Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[L Gilbert]

I'd rather cuddle my wife in bed than a shotgun. Do you live in a paper house that has no doors or locking windows? If someone is in your rom you are going to have the time or co-ordination to fire it? And yes even with just a primer it will go through drywall. get real.

Locks on doors and windows are to keep honest folks out and insurance companies happy. lol
Pepper shot doesn't get far, you get real. And salt turns into powder when meeting something harder than skin.
We have dogs, the shotgun is beside the bedroom foor, and if any idiot can get past the dogs, I'd already be awake and waiting for him to show his face inside the house. Most times out here in the boonies, once the slide on the shotgun makes noise, people would disappear. It's a very distinctive sound as is the sound of a shotgun round going into the chamber. As far as that goes, we keep an empty round in the chamber, and that makes a distinctive sound when hitting the floor, itself.

 

[L Gilbert]

Yup and the woods are full of people with guns trying to find safety from urban petty crime while at the same time the crazies wanted for hard core crime take their guns and hide in the woods. If you are freaked out move next to a Robin's or Tim's instead of 45 mins up a logging road.

Nope. The woods are full of people getting some meat to stick in their freezers, target shooting, or just plain plinking.

 

[L Gilbert]

You've done exactly that yourself. Do you actually think it's not obvious? :roll:
Anyway I'm done with you Annie.

lmao If it's obvious to you, then you really are a sad little sack, aren't you.

 

[DaSleeper]

I'd rather cuddle my wife in bed than a shotgun. Do you live in a paper house that has no doors or locking windows? If someone is in your rom you are going to have the time or co-ordination to fire it? And yes even with just a primer it will go through drywall. get real.

Obviously you have never handloaded or experimented with guns:smile:
With just the primer a bullet will bounce of a rubber target holder 40 feet away.....when it reaches it:lol:

 

[Colpy]

Yeah I know that, I meant gun owners like yourself, only they live in the US. You misunderstood and I could have phrased that better.

Fair enough.

i can argue the US case.......they have a clear and unfettered individual right to keep and bear arms....therefore no law restricting sales is constitutional, at gun shows or anywhere else.

This, however still has absolutely nothing to do with the legitimate ownership of firearms in CANADA.....nothing whatsoever.

In Canada, our right to bear arms is qualified by the phrase "as allowed by law", therefore some restriction is allowed. (see the Bill of Rights of 1689)

 

[L Gilbert]

Obviously you have never handloaded or experimented with guns:smile:
With just the primer a bullet will bounce of a rubber target holder 40 feet away.....when it reaches it:lol:

lol, by the time the wadding from my shotgun reaches the muzzle after being propelled by primer, it's slowed down enough I can hold my hand in front of it. If I had a 12 Magnum, it might even hurt a little.

 

[Colpy]

Who here has actually seen someone shot in person and not on TV?

Thankfully, not I.

I've shot lots of animals in my time, with a wide variety of firearms, so I do have some idea of the lethality.....and the messiness.....of gunshot wounds.

 

[L Gilbert]

Fair enough.

i can argue the US case.......they have a clear and unfettered individual right to keep and bear arms....therefore no law restricting sales is constitutional, at gun shows or anywhere else.

This, however still has absolutely nothing to do with the legitimate ownership of firearms in CANADA.....nothing whatsoever.

In Canada, our right to bear arms is qualified by the phrase "as allowed by law", therefore some restriction is allowed. (see the Bill of Rights of 1689)

Yep.

 

[Colpy]

lol, by the time the wadding from my shotgun reaches the muzzle after being propelled by primer, it's slowed down enough I can hold my hand in front of it. If I had a 12 Magnum, it might even hurt a little.

If you hold your hand in front of and close to the muzzle of a 12 ga and discharge it, without shot or even the wad.....the escaping high pressure gas will blow your hand to bits.

DON'T try this.

In addition, even light load, small shot will penetrate walls. I tried this with a 12 ga in an abandoned house.......the lathe and plaster walls did NOT withstand my partridge load, even from across the room. That is 1 1/8 oz number 7 1/2 shot.
Zipped right through.

Don't depend on interior walls to stop any shotgun load.

as well, DAMMIT, you have to aim a shotgun. Carefully.

 

[ironsides]

Who here has actually seen someone shot in person and not on TV?

I have.

 

[ironsides]

lol, by the time the wadding from my shotgun reaches the muzzle after being propelled by primer, it's slowed down enough I can hold my hand in front of it. If I had a 12 Magnum, it might even hurt a little.

And a blank can kill.

 

[Unforgiven]

Fair enough.

i can argue the US case.......they have a clear and unfettered individual right to keep and bear arms....therefore no law restricting sales is constitutional, at gun shows or anywhere else.

This, however still has absolutely nothing to do with the legitimate ownership of firearms in CANADA.....nothing whatsoever.

In Canada, our right to bear arms is qualified by the phrase "as allowed by law", therefore some restriction is allowed. (see the Bill of Rights of 1689)

Canada and the US are tied together in this. That there are hand guns so easily accessable in the US and that you can buy one without any sort of paperwork, wait time or police check is how Canadian's end up killed by hand guns.

I think if you want a gun and you're responsible with it then that's just fine. But we have people who know that there is money to be made selling guns to gangs and are going so. This is what should be addressed by legal gun owners in both copuntries. So that there isn't a problem with guns at all.

Does anyone support gangsters having guns to commit crime?

 

[ironsides]

Fair enough.

i can argue the US case.......they have a clear and unfettered individual right to keep and bear arms....therefore no law restricting sales is constitutional, at gun shows or anywhere else.

This, however still has absolutely nothing to do with the legitimate ownership of firearms in CANADA.....nothing whatsoever.

In Canada, our right to bear arms is qualified by the phrase "as allowed by law", therefore some restriction is allowed. (see the Bill of Rights of 1689)

This could be a whole other topic, Canada accepted "The Bill of Rights an act of the Parliament of England" from 1689 unchanged as it was then?

 

[ironsides]

So you're saying that if Bob wants to sell Ted his old revolver there is some regulations in regards to that? Or more to the point If I as a legal gun owner buy a number of guns throughout the year and then have myself a garage sale and sell them off, that there is any paper work of any kind that needs to be done?

Yes, if Bob wants to sell handguns in all States except Vermont, paper work will be involved. No problem selling rifles and shotguns though. Handguns need paperwork, in all States except in Vermont where a drivers license showing residency is enough.

 

[DaSleeper]

When my kids started to show an interest in my guns which were locked, a long time before it even became law....I took the bullet an powder out of a 357 shell and showed themhow it blows a hole in a piece of cardboard held in front....then what it does to a piece of paper held besides the cylinder when shooting a live round.

I have shot at a neighbor's dog near the hen house with a 12 gauge load of peas 60 feet away as a youth and no damage to the walls of the hen house.
Damage is relative to propellant, the matter being propelled and distance...

Just as I wouldn't use the same ammunition or even the same shotgun or gauge hunting geese as I would hunting partridge ......what factor that come into play when using a shotgun and load as home deference would be the possible location of other people in the house.....if there are any.......the type and thickness of inside and outside walls and the proximity of neighbors.

Sorry about my general statement before.....I keep forgetting that this is a forum, where people dissect everything you say word by word:lol::cussing:

 

[L Gilbert]

If you hold your hand in front of and close to the muzzle of a 12 ga and discharge it, without shot or even the wad.....the escaping high pressure gas will blow your hand to bits.

DON'T try this.

In addition, even light load, small shot will penetrate walls. I tried this with a 12 ga in an abandoned house.......the lathe and plaster walls did NOT withstand my partridge load, even from across the room. That is 1 1/8 oz number 7 1/2 shot.
Zipped right through.

Don't depend on interior walls to stop any shotgun load.

as well, DAMMIT, you have to aim a shotgun. Carefully.

Colpy. You should know better. How much energy is released by a cap (primer) when struck? It's enough to set off the Hodgdon's or IMR and not much more.
When I was a kid I used to empty .22 shells, held em up on the end of a wire and hold a flame under them till the went off. They flew maybe a couple dozen feet.
As far as whetrher your 71/2 wnet through the wall or not goes, that would depend a lot on which choke you're using in front of which load, in what length of bbl, and how far away from the wall you shoot.

 

[L Gilbert]

And a blank can kill.

lol Yep. But blanks have a load of powder.

 

[Unforgiven]

Yes, if Bob wants to sell handguns in all States except Vermont, paper work will be involved. No problem selling rifles and shotguns though. Handguns need paperwork, in all States except in Vermont where a drivers license showing residency is enough.

I can't find any legislation about private sales by State. Can you link me to your information?

 

[L Gilbert]

Bureau of Justice Statistics Publications Alphabetical Listing

Specifically:
Bureau of Justice Statistics Survey of State Procedures Related to Firearm Transfers, 2005

 

[ironsides]

oops, somehow it did a ditto