. I responded to a reference to painkillers by I didn't bring them up and presented an equal yet possible situation that could occur through time...... probably more of a chance happening then the kid taking drugs, which arn't even a factor in the debate to begin with.

Please try and keep up.

Now you are also saying that when she gets doped up like an irresponsible junkie, she also must safely reseal her drugs, place them in a secure location away from her children..

Once again, you are confusing two seperate comments that do not relate to one another.

I already said that if she did have pain killers or any other form of drug, hypothetically if she was like me, I would take them and then put them back where they belong before their effects too place in case they cause sleepyness.

Quite honestly I don't know if she takes pain killers and I simply don't care..... I didn't bring them up.

While my seperate example of her taking her firearm whereever she goes, included an example of her heading to a party with neighbors or friends. If she's taking the gun to soccor games, then it can be expected that she'd take the gun to parties as well. Not to mention all the things that could occur during the party, let's just say nothing did and she headed back home. If she is hammered and passes out when she get's home, or is about to pass out..... how much do you want to bet that that gun that she is acustomed to, doesn't get put away/secured properly?

That was my example, and I ain't repeating it again.

And leave a loaded gun out.

Its just ridiculous. If she's a drugged up junkie than the problem is her being left with children. Whether or not she has a gun is irrelevant compared to the possibility of fire, knives, chemicals, pills, falls down stairs or out of tree's, wandering out of the house and into the blacked out vans of strange men etc

Now, can you actually show how the gun on her hip is more dangerous to children than a bottle of over the counter painkillers in her purse.

If you are resorting to wild stories of orgies and drug use, then the answer is "No, I cannot".

Once again, read wtf I already typed, I ain't repeating myself to people who don't take the fk'n time to read. Once was already enough, now I just repeated myself a 3rd time.

Get your sh*t together.

I never claimed she was a drugged up junky tramp wh0re. Everybody who has one or two friends and perhaps a bit of a life tends to go out with friends and have a few drinks on the odd occasion..... that is not a claim that she's some out of control pill brain.

And Once again, I did not even claim she took pain killers. I entertained the idea brought up by someone else, perhaps even you who is futher egging on this recycling of crap.... and in and equal response I presented a counter argument based on the same mentality given to me.

And then you go all ape sh*t about me being in contradiction?

I think not. I know exactly what I have already said. Once again, try and keep up.

Also:

Seriously stop trying to argue pills aren't at all like Candy.

I won't because there hasn't been one pill or other form of medication I have taken in my entire life that tasted like candy. Maybe cough syrup comes close, but that still tastes like crap.

I don't know what kind of candy your parents gave you as a kid, but I remember having real candy and I remember having real medication, and there is a very clear and distinct difference between the two.

And I'll argue that until I'm dead.

Advil is literally marketted as candy coated, and they taste sweet for that reason. They are the same size and flavour of M&M's.

I don't take advil very often and if advil tastes like candy, then maybe you should be complaining to them about it and not me. The few times I did take Advil I sure didn't notice any candy flavor on them.

Here is a nice article on it's flavour lasting abilities:

The Sneeze - Half zine. Half blog. Half not good with fractions.

45 seconds, they don't taste foul for well over 45 seconds, kids don't savour candy that long.

Jesus Murphy that site took forever to load up.....

So you show me one pill...... one single brand of pill and you're suddenly labeling all of the other hundreds of thousands of medication out there as also being candy coated?

Unreal.... I was expecting a site with a long list of candy coated pills, not just one single example.

you best have a list of other "Candy Coated" medication to at least bring up your claims to something solid, because as they say "One Advil is Not Often Enough"

The fact of the matter is that the majority of the drugs out there that you can get, be that sleeping pills, birth control, pain killers, cold/flu pills, or pills you shove up your arse are not candy coated and they sure as hell don't taste like candy.

Regardless, this topic is about a crazy paranoid woman who is afraid of being attacked 24/7...... not about pills and if they taste like candy. If you want to continue the debate on pills and how wonderful they taste, by all means start another thread about the subject.

 

[tracy]

Praxius.....the point is, you can easily show by statistical analysis that allowing easy access to concealed carry of pistols does not increase crime or murder rates......in fact, just the opposite is true.


In 1985, only 4 states in the USA allowed citizens to carry concealed.....since Florida enacted a "right to carry" law in 1989, 32 other states followed suit.....because of the drop in murder rates in Florida.....in fact, I remember the flap about criminal gangs increasingly targeting tourists in Florida.....guess why?

Since the USA started letting citizens defend themselves, the murder rate has dropped 30%.

One thing happening after another doesn't mean the first one caused the second or is even remotely related to the second.

 

[tracy]

I agree, none the less, its not a crime to be strange.

I consider many behaviours of others strange, but US (and Canadian more so) laws clearly state that you can't kick some people (and not all) out of your private property because their values offend you or seem strange.

You can kick someone out of your store for not wearing shoes. If you can enforce a dress code, then not wearing a gun on your hip isn't a completely unreasonable thing.

The problem I have with this is the pure sillyness. Someone like that spends so much time defending their rights that they forget common sense. I have the right to do a lot of offensive or wierd things. Other people have the right to tell me to leave their property. She's an attention seeker, plain and simple.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

i went trap shooting the other day (its like skeet shooting but u only have 1 target and it's launched in front of u instead of behind) i've never shot a shotgun b4 and being so small i was kinda afraid i'd be knocked down on my ass from the gun's kick, lol my first shot i almost did, and i obtained a giant bruise on my upper arm from when the gun slipped.
but other than that i did well at shooting a gun for the first time in my life, actually i did better than my husband who is a marine and a hunter, and in front of his sargent too XD oops

You have to find a gun that fits you, if you haven't already. We allow semi auto's (some clubs don't)which have a remarkably reduced recoil, either that or go to a smaller bore such as a 20 ga. You have to make sure the butt is against your shoulder before firing, and allow your body to basorb the shock, don't try to stop it or push against it. Many small framed folks do well with a 12 ga, but it takes practice to reduce or eliminate the bruising. :smile: