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That would actually make things worse. Right now, in Canada, I can criticize the government publicly and the chances of violence are low. On the other hand, if I had no rights or freedoms, criticizing the government would likely be met with state violence.
But if it saves just one life, I say it would be worth it.
 

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But if it saves just one life, I say it would be worth it.

Worth what? You're responding to me saying that restricting all rights and freedoms would actually lead to more violence. So you're saying that if it saves one life, it would be worth all that violence. No, that's ridiculous, right? But as it turns out, the state does restrict some freedom and does so at the threat of violence. A perfectly harmonious society is impossible, so political debate among the reasonable revolves around the balance of freedom and security.
 

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Worth what? You're responding to me saying that restricting all rights and freedoms would actually lead to more violence. So you're saying that if it saves one life, it would be worth all that violence. No, that's ridiculous, right? But as it turns out, the state does restrict some freedom and does so at the threat of violence. A perfectly harmonious society is impossible, so political debate among the reasonable revolves around the balance of freedom and security.
What, you mean there's no one, absolute, ultimately correct, extreme answer without exceptions or shades of grey?

Heresy!

 

JamesBondo

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Worth what? You're responding to me saying that restricting all rights and freedoms would actually lead to more violence. So you're saying that if it saves one life, it would be worth all that violence. No, that's ridiculous, right? But as it turns out, the state does restrict some freedom and does so at the threat of violence. A perfectly harmonious society is impossible, so political debate among the reasonable revolves around the balance of freedom and security.

I'm not sure where our conversation went astray, I was attempting to say that we could achieve the ultimate reducton of violence by taking away all rights and freedoms. And then I suggested that taking away all rights and freedoms would be worth it if we could save just one life.
 

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Girl, 13, shoots elderly couple who let her off for shoplifting: Police
Jim Salter, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 05:30 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 05:36 PM EDT
BELLEFONTAINE NEIGHBORS, Mo. -- A 13-year-old suburban St. Louis girl shot and critically wounded a couple who had let her go with a warning earlier that day after catching her and a friend trying to steal from their beauty shop, authorities said Wednesday.
The girl, accompanied by her family, surrendered to the police on Wednesday, Bellefontaine Neighbors police Chief Jeremy Ihler said. He declined to release her name or that of the victims, who are in their 70s and whose child owns the store, King's Beauty Supply.
According to police, the couple caught the girl and a friend trying to shoplift on Tuesday and kicked them out of the store. They recovered the items -- believed to hair extensions -- and didn't report the incident.
The girls returned later that day, though, and the couple called police, who found the girls in an adjacent parking lot. Officers detained one of the girls on a previous juvenile warrant and released the other, with the couple's approval, police said. Investigators believe the girl who was released returned later and shot the couple. A witness reported seeing her enter the store and emerge a short time later, running with a revolver in her hand, police said.
"I'm speechless that it was a 13-year-old girl with a handgun," Ihler said.
Police searched for the girl after the shooting, but their dogs lost her scent in a wooded area between the store and a residential area. Before she surrendered Wednesday, police had warned that she should be considered armed and dangerous.
The couple often worked at the beauty shop, even though they speak Korean and their English isn't great, authorities said.
"They're very forgiving people," Ihler said. "The phrase, 'No good deed goes unpunished' fits right here."
Girl, 13, shoots elderly couple who let her off for shoplifting: Police | World
 

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Girl, 13, shoots elderly couple who let her off for shoplifting: Police
Jim Salter, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 05:30 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 05:36 PM EDT
BELLEFONTAINE NEIGHBORS, Mo. -- A 13-year-old suburban St. Louis girl shot and critically wounded a couple who had let her go with a warning earlier that day after catching her and a friend trying to steal from their beauty shop, authorities said Wednesday.
Girl, 13, shoots elderly couple who let her off for shoplifting: Police | World


What a f**king brat! Missouri needs another woodshed methinks!
 

JamesBondo

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Could it be that the responsible adult that picked her up from the police station is not a responsible adult?
 

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Wow. That is sickening. Chicago has more murders per year than the entire country of Canada.

What is more sickening is the misinformation that the coalition for gun control propagates. They know that Canada's stats have always been better than the USA. They know that canada's stats preceeded our control laws. Why don't they find the real reasons why we have awesome stats?

Instead of identifying the reasons - if shared with Chicago, it could save lives - they perpetuate the myth that gun control can help Chicago.
 

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The US shipped $1.3B to Syria in small arms and more guns on 'their side' doesn't seem to have helped very much. Perhaps a big win for open carry districts will be the incentive that is needed to have the wild west return for a short while. You get enough potential defendants executed before arrest crime is probably going to go down in that city/district.
 

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Wow. That is sickening. Chicago has more murders per year than the entire country of Canada.

What is more sickening is the misinformation that the coalition for gun control propagates. They know that Canada's stats have always been better than the USA. They know that canada's stats preceeded our control laws. Why don't they find the real reasons why we have awesome stats?

Instead of identifying the reasons - if shared with Chicago, it could save lives - they perpetuate the myth that gun control can help Chicago.


You think Chicago is bad, try E. St. Louis! downright dangerous. Chicago has 15.65 homicides (not murders) per 100,000, Canada has 1.45 homicides per 100,000.

Wow. That is sickening. Chicago has more murders per year than the entire country of Canada.


Of course you are comparing apples to oranges. Population density plays a large role too. (Chicago has thousands of people per square mile whereas Canada might have 10, so the targets are much closer in Chicago) :) :)
 

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Brother, 9, accidentally shoots younger brother, 5, in the head
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First posted: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 07:51 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 08:01 PM EDT
MARRERO, La. -- The mother of a 5-year-old Louisiana boy faces a child desertion charge after the child's 9-year-old brother accidentally shot him in the head, authorities said Wednesday.
Col. John Fortunato, a spokesman for the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office, said 29-year-old Generra Brown was issued a court summons for the misdemeanour charge because she left the children unsupervised at a Marrero home before the Tuesday evening shooting that killed her son, Melvin Brady.
Fortunato said investigators believe that Brown, a home health care professional, was caring for a neighbour across the street when her 9-year-old son found a loaded gun while he and his brother were playing in a bedroom closet. As the older brother handled the handgun, it fired one shot that struck the younger child.
The 5-year-old was pronounced dead at the scene.
Officers responded to the shooting around 6:30 p.m. on Tuesday. Brown dialed 911 after learning about the shooting from the older child.
Brother, 9, accidentally shoots younger brother, 5, in the head | World | News |
 

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A 3-year-old girl drowned Thursday morning in her baby sitter’s backyard swimming pool, Wichita police said.

The child was playing in the backyard of the sitter’s house in the 1400 block of South Sedgwick, near Harry and Meridian, police said. A 5-year-old also was playing in the backyard at the time.

The 3-year-old managed to get into an above-ground pool that was about 4 feet high. She was pronounced dead at the scene, according to Wichita police Sgt. Nikki Woodrow.

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Sgt. Nikki Woodrow, Wichita police spokeswoman, gives a statement involving a 3-year-old girl who drowned in her baby sitter’s backyard swimming pool Thursday morning. (Bo Rader/kansas.com)
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“When first responders arrived on scene, they located a 3-year-old that had been in a pool; we are not sure for how long,” Woodrow said.

Emergency personnel were not able to resuscitate the child, she said.

Woodrow said the baby sitter and three other children were in the house at the time of the drowning. Woodrow said she did not think the woman was a licensed day care provider.

The Kansas Department of Health and Environment, which oversees licensed day cares in Kansas, recommends that if an above-ground pool is present, the steps be removed when the pool is not in use.

Woodrow said police are still investigating the case. No arrests have been made.

An hour after the 911 call at about 10:30 a.m., parents were running up to the house, some crying and gratefully clutching children. Some hugged other parents.

Woodrow said all families with children at the residence had been notified.

Read more here: Wichita child drowns in daycare provider's pool | The Wichita Eagle
 

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