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If My recollection is correct , the gun registry we had exempted natives . If it saves just one child .
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You ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Jean Chretien LIE-beral gun registry..................................


specifically EXEMPTED NATIVES...........................................


after natives told LIE-berals they would offer VIOLENT RESISTANCE................................


to any govt official who tried to make them sign on to the Gun Registry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thus the LIE-beral gun registry that was specifically designed........................................


to keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable and suicidal citizens......................................


offered the most depressed, suicidal, alcoholic, drugged up, least educated people...............................


in all of Canada...............................................


permission to buy and hoard and trade for as many guns as they desired............................................


with no restrictions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



AS I recall...............................................


Natives were even exempted from taking Fire Arms Training!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Since natives are all natural hunters and woodsmen.............................


and pass on their wisdom......................................


about the best way to end their misery.......................................


with a gun shot to the head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Though Colpy might have some facts on that LACK OF training requirement for natives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Less homicide, but provinces may vary

The rate of homicides in Canada ticked down nationally by four per cent, with 15 fewer homicides in 2018 than in 2017.
But the statistics tell a different story when broken down by province. Much of the decrease in homicides came from declines in Alberta (38 fewer) and British Columbia (30 fewer), but Ontario experienced an enormous increase in homicides — 69 more than last year.
Statistics Canada analyst Greg Moreau notes that several incidents in Toronto — including the Danforth shooting one year ago (in which two people were killed), the discovery of eight victims of serial murders, and the North York van attack (in which 10 people died) — all elevated the number of homicides recorded in 2018.
The data also shows decreases in firearm-related (by eight per cent) and gang-related (by five per cent) homicides across the country, the first time they have decreased since 2013 and 2014, respectively.


Statistics Canada further notes Indigenous people continue to be victims of homicide disproportionately. Though they make up five per cent of Canada's population, Indigenous people made up 22 per cent of homicide victims.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/crime-statistics-canada-2018-1.5221011


Desperate attempt to get back on track, as this thread has been a dumpster fire for wayyyy too long.


As for the article, obviously we need to start taking peoples' guns. (sarcasm) What a farce!
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WE SHOULD BE ASKING.................................................


are there really less shootings in Canada????????????????????????????????


Or are our doctors GETTING MUCH BETTER........................................


at saving idiot gang bangers.............................................................


thus mortally wounded gang bangers..............


who in the past would become murder statistics..............


are now becoming merely badly wounded bangers..............


being counted in a DIFFERENT COLUMN??????????????


The LIE-beral facility with FAKE NUMBERS seems to be at play here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And there have been a LOT OF STABBINGS recently here in Ontari-owe .........................................


should we assume that is because in the spring...........................................


Toronto cops SHUT DOWN...........................................


that ILLEGAL gun making factory.............................................


and ARRESTED all the workers???????????????????????????????


So gang bangers are going low tech till a new gun source opens up?????????????????????????
 
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LILLEY: Hundreds of guns go missing from the Mounties, military and other departments
Brian Lilley
Published:
July 23, 2019
Updated:
July 23, 2019 10:09 AM EDT
This Toronto Sun file photo shows a Colt C8 rifle which was stolen from a Calgary police officer in 2015.
One of the arguments gun control advocates will make for calling for an outright ban on handguns or certain rifles is that if regular citizens don’t have these firearms in their homes, they can’t be lost or stolen to be used in a crime.
Newly-released documents from the RCMP and other federal departments and agencies show that if the risk of lost and stolen guns is an issue, then we better think of taking guns from the Mounties, maybe even the military.
Firearms researcher Dennis Young obtained a list of the number of guns lost or stolen by police or public agencies from 2005 through 2019 and the numbers might shock you.
A total of 640 firearms were reported lost in that time frame, another 173 were reported stolen.
Dennis Young (Postmedia Network photo)
That includes 469 handguns reported lost and another 117 handguns stolen.
According to another set of documents released through access to information legislation, that would include a Smith & Wesson 5946 RCMP service pistol that was lost by someone on the prime minister’s protection detail back in 2007.
Beyond handguns, more exotic firearms have been lost by our police and public agencies, including a report of what are only described as 13 “submachine guns.” There were a total of 10 submachine guns reported “lost” in 2015 followed by one in each of the following three years.
The RCMP detachment in North Battleford, Sask., lost a fully-automatic C8 — the type of rifle used by Canada’s military.
The RCMP also had a Federal M201-Z stolen from their warehouse.That gun is used to fire teargas or other non-lethal rounds.
Young says the political class in Ottawa want to scapegoat civilian gun owners without looking at their own system.
“(Federal cabinet ministers) Bill Blair and Ralph Goodale keep talking about the source of crime guns being from gun dealers and law-abiding owners. Here we have police and public agencies and they also have their guns lost and stolen from them,” Young said.
“You have to talk about all the sources, not just some of them.”
One of the sources of the guns floating around in the public is the Department of National Defence. In a third access to information request, Young obtained documents showing 559 firearms reported lost by the military and another 14 stolen between 2008-18.
That’s an awful lot of missing guns without an awful lot of detail or reporting.
In the meantime, the Trudeau Liberals have been increasing paperwork on civilian gun owners and making their life more difficult all in the name of stopping gang shootings on the streets.
It hasn’t worked but that isn’t stopping them from increasing the rhetoric and talking about banning handguns or some rifles from civilian ownership.
“Absolutely,” says Young when asked if he thinks licenced gun owners will be used as a political football in the coming election.
“The Liberals go by polls and they are going to follow that lead. If they think they can demonize people that aren’t the problem, then they’re going to do it.”
And demonizing legal gun owners is part of the strategy we can expect from Justin Trudeau and the Liberals this coming election.
LILLEY: Gun poll shows Torontonians want a ban
LILLEY: Still more questions than answers on escape of the meat cleaver murderer
LILLEY: Police Chief Saunders ducks responsibility on missing killer
In the last election, they falsely claimed that the Conservative changes to gun laws were letting people keep handguns in their cars. It wasn’t true.
Neither will most of what they say be true this election.
As I keep saying, the gun crime problem in Canada won’t be solved by laying more regulations on the people already following the law. It will be solved by dealing with those that break it.
http://dennisryoung.ca/2019/07/04/r...len-from-police-and-public-agencies-2005-2019
http://dennisryoung.ca/2019/07/20/rcmps-list-of-lost-stolen-guns-by-type-by-year-2010-2017
http://dennisryoung.ca/2018/11/04/national-defence-reports-559-lost-weapons-14-stolen-weapons
http://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...m-the-mounties-military-and-other-departments
 
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LILLEY: Hundreds of guns go missing from the Mounties, military and other departments
Brian Lilley
Published:
July 23, 2019
Updated:
July 23, 2019 10:09 AM EDT
This Toronto Sun file photo shows a Colt C8 rifle which was stolen from a Calgary police officer in 2015.
One of the arguments gun control advocates will make for calling for an outright ban on handguns or certain rifles is that if regular citizens don’t have these firearms in their homes, they can’t be lost or stolen to be used in a crime.
Newly-released documents from the RCMP and other federal departments and agencies show that if the risk of lost and stolen guns is an issue, then we better think of taking guns from the Mounties, maybe even the military.
Firearms researcher Dennis Young obtained a list of the number of guns lost or stolen by police or public agencies from 2005 through 2019 and the numbers might shock you.
A total of 640 firearms were reported lost in that time frame, another 173 were reported stolen.
Dennis Young (Postmedia Network photo)
That includes 469 handguns reported lost and another 117 handguns stolen.
According to another set of documents released through access to information legislation, that would include a Smith & Wesson 5946 RCMP service pistol that was lost by someone on the prime minister’s protection detail back in 2007.
Beyond handguns, more exotic firearms have been lost by our police and public agencies, including a report of what are only described as 13 “submachine guns.” There were a total of 10 submachine guns reported “lost” in 2015 followed by one in each of the following three years.
The RCMP detachment in North Battleford, Sask., lost a fully-automatic C8 — the type of rifle used by Canada’s military.
The RCMP also had a Federal M201-Z stolen from their warehouse.That gun is used to fire teargas or other non-lethal rounds.
Young says the political class in Ottawa want to scapegoat civilian gun owners without looking at their own system.
“(Federal cabinet ministers) Bill Blair and Ralph Goodale keep talking about the source of crime guns being from gun dealers and law-abiding owners. Here we have police and public agencies and they also have their guns lost and stolen from them,” Young said.
“You have to talk about all the sources, not just some of them.”
One of the sources of the guns floating around in the public is the Department of National Defence. In a third access to information request, Young obtained documents showing 559 firearms reported lost by the military and another 14 stolen between 2008-18.
That’s an awful lot of missing guns without an awful lot of detail or reporting.
In the meantime, the Trudeau Liberals have been increasing paperwork on civilian gun owners and making their life more difficult all in the name of stopping gang shootings on the streets.
It hasn’t worked but that isn’t stopping them from increasing the rhetoric and talking about banning handguns or some rifles from civilian ownership.
“Absolutely,” says Young when asked if he thinks licenced gun owners will be used as a political football in the coming election.
“The Liberals go by polls and they are going to follow that lead. If they think they can demonize people that aren’t the problem, then they’re going to do it.”
And demonizing legal gun owners is part of the strategy we can expect from Justin Trudeau and the Liberals this coming election.
LILLEY: Gun poll shows Torontonians want a ban
LILLEY: Still more questions than answers on escape of the meat cleaver murderer
LILLEY: Police Chief Saunders ducks responsibility on missing killer
In the last election, they falsely claimed that the Conservative changes to gun laws were letting people keep handguns in their cars. It wasn’t true.
Neither will most of what they say be true this election.
As I keep saying, the gun crime problem in Canada won’t be solved by laying more regulations on the people already following the law. It will be solved by dealing with those that break it.
http://dennisryoung.ca/2019/07/04/r...len-from-police-and-public-agencies-2005-2019
http://dennisryoung.ca/2019/07/20/rcmps-list-of-lost-stolen-guns-by-type-by-year-2010-2017
http://dennisryoung.ca/2018/11/04/national-defence-reports-559-lost-weapons-14-stolen-weapons
http://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...m-the-mounties-military-and-other-departments
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Now we know where Blair got his figures about locally sourced stolen guns . These guys need the registry not hunters and farmers .
 
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pgs said:
Now we know where Blair got his figures about locally sourced stolen guns . These guys need the registry not hunters and farmers .
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So much easier to lose $1000 worth of firearm when you didn't pay for it.


Ever hear of a civvy losing his own gun?


I haven't.
 
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Colpy said:
So much easier to lose $1000 worth of firearm when you didn't pay for it.


Ever hear of a civvy losing his own gun?


I haven't.
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I have heard the odd yarn of hunters misplacing their guns in the forest and finding them five years later , but are they fact or fiction , who knows .
 
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Hoid said:
More than 10,000 guns are listed as missing or stolen in Alberta, and many of them are now the hands of criminals, RCMP are warning.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmo...in-alberta-more-dangerous-rcmp-warn-1.3401727
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Over what, 10 years?


And exactly what are you proposing?


Oh yeah, and in Alberta, a large number of guns were stolen.....by the RCMP. But I guess that is the kind of society you would like.....entry without warrant, search without due cause, seizure without due cause. No protection for the citizen.



https://nationalpost.com/news/canad...al-rcmp-home-and-gun-sweeps-during-2013-flood
 
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Colpy said:
So much easier to lose $1000 worth of firearm when you didn't pay for it.
Ever hear of a civvy losing his own gun?
I haven't.
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Yes. I have heard of thousands and thousands of those civvies losing their gun,

How is it that a self identified expert on firearms has not?
 
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200k in America and 10k in Alberta.

Yes

I referred to 210,000 lost/stolen guns as "thousands and thousands".
 
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Colpy said:
Over what, 10 years?
And exactly what are you proposing?
Oh yeah, and in Alberta, a large number of guns were stolen.....by the RCMP. But I guess that is the kind of society you would like.....entry without warrant, search without due cause, seizure without due cause. No protection for the citizen.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canad...al-rcmp-home-and-gun-sweeps-during-2013-flood
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Well, yeah, but only if the citizen "hates America" and should "go back."

Hint: you can tell by the melanin.
 
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LILLEY: Hundreds of guns go missing from the Mounties, military and other departments
Brian Lilley
Published:
July 23, 2019
Updated:
July 23, 2019 10:09 AM EDT
This Toronto Sun file photo shows a Colt C8 rifle which was stolen from a Calgary police officer in 2015.
One of the arguments gun control advocates will make for calling for an outright ban on handguns or certain rifles is that if regular citizens don’t have these firearms in their homes, they can’t be lost or stolen to be used in a crime.
Newly-released documents from the RCMP and other federal departments and agencies show that if the risk of lost and stolen guns is an issue, then we better think of taking guns from the Mounties, maybe even the military.
Firearms researcher Dennis Young obtained a list of the number of guns lost or stolen by police or public agencies from 2005 through 2019 and the numbers might shock you.
A total of 640 firearms were reported lost in that time frame, another 173 were reported stolen.
Dennis Young (Postmedia Network photo)
That includes 469 handguns reported lost and another 117 handguns stolen.
According to another set of documents released through access to information legislation, that would include a Smith & Wesson 5946 RCMP service pistol that was lost by someone on the prime minister’s protection detail back in 2007.
Beyond handguns, more exotic firearms have been lost by our police and public agencies, including a report of what are only described as 13 “submachine guns.” There were a total of 10 submachine guns reported “lost” in 2015 followed by one in each of the following three years.
The RCMP detachment in North Battleford, Sask., lost a fully-automatic C8 — the type of rifle used by Canada’s military.
The RCMP also had a Federal M201-Z stolen from their warehouse.That gun is used to fire teargas or other non-lethal rounds.
Young says the political class in Ottawa want to scapegoat civilian gun owners without looking at their own system.
“(Federal cabinet ministers) Bill Blair and Ralph Goodale keep talking about the source of crime guns being from gun dealers and law-abiding owners. Here we have police and public agencies and they also have their guns lost and stolen from them,” Young said.
“You have to talk about all the sources, not just some of them.”
One of the sources of the guns floating around in the public is the Department of National Defence. In a third access to information request, Young obtained documents showing 559 firearms reported lost by the military and another 14 stolen between 2008-18.
That’s an awful lot of missing guns without an awful lot of detail or reporting.
In the meantime, the Trudeau Liberals have been increasing paperwork on civilian gun owners and making their life more difficult all in the name of stopping gang shootings on the streets.
It hasn’t worked but that isn’t stopping them from increasing the rhetoric and talking about banning handguns or some rifles from civilian ownership.
“Absolutely,” says Young when asked if he thinks licenced gun owners will be used as a political football in the coming election.
“The Liberals go by polls and they are going to follow that lead. If they think they can demonize people that aren’t the problem, then they’re going to do it.”
And demonizing legal gun owners is part of the strategy we can expect from Justin Trudeau and the Liberals this coming election.
LILLEY: Gun poll shows Torontonians want a ban
LILLEY: Still more questions than answers on escape of the meat cleaver murderer
LILLEY: Police Chief Saunders ducks responsibility on missing killer
In the last election, they falsely claimed that the Conservative changes to gun laws were letting people keep handguns in their cars. It wasn’t true.
Neither will most of what they say be true this election.
As I keep saying, the gun crime problem in Canada won’t be solved by laying more regulations on the people already following the law. It will be solved by dealing with those that break it.
http://dennisryoung.ca/2019/07/04/r...len-from-police-and-public-agencies-2005-2019
http://dennisryoung.ca/2019/07/20/rcmps-list-of-lost-stolen-guns-by-type-by-year-2010-2017
http://dennisryoung.ca/2018/11/04/national-defence-reports-559-lost-weapons-14-stolen-weapons
http://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...m-the-mounties-military-and-other-departments
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With all the stuff they misplace.......................................


you have to wonder how some of our civil service union HOGS...................................


find their way back to their office after lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Although most of this MESS really should be blamed on CIVILIAN Support workers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Its usually some file clerk hired under the Cdn LIE-beral version of affirmative action"...............................


that is to blame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I have heard the odd yarn of hunters misplacing their guns in the forest and finding them five years later , but are they fact or fiction , who knows .
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Actually...........................................


in the years before the current requirement and regulations for getting a firearm license...............


were put in place.........................................



the Toronto Star did an article about how many goofs were buying up hordes of guns and "LOSING THEM"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Which is criminal slang" meaning "the guns were sold under the table to criminals..........................


in exchange FOR HARD DRUGS"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Once upon a time you could buy up all the guns you wanted..............................


and resell them to criminals who were not ALLOWED to possess guns........................................


Once you had your license you could buy as many guns as you wanted..............................


NOBODY KEPT TRACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


so really nothing much has changed...........................................


people STILL SELL GUNS to criminals............................................


but now the gins must first be BOUGHT.........................................


either from morally bent clerks at cop shops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


OR bought from natives who have successfully defied LIE-beral firearms laws.............................


and natives apparently have turned gun running into a little cottage industry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And you have to wonder HOW GOOD ANY of the LIE-beral gun paper is anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Can you just see some lawyer sitting there reading the will of some old dead guy................................


and the lawyer is asking the inheritors of the estate..................................


about the TWENTY FIRE ARMS that were listed in the name of the dead guy????????????????


AND NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THE FIRE ARMS WENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Because the guy SOLD them under the table a decade before to buy whiskey or viagra or cancer medication!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Becasue the old guy KNOWS he will BE OUT OF REACH................................


by the time ANYBODY ASKS about his guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Want to BET the civil service HOGS just SHRUG and quietly DELETE THE FILES.............................


because HOGS DO NOT WANT to see idiot LIE-berals..........................................


and their utterly ineffective legal system EXPOSED...............................


to EVEN MORE PUBLIC RIDICULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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