Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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OK. The rolls of rebels, traitors, and criminals contain some pretty noble names.
And a bunch of real scummy ones.
In Canada, they get hanged for treason.....like Louis Riel...
I wonder if and when Trudeau will apologise for that....
I wonder if and when Trudeau will apologise for that....
I'm glad for the second paragraph then because to me a court ruling isn't going to prove something is true or logically correct. I'd need to hear the actual argument.
But again, we need to get to first principles in this debate. You say that self-defense is a natural right. To me "natural right" is legal concept attempting to disguise itself as existing before formal law. There are no natural rights, in my opinion. We could get into that, but you also mentioned "illegitimate" attempts to take your life. If something is legitimate or illegitimate, it would have to have proceeded from some kind of legal considering. It seems that if you had a natural right to self defense that preceded all law, then the question of the legitimacy of an attempt on your life is irrelevant. Your right to defend yourself would precede the legitimizing authority.
Sorry I was slow replying. I don't notice this thread if it's not bumped up and it was a long weekend too.
I guess you are obviously missing my whole point. Let's say there are 10 more laws on the books regarding guns. How much would that decrease gun crime? Get my point?
Is your point that more gun regulation won't reduce gun crime?
Oh, there's some light there. Why might toughening up sentences reduce the problem?
So... Are you guys any closer to consensus or are you just chasing each others' tails now?
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let's for one moment consider your idea that there are no natural rights..existing rights that preceed formal law..........the right to self defense exists in the magna Carta. How old is it? 700 years? So if formal law has existed that long or longer, would it be so wrong for me to say that it is a natural right that modern governments can neither grant or take away.
Father accidentally shoots, kills teenage son at Florida gun range
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Monday, July 04, 2016 05:44 PM EDT | Updated: Monday, July 04, 2016 07:40 PM EDT
SARASOTA, Fla. -- Authorities say a 14-year-old boy was accidentally shot and killed by his father at a Florida gun range.
William Brumby was firing his weapon at the High Noon Gun Range in Sarasota on Sunday when a spent shell casing deflected off a nearby wall and landed inside the back of his shirt.
A statement from the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office says Brumby tried to remove the shell with his right hand, which was holding the gun and accidentally fired the gun at his son, who was standing directly behind him.
Stephen J. Brumby, later died at a hospital. The father's two other children were with him but were not injured.
Police say they are continuing their investigation after reviewing a video of the shooting and talking to witnesses. No charges have been filed against Brumby.
Father accidentally shoots, kills teenage son at Florida gun range | World | New
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Monday, July 04, 2016 05:44 PM EDT | Updated: Monday, July 04, 2016 07:40 PM EDT
SARASOTA, Fla. -- Authorities say a 14-year-old boy was accidentally shot and killed by his father at a Florida gun range.
William Brumby was firing his weapon at the High Noon Gun Range in Sarasota on Sunday when a spent shell casing deflected off a nearby wall and landed inside the back of his shirt.
A statement from the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office says Brumby tried to remove the shell with his right hand, which was holding the gun and accidentally fired the gun at his son, who was standing directly behind him.
Stephen J. Brumby, later died at a hospital. The father's two other children were with him but were not injured.
Police say they are continuing their investigation after reviewing a video of the shooting and talking to witnesses. No charges have been filed against Brumby.
Father accidentally shoots, kills teenage son at Florida gun range | World | New
Yes, if we consider the idea that there are no natural rights, is it wrong to say that something is a natural right.
And there's the debate. Are there rights at all?
Not really. Certainly not in any objectively observable or quantifiable way.
Do you have a right to life? Of course not. If you did, nobody'd ever die, much less die "before their time."
The best definition of "right" I ever could come up with was "an area of life where the will of the holder of the right cannot be challenged." That is, of course, a human construction, as artificial and arbitrary as the rules of soccer, and abrogated on a regular basis without consequences.
So there you go. No rights, merely fancy language dressing up a consensus that's fraying.
Exactly, so we need to ask ourselves if unrestricted access to guns is a good idea not if we have an inalienable right to it.
There is no difference between the 2 rifles shown except the way they look. Both come in the same caliber and both can come in semi automatic. Both are used for hunting.
At this point in time, no one in North America has unrestricted access to "guns".