Gun Control is Completely Useless.
- Thread starter Colpy
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It was Pierre Trudope who explained it best - a few years before he got interested in politics!
Pierre was asked "what he would do if he ever became Prime Minister"!
And he stated that if he was elected - "he would take Canada from the past into the future via the route of radical socialism"!
Reporters were skeptical so Pierre explained how he would do it: He said " a govt that he formed would be like a passenger ship in
which the passengers get on at Point A and EXPECT to be taken to Point B - but once the ship is out of sight of land - then the
ships course will be ALTERED in small increments so that the ship and passengers end up at Point C!
Instead of landing at Point B -where they had expected to reach land"!
Form this we can see that ALL LIE-beral values and policies are built on a fabric of EVASION and miss-representation whenever
there is debate or opposition! LIE-beral moral judgement REQUIRES the use of Fake News as a POLITICAL WEAPON!
A number of reporters including Czech born Lubor Zink HEARD Trudope make the remark about Radical Socialism - and later
when Our Pet Pierre chose to run for office - HE TRIED TO DENY having made the poisonous remarks!
Pierre even went so far as to threaten Zink with a lawsuit for defamation and Zink responded with PUBLIC TAUNTS in his
Toronto Sun newspaper column - DARING TRUDOPE to meet him in court! With Zink sneering: "you get your lawyers and I will get
my witnesses and we will have it out!
The Trudope response was to have Zink BANNED from any govt news media event!
And it DID NOT HELP the Trudope legal position that he had published his book "Two Innocents in Red China" in which he publicly
fawned over Chairman Mao and PRAISED what Pierre called "the genius of Chairman Mao in rushing 30 million Chinese to the
gallows"! There is nothing quite so effective as public WRITTEN praise for Soviet mass murder to blacken a reputation!
At last look - in 2018 - Pierres book and its poisonous remarks about Mao was still available in our local public library - complete with
a new introduction by son Sacha Trudope!
Thus - as a staunch LIE-beral supporter - hemerHOID is utterly UNABLE to support any LIE-beral policy in a fashion that would
be regarded by main stream Canada as being logical or sensible or factual!
FAKE NEWS is an essential tool needed to HIDE the more NASTY aspects of LIE-beral policy and has been for decades!
It is for that reason that Climate Barbie - our former LIE-beral Environment Minister would be caught explaining that if you say
something often enough then people are more willing to believe it!
This is why LIE-berals and Soviet Socialist LOONS like Nut Zone Doug are working SO VERY HARD to link Wuhan Virus and
the Environment! ALL LIE-berals and Socialists know their "climate emergency" claims are being MOCKED!
LIE-berals KNOW that their carbon tax SCAM has been EXPOSED as a gravy grab!
Last year Our idiot Boy told us that we would be getting a carbon tax "rebate" that would somehow magically be LARGER
than what we paid into the tax! Yet there WAS NO slot on our 2019 T-4 to APPLY for the rebate and NO SLOT available to tell us
HOW MUCH our rebate might be! And now it is 2020 and there IS STILL NO Place on a T-4 to show what our rebate might be!
And LIE-beals HAVE GIVEN UP talking about carbon tax scam rebates!
LIE-berals KNOW the Wuhan Pestilence IS SCARY! Thus LIE- berals see benefit in linking Wuhan Pestilence and Environmental
concerns in a false and misleading way that seems to be STANDARD LIE-beral style logic!
If it is good for LIE-berals then it does NOT have to be logical!
asking hemerHOID to be logical an truthful is like asking a cat not to hunt mice! Just NOT in his nature!
And what does any of this huge diatribe have to do with my comment to colpys statement about hoid?
If you can't stay on topic, take your meds and lay down for awhile.
Liberals hope to ban firearms used in Polytechnique, Dawson College shootings: sources
John Paul Tasker · CBC News · Posted: Apr 29, 2020 6:20 PM ET | Last Updated: 2 hours ago
A rifle owner checks the sight of his rifle at a hunting camp property in rural Ontario, west of Ottawa. (Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press)
Liberals hope to ban firearms used in Polytechnique, Dawson College shootings: sources
Public Safety Minister Bill Blair has a list of 11 firearms he wants to see banned
John Paul Tasker · CBC News · Posted: Apr 29, 2020 6:20 PM ET | Last Updated: 2 hours ago
A rifle owner checks the sight of his rifle at a hunting camp property in rural Ontario, west of Ottawa. (Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press)
The federal Liberal government is poised to ban some types of firearms — and those new prohibitions could be made public as soon as Friday, sources told Radio-Canada.
The gun control changes come in the wake of Nova Scotia's recent tragedy, which saw an armed man kill 22 people and leave others wounded. The gunman, who was not licensed to possess firearms, used guns illegally obtained in Canada and from U.S. sources.
Public Safety Minister Bill Blair has drawn up a list of firearms that he is recommending be banned in Canada and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is now reviewing that list, sources said. Trudeau's final approval could come any day now, according to the French-language division of CBC.
According to a document obtained by Radio-Canada, the list includes:
If enacted, the bans would be imposed through an order-in-council — a cabinet decree — not legislation, sources said. Parliament's attention is entirely on the pandemic right now. The government could still introduce gun control legislation down the line when the current limits on parliamentary work are lifted.
While in opposition, the Liberals criticized former prime minister Stephen Harper and his cabinet for reclassifying some firearms to a lower category — from restricted to non-restricted — through regulations. The Liberals said at the time that such classifications should be made by the police and experts, not politicians.
The Liberal Party promised in the last election campaign to ban "military-style assault weapons," saying such firearms have no place in Canada.
"On the issue of guns, one thing I can say is that not enough has changed," Trudeau said at a Sept. 20 campaign event.
"Don't get me wrong. We did take meaningful steps to address gun violence. But as long as Canadians are losing their loved ones to gun violence, not enough has changed."
Liberal gun control election promises:
Gun control advocates have been calling on the Liberal government to follow the New Zealand example. That country's prime minister moved swiftly after the deadly Christchurch mosque massacre, banning certain firearms and enacting a buyback program.
The federal government has estimated the cost of a buyback program at roughly $250 million, although some experts have suggested the number could be much higher.
Critics of this sort of ban maintain it will do little to stop crimes like those committed by the Nova Scotia shooter as criminals will still turn to the black market for weapons. They say the ban will penalize lawful gun owners by burdening them with what they call ineffectual regulations.
'Purely political'
Rod Giltaca, executive director of the Canadian Coalition of Firearm Rights, said the Nova Scotia massacre should not be used by the prime minister as an excuse to changes the firearms regime.
"No aspect of this unthinkable tragedy bears any connection to firearm regulations in Canada. Thus, the implied connection is purely political," he said.
Gun control advocates maintain the ban will reduce the number of dangerous weapons in Canada — which will in turn help prevent the diversion of firearms from lawful owners to criminals.
While Trudeau is pushing ahead with more gun control, his government still hasn't enacted amendments to the Firearms Act that were passed by Parliament last year.
As CBC News reported last week, at least 30 changes to the Firearms Act are still pending.
The legislation in question, then known as Bill C-71, made consequential amendments to the firearms regime and was passed into law in May 2019.
A spokesperson for Blair said Bill C-71 provisions will come into force "once the necessary administrative changes have been made, funding has been approved and the associated regulations have been tabled in Parliament for review."
The federal Liberal government is poised to ban some types of firearms — and those new prohibitions could be made public as soon as Friday, sources told Radio-Canada.
The gun control changes come in the wake of Nova Scotia's recent tragedy, which saw an armed man kill 22 people and leave others wounded. The gunman, who was not licensed to possess firearms, used guns illegally obtained in Canada and from U.S. sources.
Public Safety Minister Bill Blair has drawn up a list of firearms that he is recommending be banned in Canada and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is now reviewing that list, sources said. Trudeau's final approval could come any day now, according to the French-language division of CBC.
According to a document obtained by Radio-Canada, the list includes:
If enacted, the bans would be imposed through an order-in-council — a cabinet decree — not legislation, sources said. Parliament's attention is entirely on the pandemic right now. The government could still introduce gun control legislation down the line when the current limits on parliamentary work are lifted.
While in opposition, the Liberals criticized former prime minister Stephen Harper and his cabinet for reclassifying some firearms to a lower category — from restricted to non-restricted — through regulations. The Liberals said at the time that such classifications should be made by the police and experts, not politicians.
The Liberal Party promised in the last election campaign to ban "military-style assault weapons," saying such firearms have no place in Canada.
"On the issue of guns, one thing I can say is that not enough has changed," Trudeau said at a Sept. 20 campaign event.
"Don't get me wrong. We did take meaningful steps to address gun violence. But as long as Canadians are losing their loved ones to gun violence, not enough has changed."
Liberal gun control election promises:
Gun control advocates have been calling on the Liberal government to follow the New Zealand example. That country's prime minister moved swiftly after the deadly Christchurch mosque massacre, banning certain firearms and enacting a buyback program.
The federal government has estimated the cost of a buyback program at roughly $250 million, although some experts have suggested the number could be much higher.
Critics of this sort of ban maintain it will do little to stop crimes like those committed by the Nova Scotia shooter as criminals will still turn to the black market for weapons. They say the ban will penalize lawful gun owners by burdening them with what they call ineffectual regulations.
'Purely political'
Rod Giltaca, executive director of the Canadian Coalition of Firearm Rights, said the Nova Scotia massacre should not be used by the prime minister as an excuse to changes the firearms regime.
"No aspect of this unthinkable tragedy bears any connection to firearm regulations in Canada. Thus, the implied connection is purely political," he said.
Gun control advocates maintain the ban will reduce the number of dangerous weapons in Canada — which will in turn help prevent the diversion of firearms from lawful owners to criminals.
While Trudeau is pushing ahead with more gun control, his government still hasn't enacted amendments to the Firearms Act that were passed by Parliament last year.
As CBC News reported last week, at least 30 changes to the Firearms Act are still pending.
The legislation in question, then known as Bill C-71, made consequential amendments to the firearms regime and was passed into law in May 2019.
A spokesperson for Blair said Bill C-71 provisions will come into force "once the necessary administrative changes have been made, funding has been approved and the associated regulations have been tabled in Parliament for review."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-government-gun-control-friday-1.5549969
John Paul Tasker · CBC News · Posted: Apr 29, 2020 6:20 PM ET | Last Updated: 2 hours ago
A rifle owner checks the sight of his rifle at a hunting camp property in rural Ontario, west of Ottawa. (Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press)
Liberals hope to ban firearms used in Polytechnique, Dawson College shootings: sources
Public Safety Minister Bill Blair has a list of 11 firearms he wants to see banned
John Paul Tasker · CBC News · Posted: Apr 29, 2020 6:20 PM ET | Last Updated: 2 hours ago
A rifle owner checks the sight of his rifle at a hunting camp property in rural Ontario, west of Ottawa. (Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press)
The federal Liberal government is poised to ban some types of firearms — and those new prohibitions could be made public as soon as Friday, sources told Radio-Canada.
The gun control changes come in the wake of Nova Scotia's recent tragedy, which saw an armed man kill 22 people and leave others wounded. The gunman, who was not licensed to possess firearms, used guns illegally obtained in Canada and from U.S. sources.
Public Safety Minister Bill Blair has drawn up a list of firearms that he is recommending be banned in Canada and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is now reviewing that list, sources said. Trudeau's final approval could come any day now, according to the French-language division of CBC.
According to a document obtained by Radio-Canada, the list includes:
- M16, M4, AR-10 and AR-15 rifles. Those styles were used in the Sandy Hook, New Zealand, Las Vegas and Orlando mass shootings. There are an estimated 83,572 in Canada.
- Ruger Mini-14s, the type of firearm used in the École Polytechnique shooting. There are an estimated 16,859 in Canada.
- Swiss Arms Classic Green carbines. There are an estimated 1,342 in Canada.
- M14 rifles, used in the Moncton shooting. There are an estimated 5,229 in Canada.
- Vz. 58 semi-automatic rifles, used in the Quebec City mosque shooting. There are an estimated 11,593 in Canada.
- CZ Scorpion EVO 3 carbines. There are an estimated 1,813 in Canada.
- Beretta CX4 Storm carbines, the type of firearm used in the Dawson College shooting. There are an estimated 1,513 in Canada.
- Sig Sauer MCX and Sig MPX carbines and pistols. There are an estimated 1,000 in Canada.
- Robinson Arms XCR rifles. There are an estimated 1,834 in Canada.
- Firearms with a calibre (gun barrel diameter) of more than 20 mm. For example, a grenade launcher.
- Firearms capable of producing muzzle energy of more than 10,000 joules.
If enacted, the bans would be imposed through an order-in-council — a cabinet decree — not legislation, sources said. Parliament's attention is entirely on the pandemic right now. The government could still introduce gun control legislation down the line when the current limits on parliamentary work are lifted.
While in opposition, the Liberals criticized former prime minister Stephen Harper and his cabinet for reclassifying some firearms to a lower category — from restricted to non-restricted — through regulations. The Liberals said at the time that such classifications should be made by the police and experts, not politicians.
The Liberal Party promised in the last election campaign to ban "military-style assault weapons," saying such firearms have no place in Canada.
"On the issue of guns, one thing I can say is that not enough has changed," Trudeau said at a Sept. 20 campaign event.
"Don't get me wrong. We did take meaningful steps to address gun violence. But as long as Canadians are losing their loved ones to gun violence, not enough has changed."
Liberal gun control election promises:
- Ban military-style assault weapons, including the AR-15.
- Establish a buy-back program for all military-style assault weapons legally purchased in Canada.
- Work with the provinces and territories to give municipalities the ability to further restrict or ban firearms.
Gun control advocates have been calling on the Liberal government to follow the New Zealand example. That country's prime minister moved swiftly after the deadly Christchurch mosque massacre, banning certain firearms and enacting a buyback program.
The federal government has estimated the cost of a buyback program at roughly $250 million, although some experts have suggested the number could be much higher.
Critics of this sort of ban maintain it will do little to stop crimes like those committed by the Nova Scotia shooter as criminals will still turn to the black market for weapons. They say the ban will penalize lawful gun owners by burdening them with what they call ineffectual regulations.
'Purely political'
Rod Giltaca, executive director of the Canadian Coalition of Firearm Rights, said the Nova Scotia massacre should not be used by the prime minister as an excuse to changes the firearms regime.
"No aspect of this unthinkable tragedy bears any connection to firearm regulations in Canada. Thus, the implied connection is purely political," he said.
Gun control advocates maintain the ban will reduce the number of dangerous weapons in Canada — which will in turn help prevent the diversion of firearms from lawful owners to criminals.
While Trudeau is pushing ahead with more gun control, his government still hasn't enacted amendments to the Firearms Act that were passed by Parliament last year.
As CBC News reported last week, at least 30 changes to the Firearms Act are still pending.
The legislation in question, then known as Bill C-71, made consequential amendments to the firearms regime and was passed into law in May 2019.
A spokesperson for Blair said Bill C-71 provisions will come into force "once the necessary administrative changes have been made, funding has been approved and the associated regulations have been tabled in Parliament for review."
The federal Liberal government is poised to ban some types of firearms — and those new prohibitions could be made public as soon as Friday, sources told Radio-Canada.
The gun control changes come in the wake of Nova Scotia's recent tragedy, which saw an armed man kill 22 people and leave others wounded. The gunman, who was not licensed to possess firearms, used guns illegally obtained in Canada and from U.S. sources.
Public Safety Minister Bill Blair has drawn up a list of firearms that he is recommending be banned in Canada and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is now reviewing that list, sources said. Trudeau's final approval could come any day now, according to the French-language division of CBC.
According to a document obtained by Radio-Canada, the list includes:
- M16, M4, AR-10 and AR-15 rifles. Those styles were used in the Sandy Hook, New Zealand, Las Vegas and Orlando mass shootings. There are an estimated 83,572 in Canada.
- Ruger Mini-14s, the type of firearm used in the École Polytechnique shooting. There are an estimated 16,859 in Canada.
- Swiss Arms Classic Green carbines. There are an estimated 1,342 in Canada.
- M14 rifles, used in the Moncton shooting. There are an estimated 5,229 in Canada.
- Vz. 58 semi-automatic rifles, used in the Quebec City mosque shooting. There are an estimated 11,593 in Canada.
- CZ Scorpion EVO 3 carbines. There are an estimated 1,813 in Canada.
- Beretta CX4 Storm carbines, the type of firearm used in the Dawson College shooting. There are an estimated 1,513 in Canada.
- Sig Sauer MCX and Sig MPX carbines and pistols. There are an estimated 1,000 in Canada.
- Robinson Arms XCR rifles. There are an estimated 1,834 in Canada.
- Firearms with a calibre (gun barrel diameter) of more than 20 mm. For example, a grenade launcher.
- Firearms capable of producing muzzle energy of more than 10,000 joules.
If enacted, the bans would be imposed through an order-in-council — a cabinet decree — not legislation, sources said. Parliament's attention is entirely on the pandemic right now. The government could still introduce gun control legislation down the line when the current limits on parliamentary work are lifted.
While in opposition, the Liberals criticized former prime minister Stephen Harper and his cabinet for reclassifying some firearms to a lower category — from restricted to non-restricted — through regulations. The Liberals said at the time that such classifications should be made by the police and experts, not politicians.
The Liberal Party promised in the last election campaign to ban "military-style assault weapons," saying such firearms have no place in Canada.
"On the issue of guns, one thing I can say is that not enough has changed," Trudeau said at a Sept. 20 campaign event.
"Don't get me wrong. We did take meaningful steps to address gun violence. But as long as Canadians are losing their loved ones to gun violence, not enough has changed."
Liberal gun control election promises:
- Ban military-style assault weapons, including the AR-15.
- Establish a buy-back program for all military-style assault weapons legally purchased in Canada.
- Work with the provinces and territories to give municipalities the ability to further restrict or ban firearms.
Gun control advocates have been calling on the Liberal government to follow the New Zealand example. That country's prime minister moved swiftly after the deadly Christchurch mosque massacre, banning certain firearms and enacting a buyback program.
The federal government has estimated the cost of a buyback program at roughly $250 million, although some experts have suggested the number could be much higher.
Critics of this sort of ban maintain it will do little to stop crimes like those committed by the Nova Scotia shooter as criminals will still turn to the black market for weapons. They say the ban will penalize lawful gun owners by burdening them with what they call ineffectual regulations.
'Purely political'
Rod Giltaca, executive director of the Canadian Coalition of Firearm Rights, said the Nova Scotia massacre should not be used by the prime minister as an excuse to changes the firearms regime.
"No aspect of this unthinkable tragedy bears any connection to firearm regulations in Canada. Thus, the implied connection is purely political," he said.
Gun control advocates maintain the ban will reduce the number of dangerous weapons in Canada — which will in turn help prevent the diversion of firearms from lawful owners to criminals.
While Trudeau is pushing ahead with more gun control, his government still hasn't enacted amendments to the Firearms Act that were passed by Parliament last year.
As CBC News reported last week, at least 30 changes to the Firearms Act are still pending.
The legislation in question, then known as Bill C-71, made consequential amendments to the firearms regime and was passed into law in May 2019.
A spokesperson for Blair said Bill C-71 provisions will come into force "once the necessary administrative changes have been made, funding has been approved and the associated regulations have been tabled in Parliament for review."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-government-gun-control-friday-1.5549969
The solution for a liberal who wants to fix and sell a junk car is to paint it a shiny colour to sell it to another liberal!
LIE-berals are a MINOROTY GOVT WITH LIMITED PUBLIC SUPPORT thus and any effort to CIRCUMVENT PARLIAMENT
by using "Orders in Council" should be regarded as PROOF that Our idiot Boy Justin is an aspiring SOVIET SOCIALIST DICTATOR!
That hemerHOID WOULD SUPPORT USE OF Orders in Council by a minority govt that is LIKELY TO DIE
after presenting its FIRST BUDGET in spring 2021 is PROOF that hemerHOID mental capacity IS BREAKING DOWN!
LIE-beral MINORITY GOVT was elected in October 2019 AND HAS YET TO SIT IN FULL PARLIAMENT or present
a FORMAL BUDGET to be examined IN DETAIL by all MP`s and then voted on - with NON CONFIDENCE being the price of
LIE-beral failure to get the budget accepted!
ALL WE HAVE HAD SO FAR from LIE-berals is a Panic STRICKEN rollout of staggering quantities of aid money!
With NO FORMAL RECOGNITION of long term costs or the CRIPPLING LIABILITIES such aid entails!
That has to be the most idiotic response to a question I have seen yet.
The reason for more restrictions is to prevent gun violence. So, how would these increased restrictions have prevented what happened in NS.
Back up your support for more restrictions.
Oh dear - you missed a step !
The LIE-beral paints the car and sells it to another LIE-beral!
And then the LIE-beral buyer GETS A FORGIVABLE GOVT LOAN TO pay for the lemon!
And the only people who are unhappy are tax payers!
It is highly unlikely that a LIE-beral MINORITY govt would actually try to deprive Cdns of legally purchased and fully licensed property!
Using nothing more than an Order in Council - the Opposition would rip them for it!
This announcement of a vague plan should be regarded as nothing more than a CHANNEL CHANGER!
LIE-berals DESPERATELY WANT Cdn news media to talk about something OTHER than provincial plans to re-open the economy!
LIE-berals have FAILED to persuade the public that federal LIE-berals took ANY ACTION on Wuhan Virus - other than to throw open
the bank vaults and shovel out BORROWED money to the masses!
LIE-berals want to STIFLE the recent talk of who might be required to PAY BACK AID MONEY!
Nor do LIE-berals want to discuss WHY they did not issue an Amber Alert over the recent mass shootings!
Most LIE-beral presentations to the media these days are "sound and fury that signifies nothing"!
Consider the following facts:
Licensed Canadian gun owners have a murder rate 1/3 that of the general population. That despite the vast majority of licensed gun owners being from a segment of society more likely than average Canadian to kill; adult males.
Licensed gun owners submit to daily background checks, carry restrictions, and extensive gov't BS.
Meanwhile, gang bangers and idiots like the guy in NS ignore all the rules.
The analogy is clear; it is like having two kids. One is goody two shoes, obeys the rules most times, is well behaved and polite.
The other is a wild man, violent, uncontrollable, and absolutely ignores all the rules.
So, every time the bad kid goes off the rails, the parents kick the good kid.
And idiots like Hoid think that is good parenting.
Licensed Canadian gun owners have a murder rate 1/3 that of the general population. That despite the vast majority of licensed gun owners being from a segment of society more likely than average Canadian to kill; adult males.
Licensed gun owners submit to daily background checks, carry restrictions, and extensive gov't BS.
Meanwhile, gang bangers and idiots like the guy in NS ignore all the rules.
The analogy is clear; it is like having two kids. One is goody two shoes, obeys the rules most times, is well behaved and polite.
The other is a wild man, violent, uncontrollable, and absolutely ignores all the rules.
So, every time the bad kid goes off the rails, the parents kick the good kid.
And idiots like Hoid think that is good parenting.
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A lever action holds more rounds than clips available in the models mentioned above and in the right hands can be discharged nearly as quickly.
We have a gang problem not a gun problem. It's become harder for cops to track and make contact because they are ethnic gangs.
That is the problem.
Spineless whiners who enabled the gangbangers need to accept how and where they went wrong.
Until then there isnt any "moving forward".
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The liberals campaigned on gun control
They won.
What more is there to say? The people want it.
Canadians killed by firearms:
2014 - 155
2015 - 179
2016 - 223
2017 - 267
2018 - 249
Canadians are fed up with it.
There is wide spread and strong support for gun control