Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[Torch light]

If anyone reads and listens to the addresses of the USA president, he will be certain that a great problem has afflicted the economy and general condition of America. So that the president says: we want to make America great once again! Therefore, what is it now? Certainly it is in big troubles: economically and else.

The apparent reason is the Zionist lobby and bankers who have control on the public life in the USA.

The unapparent reason is the wrong-doing and transgression of the USA government and military on other countries particularly the Muslim countries, and the bias of America to the side of the Zionists of Tel Aviv.

Therefore, God scorches America with many sorts of punishment: economic, internal distress, hurricanes, freezing storms and floods ..etc

this is on account of the bias of the USA to Tel Aviv to the disadvnatage of the Arab and Muslims .. which in fact is a great wrong-doing and transgression.

http://quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english3.htm#The_Role_of_the_American_Imperialism_
quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english3.htm#The_Role_of_the_American_Imperialism_

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

If anyone reads and listens to the addresses of the USA president, he will be certain that a great problem has afflicted the economy and general condition of America.

He's a philosopher-king compared to the arrant lunatics running Muslim countries.

 

[Hoid]

Where is that founding father's meme that says none of this counts if high school kids cry?

Mocking survivors just the way you have been taught

 

[Cannuck]

I mocked the people that think being a victim gives you some kind of expertise on a question much wider than any school shooting,

That's why I'm against victim impact statements. They are irrelevant

 

[Corduroy]

It's something media pretty much tossed aside.

Apparently gun regulations are more important than addressing the root of the teen mental health epidemic dilemma that creates the violence.

Teen mental health isn't the root of the problem. It might have been for the Parkland shooter, but it isn't the root of the problem for the endemic gun violence and mass shootings in the United States. I said I support because it's necessary even if it the result isn't mass shootings at schools and it is the cause of some shootings.

I never mocked the survivors, nor would I. They went through a horrible thing, and I don't blame them for their tears, or for their determination to do something.

I mocked the people that think being a victim gives you some kind of expertise on a question much wider than any school shooting, and to think that an emotional reaction is reason to ignore the supreme law of the nation. So I'll thank you to shut that particular BS down forthwith.

Naw man, you mocked them. Your stupid meme isn't a nuanced as all that. You probably realize now who horrible it was and so now you're lying to yourself about it.

Your explanation here is contradictory too. You say you don't mock the survivors but the people who think their experience matters in the debate. So means you think the victim's experience doesn't matter. That's mocking them. Especially when this is about their lives and the horror of living through a school shooting. That matters.

And you know who thinks being a victim of this shooting make their opinions relevant? The victims of the shooting. So they are included in the people you mock.

Our laws would have prevented more than this particular shooting. You can not prevent everything, however, and still have a free society.

Background checks and licensing in Canada would have prevented the majority of mass shootings that have happened in the USA. As always, the vast majority of the BS beyond that is simply harassment of over 2 million licensed Canadian gun owners.

They can handle it.

The USA was prosperous and in good condition until the Zionists have come and had control on the policy and economy of America.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

We'll be OK once we submit to the Will of Allah.

Or is that the Allah of Will?

 

[petros]

Hargrave has nothing to do with it. I'd tell you to stick to what you know but then you'd have nothing to post

You have no idea what, who or where Hargrave is do you?

Teen mental health isn't the root of the problem. It might have been for the Parkland shooter, but it isn't the root of the problem for the endemic gun violence and mass shootings in the United States. I said I support because it's necessary even if it the result isn't mass shootings at schools and it is the cause of some shootings.

Start with this; "how many school shooters didn't have mental health issues"?

 

[Colpy]

Although I don't agree with some of your stance on this issue. I do commend you for acknowledging that regulation and due diligence in the United States is lacking when it comes to buying a firearm.

The second amendment was penned in 1791. While America was born out of revolution it has also evolved since that time. For instance Slavery was abolished with the 13th amendment in 1865. By 1918 the 19th amendment went to congress and was passed giving woman the right to vote by 1920. It wasn't until 1965 that people of color were given the right to vote under the 13th amendment.

So given the amendments and their evolution, why is the 2nd amendment which was written long before advances in weaponry so hands off?

There are anti-gun advocates in the US, but the majority just want the laws tightened, checks and balances put in place and way of reducing gun violence centered around mass shootings. If five or ten brown fellows, who happen to face east when they pray, had carried out these shootings, people would be screaming about background checks.

Final two cents. I don't have anything against anyone owning a gun, providing they do not pose a threat to the general public. While it is impossible to thwart all gun violence, I can't figure out the stance of some claiming that their 2nd amendment right trump the rights of citizens to be protected from people who clearly should not have any type of firearm.

Last couple questions are for you specifically, Colpy. Reason? I would like to know your thought process, but also I think you can formulate a spin free honest answer.

• Why does a civilian need a semi automatic weapon?
• What purpose is there to having one? Certainly, home protection can be achieved with a hand gun and hunting can be achieved with a bolt action rifle.
• So, why does a citizen need a semi automatic weapon?

Btw, love the new avatar, a departure from G. Gordon Liddy.

First of all, I'm going to leave the constitutional arguments to Tecumsehsbones, as he has the expertise, and I'm getting a yellow streak.

I will say this.....I have no problem with strict background checks, safety training, and licensing in Canada.....that is a little more problematic in the USA. How can you demand a license to exercise a constitutional right?

And one other thing.....the changes in American law brought that law increasingly into compliance with the constitution, with some small exceptions.

Now:

Why does a civilian need a semi automatic weapon?

Why not?

I'm not being flippant, but if a fight in close quarters was my aim, I'd take a pump action shotgun.....especially when the semi is limited to 5 rounds. I can put out 6 rounds of 2 3/4 inch Magnum 00 bucksot out of a Mossberg 500 duck gun pretty damn quick. That's 72 pellets of .33 caliber. You'd have to fire three 30 rd mags out of an AR 15 to match it. You couldn't come close. Then I could speed load subsequent shots quicker than you think.....and there are even tube magazines for reloading shotguns now.....

Also, semi-auto sporting rifles have been around for 110 years. Really.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_8

Semi-autos make up a major portion of privately held guns in Canada, and I submit they are no more dangerous than anything else.

I thought this after what's-his-name went into Dawson College with a semi-auto Beretta Storm carbine, and killed one unfortunate girl, and wounded 19. He left a pump action shotgun in his car. Thank God, or there would have been more dead. A lot more.

Btw, love the new avatar, a departure from G. Gordon Liddy

LOL! I thought it was hilarious when you first pointed out the Liddy resemblance. I retired recently, and have gone back to my natural state. Hairy.

Thanks, BTW. I'll take that comment as a compliment.

 

[Corduroy]

Start with this; "how many school shooters didn't have mental health issues"?

It's hard to imagine a school shooter that didn't have mental health issues, but my comment wasn't limited to school shooters or teenage shooters. That's why I say teen mental health isn't the root of the problem. The Vegas shooter wouldn't have been helped by any teen mental health intervention. School shootings are a special but related aspect of the overall mass shooter problem in the United States. The problem permeates American society from the nuts who do the shootings, to the culture that glorifies violence, to the gun worshipers to the sociopathic politicians who care for nothing but their money, donors and job security.

 

[DaSleeper]

They had a term in the late 90's when they had a string of post office employees shooting up their work place...
Hence the term..."going postal"
Someone must find a good term for school shooters.......

 

[petros]

It's hard to imagine a school shooter that didn't have mental health issues, but my comment wasn't limited to school shooters or teenage shooters. That's why I say teen mental health isn't the root of the problem. The Vegas shooter wouldn't have been helped by any teen mental health intervention. School shootings are a special but related aspect of the overall mass shooter problem in the United States. The problem permeates American society from the nuts who do the shootings, to the culture that glorifies violence, to the gun worshipers to the sociopathic politicians who care for nothing but their money, donors and job security.

Untreated kids eventually grow into untreated adults.

It doesn't get any more premptive than diagnosis and treatment when symptoms start showing in youth.

The stark deliniation will be apparent within the first few years if these plans of expedited diagnosis and treatment for youth comes to fruition.

If you try to start with gun control first you are looking at at least half a century to see results.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

First of all, I'm going to leave the constitutional arguments to Tecumsehsbones, as he has the expertise, and I'm getting a yellow streak.

Your grounding in, and understanding of, the common law of England, and thence the British constitution, which is the mother of both American and Canadian law, is very impressive for someone who is not a lawyer with a particular interest in legal history.

I will say this.....I have no problem with strict background checks, safety training, and licensing in Canada.....that is a little more problematic in the USA. How can you demand a license to exercise a constitutional right?

And one other thing.....the changes in American law brought that law increasingly into compliance with the constitution, with some small exceptions.

THAT is the central question: How is it that one can only exercise a Constitutional right with a government license? It seems to be the absolute antithesis of the whole idea of "rights."

Now:

Why does a civilian need a semi automatic weapon?

Why not?

I'm not being flippant, but if a fight in close quarters was my aim, I'd take a pump action shotgun.....especially when the semi is limited to 5 rounds. I can put out 6 rounds of 2 3/4 inch Magnum 00 bucksot out of a Mossberg 500 duck gun pretty damn quick. That's 72 pellets of .33 caliber. You'd have to fire three 30 rd mags out of an AR 15 to match it. You couldn't come close. Then I could speed load subsequent shots quicker than you think.....and there are even tube magazines for reloading shotguns now.....

Also, semi-auto sporting rifles have been around for 110 years. Really.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_8

Semi-autos make up a major portion of privately held guns in Canada, and I submit they are no more dangerous than anything else.

I thought this after what's-his-name went into Dawson College with a semi-auto Beretta Storm carbine, and killed one unfortunate girl, and wounded 19. He left a pump action shotgun in his car. Thank God, or there would have been more dead. A lot more.

Btw, love the new avatar, a departure from G. Gordon Liddy

LOL! I thought it was hilarious when you first pointed out the Liddy resemblance. I retired recently, and have gone back to my natural state. Hairy.

Thanks, BTW. I'll take that comment as a compliment.

Why the heck DO LEOs go for the shaved look?

Makes y'all look like six-foot dicks.

 

[Curious Cdn]

I don't recall Curious ever claiming to be a hero. I certainly wasn't. I did my job. I got paid. It was a job worth doing, in my admittedly-not-so-humble opinion. It was sometimes dangerous, but many jobs that don't get the kind of praise the military tends to get are more dangerous, and equally necessary. I was one of millions. But what we did was worth doing.

I don't really understand what you and taxslave are so upset about, upset to the point that you make the claims you do.

Of course, I never claimed to be a "hero". A few years back, I had posted that I was proud to have been a small part of the greater, multinational effort that lasted two generations that brought the Soviet Union down. Eagle Snack interpreted that as my saying that I was claiming some sort of stolen valour using what fills in for logic in his empty little soul. Eagle Snack probably doesn't acknowledge that anyone other than a Star Spangled Yank had anything to do with it at all by put in truth, millions of non-American helped to going that end about.

Well, Eagle Snack, being the most pernicious troll on this board has been trolling me with "Heeero" for the last two years. Petros, whom I have found out is not the brightest bulb on the string figures that Eagle Snack's trolling (Was he ever a Marine? Not an honourable one, if so) is "calling me out", somehow. I expect more from tax Slave who is capable of intelligent ideas but when it comes down to it,is no better that the mediocre troll that is his "friend".

Anyway, it just goes to show how pathetic these lowlifes are. They need their "tactical" weapons to compensate for their pathetically wee Willies.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I wasn't a big, tough gyrene either. I did my part.

There'll always be Jodys, Curious. Pay 'em no mind.

 

[Johnnny]

Good post CC thanks for your service!

 

[Curious Cdn]

Good post CC thanks for your service!

It was a long, long time ago.

 

[JamesBondo]

I found a rotten apple in my orchard last week, that's #25 this year! I think it is time to chop the whole f#cking tree down.

 

[Cannuck]

You have no idea what, who or where Hargrave is do you?

Don't be such an idiot. Every firefighter in Alberta knows who James was.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/154719-james-hargrave.html

Try not being a complete moron for one day and see how it works for you

 

[JLM]

They had a term in the late 90's when they had a string of post office employees shooting up their work place...
Hence the term..."going postal"
Someone must find a good term for school shooters.......

"Going educational".

I found a rotten apple in my orchard last week, that's #25 this year! I think it is time to chop the whole f#cking tree down.

Nah, set fire to the orchard.

 

[Hoid]

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