Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Tecumsehsbones

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Hmm. . .

Does it seem kinda odd that during that sacred period when you could pretty much pack any kind of iron you felt like, anyplace, anytime, you could also put any kind of substance you felt like in your body? Opium. Laudanum. Marijuana. Cocaine. Alcohol in any form and any concentration.

Why do we want freedumb for one, but not the other?
 

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Oklahoma teen kills himself after accidentally shooting mom
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A tragic end to a tragic accident in Oklahoma leaves a mother and son dead.

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Police in Del City, Okla. responded to a call around 11:30 p.m. Saturday night from a neighbour who heard a gunshot coming from a home.


Officers arrived on scene to find a teenage boy lying in the street with a self-inflicted gunshot wound to his head, reported KWTV.

“They were told by people on scene there was another victim inside the house,” Maj. Bradley Rule of the Del City Police Department told the news outlet.

“Officers went in and found his mother deceased of a gunshot wound to the head in the kitchen.”

The 16-year-old was transported to hospital where he later died.

The mother was identified as 36-year-old Stephanie Rowshawne Jennings.

According to witnesses inside the home, the teen was playing with a gun in the living room when it went off.

“The bullet travelled through the wall which separated the living room from the kitchen and struck his mother in the head killing her just virtually instantly,” said Rule.


Once the teen realized what happened, he went outside and shot himself.

Police believe this was an accident and don’t suspect foul play, but the investigation is ongoing.

No one else was hurt during the incident.

“It was an accident,” Rule told People.

“I’m sure he was so distraught over what he had done for whatever reason he decided to take his own life. The whole thing is terrible.”
 

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Florida mom shot and killed by toddler during Zoom call
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A Florida woman was shot and killed by her own child while on a video conference call for work.

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Shamaya Lynn, 21, was on a Zoom call. Lynn’s colleague, who was in the same virtual meeting, called 911 about the incident, the Altamonte Springs Police Department said in a news release.


The caller told police they were on a work-related call when they “saw a toddler in the background and heard a noise.”

That’s when Lynn “fell backward and never returned to the call,” according to police.

Officers and paramedics rushed to the scene, but Lynn could not be saved after suffering a fatal gunshot wound to the head.

Investigators later determined that Lynn was shot by the toddler, who had found the loaded handgun that was left unsecured by an adult in the apartment.


Police did not confirm who owns the gun but local news station WKMG reported it belongs to the toddler’s father, who shares two children with Lynn.

According to the station, the other child was home at the time.

“The investigation is ongoing and detectives are working closely with the Seminole County State Attorney’s Office concerning any charges which may be appropriate for the owner of the firearm,” police said.
 

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Yes, BitWhys, and if you are trying to piss me off you (and Mr. Day) are succeeding ROYALLY!

That the Liberals have the ARROGANCE to whip their members over this damned thing that has cost TWO THOUSAND times what they promised, and has been used to feed money to their gangster buddies in Quebec is bad enough...........that the NDP and Bloc, being socialist idiots, will do the same is to be expected.

The registry is USELESS.

It does NOTHING but cost BILLIONS to harass honest citizens.....THAT'S IT!!!!!!

Look at the (somewhat fixed) post above..........the comparison amazed me, and it has confirmed every belief I have in the responsibility of the average citizen, and confirmed the uselessness of practically ALL gun control. A waste of time and money.

Notice if you will, as our gun laws took effect, murder rates here went UP, and while the Americans loosened their laws, murder rates went DOWN, until we kill MUCH more than they do.......

Support this crap if you will, but understand it is money that could be spent putting cops on the street, or improving health care.

As for us shooters, we'll keeping ignoring what laws we can, and obeying those we absolutely must to carry on our sport.
I feel that crime rate stats should not be censused during a "shut in" and" high tension" environment such as what we have just endured these past 3 Covid years? In "normal" stress years where one can go to social places such as movies and community parties,etc to vent, these places were naturally available during those stats studies. I say wait till it's over for stats. Don't fault the system, and they did their best, doctors and politicians to name a few. The Covid remedy was and is the right one.

However I do agree on a TOTAL "outdated weapons of war" that just a few years earlier were standard military issue including handguns. I say this for the toddlers and children and the disadvantaged out there.

I am surprised that the stats you mention shows a very minimal rise especially when all that is happening in the world and Canada is happening. Those are evidence of restraint. On the criminal element,
Somehow gun control became insanely expensive and I don't know how that happened but I don't think it is useless.

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One thing that was interesting was that the worst place for murders in the whole of the civilized world was the Northwest Territories.

FACT: Comparison of U.S. gun homicides to other industrialized countries:
In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:

* 373 people in Germany
* 151 people in Canada
* 57 people in Australia
* 19 people in Japan
* 54 people in England and Wales, and
* 11,789 people in the United States
Adjusted for national population and age groups?
 
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Ron in Regina

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O'Toole plan to tackle gun crime tops Trudeau's empty rhetoric http://apple.news/AQq8vM2cbSYGzvj6ROJnxFw

The Trudeau Liberals have been itching for a fight with the Conservatives on the issue of gun control and on Friday Erin O’Toole leaned into that fight hard. Speaking in Montreal the morning after the French language leaders’ debate, O’Toole accused the Trudeau Liberals of talking a good game but not delivering when it comes to stopping gangs from shooting up city streets across the country.

Armed with facts about the increase in homicides and gang shootings, O’Toole accused Trudeau of having all the wrong priorities.

“Gang violence has increased dramatically since the Liberals took office,” O’Toole said. “In fact, since they took office, homicides have risen 20% driven in large part by gang violence across the country.”

It was a smart move by O’Toole. The Liberals promise their gun control will make streets safer, but the increases in shootings and murders by gang members says otherwise. Instead of shying away from the issue, O’Toole pointed out that the Liberals are all talk and no action.

The Liberals have been poking the Conservatives on gun control since the beginning of the campaign, often telling reporters and the public to look at page 90 of the Conservative plan. That’s where the Conservatives say that they will repeal a cabinet order banning some 1,500 varieties of guns.

“There is no place for these weapons. They are the choice of people involved in mass murder,” Liberal candidate Bill Blair said.

Blair should know better. He used to be the police chief in Toronto. He used to be a beat cop. He knows the guns the Liberals banned are not the guns used in crime, but he’s more married to the Liberal party now than he is to the truth.

While the Liberals claim their gun ban and other measures are about public safety, the truth is gun crime in Canada is caused by gangsters with handguns, not RCMP-vetted licensed owners.

When a reporter asked Blair, Trudeau’s public safety minister, why the murder rate went down by 8% under the Harper Conservatives but has gone up 20% under the Trudeau Liberals, he went off in all directions.

Blair spoke at length about cuts to police budgets that he said the Conservatives made in 2013. Well, Blair was first elected in 2015 and has been part of the government from the beginning.

If the Liberals think that budget cuts made eight years ago are the problem, they’ve had six years to fix it.

The truth is that the Liberals simply don’t want to do the hard work of going after criminals when it’s so much easier to change regulations for licensed owners and tell the public that they are doing something when they clearly are not.

O’Toole’s plan to deal with gun crime includes giving police new powers to target gangs the way they can target terrorist organizations and their structures. It includes tougher sentences for using a gun in the commission of a crime, something the Liberals are currently lowering sentences for, and it includes more resources to stop smuggled guns from entering Canada.

The Conservative plan isn’t just about cracking down on crime, it’s about helping youth in troubled neighbourhoods find a way out through a gang exit strategy, including working with the private sector to create job opportunities.

With gun crime a problem across the country, the Trudeau Liberals want to focus on the gun and not the crime. They want to change regulations for licensed gun owners rather than stop the gangsters shooting up peaceful neighbourhoods.

O’Toole’s Conservatives actually want to do the hard work and solve the problems at the core. It’s why their plan will actually work.
 

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"Gun control groups accuse O'Toole of deceiving Canadians on firearms by 'playing with semantics"
Hilarious. The gall of these people.
The semantics game is all theirs. They have labelled everything from modern semi-auto sporters to rimfire plinkers, to double barreled dangerous game rifles as "assault weapons", and then accuse O'Toole of playing with semantics.
O'Toole was in the military, and he knows what is an assault rifle, and what is not. The guns banned in May 2020 are NOT assault weapons.
Assault weapons were banned in 1978. O'Toole merely ignored the misleading labels applied to sporting guns by gun grabbers and the Liberals, and referred back to the actual ban on assault weapons.
O'Toole is being misleading, yes, but perfectly truthful.........the Liberals and gun grabbers are getting bitten by their own dishonesty.
 

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"Gun control groups accuse O'Toole of deceiving Canadians on firearms by 'playing with semantics"
Hilarious. The gall of these people.
The semantics game is all theirs. They have labelled everything from modern semi-auto sporters to rimfire plinkers, to double barreled dangerous game rifles as "assault weapons", and then accuse O'Toole of playing with semantics.
O'Toole was in the military, and he knows what is an assault rifle, and what is not. The guns banned in May 2020 are NOT assault weapons.
Assault weapons were banned in 1978. O'Toole merely ignored the misleading labels applied to sporting guns by gun grabbers and the Liberals, and referred back to the actual ban on assault weapons.
O'Toole is being misleading, yes, but perfectly truthful.........the Liberals and gun grabbers are getting bitten by their own dishonesty.
It is what the left side of the political spectrum always does . Accuse the other side of doing what they are .
 

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It would appear that the liberals just admitted their draconian gun laws are not having the desired effect. Maybe if they targeted criminals instead of taxpayers they would have more success.
 

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The Libs. are really trying to lake something of the Toole's comments on leaving a ban on assault rifles, but scrapping Trudie's gun grab, if that's all they got the are truly phucked

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