Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[gerryh]

I did, she wants law abiding people to register guns! :lol:
She compared # of gun dealers to # of McDonalds, absolutely irrelevant to my way of thinking.

I see no reason why guns should not be registered. Just like a car, or a motorcycle has to be registered. Hand guns are not needed. Rifles and shotguns for hunting no problem. Full automatic assault weapons should NOT be owned by the general public. I agree that more needs to be done about the illegal trade in guns.

So, I agree with her and not with Colpy, who I consider to be dangerous with his attitude towards weapons and Muslims.

 

[Colpy]

Really? Then, old man, you have a definite comprehension problem. Try rereading what she has posted.

That is quite difficult, as she only rarely drifts into the realm of fact or logic.......

I see no reason why guns should not be registered. Just like a car, or a motorcycle has to be registered. Hand guns are not needed. Rifles and shotguns for hunting no problem. Full automatic assault weapons should NOT be owned by the general public. I agree that more needs to be done about the illegal trade in guns.

So, I agree with her and not with Colpy, who I consider to be dangerous with his attitude towards weapons and Muslims.

Guns should not be registered because the history of such systems shows that registration inevitably leads to confiscation. That is not only true in countries undergoing social upheaval, but in our sister nations of the UK and Australia.....and in Canada as well.

Neither cars nor motorcycles must be registered. That is a fallacy. Just don't drive them on public roads.

Even then, the registration of cars is a provincial revenue tool, and does not appear in the Criminal Code.

Handguns are very useful, and are far too restricted in Canada.

Up until 1979, full auto weapons were legally traded and owned by civilians in Canada. There are still several thousand machine guns out there, grandfathered to their owners. There has NEVER been a problem with their legal ownership.......

But heck, I'm a moderate. I can compromise. I am willing to be investigated, trained, and submit to an invasion of my privacy to get a firearms license. I think it would be sensible to have graduated licenses for different types of firearms and their carry. I am quite willing to throw full autos out of the sleigh, and have them banned.

Beyond that, gun control is a complete waste of time.

 

[gerryh]

But heck, I'm a moderate. I can compromise. I am willing to be investigated, trained, and submit to an invasion of my privacy to get a firearms license. I think it would be sensible to have graduated licenses for different types of firearms and their carry. I am quite willing to throw full autos out of the sleigh, and have them banned.

Beyond that, gun control is a complete waste of time.

Hmmmm..... this appears to be the stance that the majority of people that support the registry take. This is the meat and potatoes of "gun control" that you obviously support on the one hand and hate on the other. Just a tad schizo I see.

 

[JLM]

That is quite difficult, as she only rarely drifts into the realm of fact or logic.......

Now THAT is a true statement! :lol:

So, I agree with her and not with Colpy, who I consider to be dangerous with his attitude towards weapons and Muslims.

Maybe he had a friend or relative in the W.T.C. - that could be a valid reason for being annoyed with them! :smile:

Really? Then, old man,

I thought you have enough wisdom to know that "old" has to do with many things besides chronological age. Getting lulled into that foolery is a sure way of getting your ass whipped, boy!

 

[bluebyrd35]

On one side we have the pro gun who will say it is a right to get/carry a weapon,even if its an anti tank weapon "which no one needs"
On the other side we have the anti gun groups,who think not having guns will make it a peaceful world,guess they haven't heard of knives baseball bats etc.

Hell no....we just want to save the young of the species. Some things are not the toys that the experts in those artifacts make them out to be. The upcoming generations are from "the sterilize everything generations" and they either assume everything is dangerous or nothing in their world is.

Hunting rifles, if the elders of the family are familiar with these weapons,, teach their young how to use them. Those with just the internet and the price of a license are flirting with disaster. Think of the rules and regulations, seat belts,our veggies, fruit or meat,, even cat food that are in force and then look at those governing killing weapons. Something very wrong here.. Even, those protecting animals are stronger. My word, it seems to me laws governing weapons should not only be as good as or better. Just a thought!!

You'd do better discussing other subjects Bluebyrd- you are obviously not interested in guns and you know very little about guns, so they are not part of your life. Why belabour the issue? It's better left in Colpy's domain- he talking about! :smile:

Really? Well, I live in the country, and have had livestock threatened by a groups of hunters, who neither asked whether they could hunt on my land nor appreciated my kicking them off said land. My children were fired on by a drunken neighbour on the otherside, because our dog wandered onto his land. Now the neighbour on the other side had a son who used to also get drunk and used to use passing traffic as targets. Thank goodness his aim was lousy. So don't tell me about what I know and don't about firearms. I would be much more ANTI-GUNS if my father were not a hunter & a collector.

There are responsible owners out there, but there are many more who are not. Those who are responsible, should not be too put out about following a few rules.

PS. how about a link on when Canada confisticated arms. Oh and what about our PM who is sabitashing (sp)? a global arms treaty??

 

[JLM]

Hell no....we just want to save the young of the species. Some things are not the toys that the experts in those artifacts make them out to be. The upcoming generations are from "the sterilize everything generations" and they either assume everything is dangerous or nothing in their world is.

Hunting rifles, if the elders of the family are familiar with these weapons,, teach their young how to use them. Those with just the internet and the price of a license are flirting with disaster. Think of the rules and regulations, seat belts,our veggies, fruit or meat,, even cat food that are in force and then look at those governing killing weapons. Something very wrong here.. Even, those protecting animals are stronger. My word, it seems to me laws governing weapons should not only be as good as or better. Just a thought!!



Really? Well, I live in the country, and have had livestock threatened by a groups of hunters, who neither asked whether they could hunt on my land nor appreciated my kicking them off said land. My children were fired on by a drunken neighbour on the otherside, because our dog wandered onto his land. Now the neighbour on the other side had a son who used to also get drunk and used to use passing traffic as targets. Thank goodness his aim was lousy. So don't tell me about what I know and don't about firearms. I would be much more ANTI-GUNS if my father were not a hunter & a collector.

There are responsible owners out there, but there are many more who are not. Those who are responsible, should not be too put out about following a few rules.

PS. how about a link on when Canada confisticated arms. Oh and what about our PM who is sabitashing (sp)? a global arms treaty??

Good posts Bluebyrd. You and I just want to attack the problem from different angles. I say register the miscreants and leave the guns alone. I hate bureaucracy (like keeping track of people who are doing no harm). :smile:

. Oh and what about our PM who is sabitashing (sp)? a global arms treaty??

"Sabotaging" might be the word you are after! :smile:

 

[Colpy]

PS. how about a link on when Canada confisticated arms. Oh and what about our PM who is sabitashing (sp)? a global arms treaty??

Just the latest example:

RCMP to seize more ‘scary-looking’ guns before registry dies | News | National Post

Please see the prohibited list included below. All of these weapons have either been seized, as they were not grandfathered, or are slated to be seized on the death of their owners. In total this is more than one-half million firearms.

No compensation will be paid.

List of Restricted and Prohibited Firearms

The long guns on the list were first registered in 1979.

Oh....and both the Liberals and the NDP have run on platforms that included a complete ban on either handguns or semi-autos, or both.

Kinda proves my point.

Registration means confiscation.

 

[MapleDog]

Hell no....we just want to save the young of the species. Some things are not the toys that the experts in those artifacts make them out to be. The upcoming generations are from "the sterilize everything generations" and they either assume everything is dangerous or nothing in their world is.

I'm not saying the contrsry,but when we hear about a kid who died cause he played with his dad's gun,gotta wonder what kind of idiot the dad is,not having it locked in a box[keeping the key on him at all time] or buying one of these trigger lock,its cheaper than buying a child size coffin.

 

[taxslave]

So, in your world, it seems, you would arm everyone with those prohibited automatic handguns???? As for not trusting the government I'll bet you voted for this government!! I don't trust it either. However, this present government seems to be in favour of owning automatic rifles, and doing away with the registry. I can find nothing regarding confistication of automatic handguns in Canada.

It strikes me as odd that anyone would suspect the present government of possibly confisticating legal registered firearms when it is so busy trying to throw monkey wrenches into an international treaty governing global arms trade.


Oceania,Europe,Asia,Americas,Africa,Canada
Pandering to Gun Lobby, Canada Promotes Arms Trade Treaty Loopholes
18 July 2012
Embassy Magazine (Canada)
The Harper government is trying to fudge efforts to craft an effective international treaty to govern the global arms trade by adding oversight "loopholes" into the agreement, the NDP says. NDP trade critic Don Davies says the Tories are trying to water down the global push for a United Nations arms trade treaty to score domestic political points with red-meat conservatives. He and other treaty supporters point to the Harper government's desire not to include the... (GunPolicy.org)
Read More: Embassy Magazine (Canada).

I love the term "red-meat conservatives" rather apt, I would say.

So not only are you an idiot you are also wrong.
WHy is it that you raving loons automatically think that all the sane people voted for Harper? Just because we agree with some of his policies does not mean that we voted for him.

 

[JLM]

So not only are you an idiot you are also wrong.
WHy is it that you raving loons automatically think that all the sane people voted for Harper? Just because we agree with some of his policies does not mean that we voted for him.

The really "sane" people probably didn't vote for any one of the bandits. :lol:

 

[taxslave]

I see no reason why guns should not be registered. Just like a car, or a motorcycle has to be registered. Hand guns are not needed. Rifles and shotguns for hunting no problem. Full automatic assault weapons should NOT be owned by the general public. I agree that more needs to be done about the illegal trade in guns.

So, I agree with her and not with Colpy, who I consider to be dangerous with his attitude towards weapons and Muslims.

OK then as long as I keep my guns on my property there is no need to register them ,right?

 

[JLM]

So not only are you an idiot you are also wrong.
WHy is it that you raving loons automatically think that all the sane people voted for Harper? Just because we agree with some of his policies does not mean that we voted for him.

I read one of her posts where apparently there was an incident where her kids' safety was in jeopardy so I've softened my opinion of her a little knowing what emotions can do to sane thinking. If for no other reason this $one (or so) million endeavour that turned into several $billions, should be all the reason needed to scrap the fiasco!

 

[taxslave]

I read one of her posts where apparently there was an incident where her kids' safety was in jeopardy so I've softened my opinion of her a little knowing what emotions can do to sane thinking. If for no other reason this $one (or so) million endeavour that turned into several $billions, should be all the reason needed to scrap the fiasco!

So she claims. In any event registering a rifle would not prevent an incident like this and there are laws in place to deal with all three of the alleged incidents she mentioned.

Most important is that none of this will prevent criminals from having shoot outs in the mall with prohibited weapons.

 

[JLM]

So she claims. In any event registering a rifle would not prevent an incident like this and there are laws in place to deal with all three of the alleged incidents she mentioned.

Oh, there's absolutely no doubt the logic is flawed, just thought it's better to extend an olive branch than to keep bashing at her head on. She's pretty adamant! :smile:

 

[taxslave]

Oh, there's absolutely no doubt the logic is flawed, just thought it's better to extend an olive branch than to keep bashing at her head on. She's pretty adamant! :smile:

That is how we get our rights trampled, by letting those with an agenda get their way.

 

[JLM]

That is how we get our rights trampled, by letting those with an agenda get their way.

I know but then I guess she has a right to a flawed opinion! Even Gerry supports her on that (and that's saying something) :lol:

 

[taxslave]

I know but then I guess she has a right to a flawed opinion! Even Gerry supports her on that (and that's saying something) :lol:

NObody said she isn't entitled to an opinion. Just not entitled to force her opinion on the rest of us. Much like people that do not own cars should not have any right to influence where highways go or what speed limits should be.

 

[MapleDog]

NObody said she isn't entitled to an opinion. Just not entitled to force her opinion on the rest of us. Much like people that do not own cars should not have any right to influence where highways go or what speed limits should be.

I do not have a car,all i ask is do not try to run me over,you'll get to your destination anyway.

And to all the speed freaks: You are not Mario Andretti,slow down.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

NObody said she isn't entitled to an opinion. Just not entitled to force her opinion on the rest of us. Much like people that do not own cars should not have any right to influence where highways go or what speed limits should be.

But of course. you are entitled to force your opinions on her and on that majority of Canadians who want gun control.

I was somewhat amused by the allegations of illogic when the whole gun craziness is based on fallacies and absurd analogies.

Bluebyrd is right and it is not emotion. One may be emotional about the consequences of evil. That does not make the evil justified.

 

[JLM]

But of course. you are entitled to force your opinions on her and on that majority of Canadians who want gun control.

I was somewhat amused by the allegations of illogic when the whole gun craziness is based on fallacies and absurd analogies.

Bluebyrd is right and it is not emotion. One may be emotional about the consequences of evil. That does not make the evil justified.

Your thinking is more flawed than hers. How is controlling law abiding people going to address crime? Is a registered gun any less lethal than an unregistered one? Criminals don't really care if the gun is registered or not, when they are finished with it they will just dump it in the lake anyway.