Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[bluebyrd35]

Survivors of Colorado 'Batman' Mass Shootings Testify


So coming up wit these RARE occurrences where there is ?possible justification to shooting someone to death, is a good enough reason to allow every man, woman to carry a concealed weapon with little or no gun control a good idea??

In my opinion, the link I posted proves it to be a very bad idea. That man killed 12 and injured 70. It is somewhat hard to give credence to those who argue for little or no gun control, when simply debating,those same people often lose control and verbally abuse someone with a different view of the topic.

 

[Colpy]

Because, you know, there is no tradition of firearms use in Canada.

High school yearbook pic, Sarnia Ontario, 1976

Survivors of Colorado 'Batman' Mass Shootings Testify


So coming up wit these RARE occurrences where there is ?possible justification to shooting someone to death, is a good enough reason to allow every man, woman to carry a concealed weapon with little or no gun control a good idea??

In my opinion, the link I posted proves it to be a very bad idea. That man killed 12 and injured 70. It is somewhat hard to give credence to those who argue for little or no gun control, when simply debating,those same people often lose control and verbally abuse someone with a different view of the topic.

That would all be very nice, except that the shooting occured, as most mass shootings do, in a place where citizens were not allowed to carry.

How would you have prevented this?

 

[bluebyrd35]

So this guy shot all those people with a single hand gun?? Even two?? I don't think so. 20 psychiatrists, declared him schizophrenic and psychotic. How the heck did he get guns, and tear gas?? Where were the checks on this guy,s mental status. Where was the waiting period while they checked. I am saying better control of where guns are bought and sold and checking criminal records and mental status may have given some indication he should not have a gun. There will always be people pushed beyond their tolerance levels, either by words, illness or hatred, that will pick up a gun and shoot to kill. I worked in an Emergency Dept. for nearly 30 years and I know there are an awful lot of people out there that should, must not have access to a gun.



And for heavens sake, my younger sister went hunting with my dad all the time. I preferred to enjoy photographing the wildlife.

That girls" rifle club was supervised I assume. Please quit assuming only you know about gun clubs, hunting, target shooting. The gun laws in Canada are good and those in the USA are not. Despite throwing around all those stats you and I both know, there hasn't been accurate records kept, since the NRA put pressure on the government to cut back the spending on the one place that kept good records, simply because it was becoming obvious the laws were NOT adequate. You can play with every kind of survey you want, but unless EVERY gun injury, death, and threat is obligated to be reported to a body that doesn't have an axe to grind, and are adequately funded, they are worth nothing. They can be played every which way the body doing the survey wants to bend them.

So, because there was a girls rifle club in Sarnia in 1976, we should throw out all the gun laws that work for Canada?? We've been over this ground so many times, and you will always want to be allowed to play warrior and I want as much safety as possible without stopping responsible handling of guns. So call it quits, neither of us will change.

 

[JamesBondo]

So coming up wit these RARE occurrences where there is ?possible justification to shooting someone to death, is a good enough reason to allow every man, woman to carry a concealed weapon with little or no gun control a good idea??
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You use the same rare occurrences as a reason to justify taking away firearms from every man, woman, and forget about logic because this will somehow magically disarm all the bad guys.

 

[bluebyrd35]

You use the same rare occurrences as a reason to justify taking away firearms from every man, woman, and forget about logic because this will somehow magically disarm all the bad guys.

I repeat as you don't seem to grasp what I keep saying

So.we should throw out all the gun laws that work for Canada?? We've been over this ground so many times, and you will always want to be allowed to play warrior and I want as much safety as possible without stopping responsible handling of guns. So call it quits"

Mass shootings in the US are not rare......in fact there is one nearly every day!! Can't come close to that with a good guy with a gun stopping even one every week!!

I seem to be saying the same thing nearly every post.......It is not about taking firearms from every man and woman......It is about NOT changing the laws where every man woman NEEDS to have to carry one in Canada. Please STOP assuming something that I do not say, have never said and try understanding what I really do say.

Oh well, it is said that some people need to hear or read something at least 10 times before they remember it.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Mass shootings in the US are not rare......in fact there is one nearly every day!! Can't come close to that with a good guy with a gun stopping even one every week!!

You're insane. Nearly every day? We have, on average, 160 people killed per year in mass shootings, defined as deaths of four or more people. So that means even if every mass shooting was the minimum size possible, that'd be 40 per year. There's 365 days in a year (366 in years evenly divisible by four).

Do the arithmetic.

 

[DaSleeper]

Logic and "feelings" don't mix.....

 

[JamesBondo]

I repeat as you don't seem to grasp what I keep saying

So.we should throw out all the gun laws that work for Canada??

First off, it has never been rationally proven that they work, but lets pretend that they do for one moment...


The limitations imposed on lawful gun owners must be rationally connected to the objective of the law in question. In a free country like Canada, any limitations to lawful ownership ought not to be arbitrary, or unconnected to the purpose of the law.

Secondly, if the government could achieve its legislative objective
another way, one that involves less limitations on lawful gun owners, the government ought to do so. Many
gun control arguments fail to satisfy this principle.

And lastly, the overall benefits and effects of the law in question need to be reviewed. We should ask if the limitations set on lawful gun owners are proportional to the importance of that law’s purpose. You ought not create a system that outlaws 2 million defensive gun uses in order to prevent the 1 defensive gun use that was not justifiable.

 

[DaSleeper]

See post #5049

 

[bluebyrd35]

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This is the link I tried to post. In any case, I am not insane and the criteria for a mass killing has changed even by the FBI. You do realize I am talking about the US....not lanada.

I am neither insane nor stupid. I am simply going by what I read. Since my garden is more important to me right now, either look it up for yourself or wait until I get my spring planting under control.

J. Bondo, So what in your opinion is wrong with Canada's laws?? I have never found yellow crime tape at the end of my Road in Canada, like I have done in Florida.....I am 1/2 block from the ocean there and !/2 block from the Halifax River and have seen it more than once there. And this is a particularly quiet neighborhood.

In Quebec. the road I live on does not have blocks but I have never seen crime scene tape within 60 kilometers either way.

 

[B00Mer]

They really need to change the title of this thread to: "bluebyrd35 is Completely Useless."

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kHuSE3qOsQ

 

[JLM]

They really need to change the title of this thread to: "bluebyrd35 is Completely Useless."

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kHuSE3qOsQ

That would be a little unkind, there's far bigger pests on the forum than her. She's just opinionated unlike most of us.

 

[bluebyrd35]

Yeah useless, but then I can afford not only the time to be useless, but can have a fair bit of fun poking a sharp stick into gun-nut's overinflated balloons.

 

[pgs]

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This is the link I tried to post. In any case, I am not insane and the criteria for a mass killing has changed even by the FBI. You do realize I am talking about the US....not lanada.

I am neither insane nor stupid. I am simply going by what I read. Since my garden is more important to me right now, either look it up for yourself or wait until I get my spring planting under control.

J. Bondo, So what in your opinion is wrong with Canada's laws?? I have never found yellow crime tape at the end of my Road in Canada, like I have done in Florida.....I am 1/2 block from the ocean there and !/2 block from the Halifax River and have seen it more than once there. And this is a particularly quiet neighborhood.

In Quebec. the road I live on does not have blocks but I have never seen crime scene tape within 60 kilometers either way.

There have been shootings in my neighbourhood in Canada practically every night for the last 2 months .
Funny how that happens in Canada between a gang of Somali youths and a gang of South Asian youths .

 

[JamesBondo]

In Quebec. the road I live on does not have blocks but I have never seen crime scene tape within 60 kilometers either way.

I trust that you would agree with me that it is an irresponsible government that would base gun control policy on the comparison of 2 neighborhoods which 'bluebyrd35' on the internet lives.

Nevertheless, thanks for sharing your experience.

J. Bondo, So what in your opinion is wrong with Canada's[gun] laws??

For starters, I have to send away, by mail, for a PAL. This process takes a minimum of 3 months before they look at it. Essentially, it is a review of 2 pieces of paper, and a police records check. What is wrong with this? Well, I already have a police records check because I volunteer for various youth groups. Last year, I needed to renew my PRC, it took 20 minutes ONLINE. So please tell me there isn't a big lie related to the police records check for my PAL.

secondly, the SCC has ruled that an airpistol is a defacto weapon, even if they are not considered a firearm. So now, I have to worry about concealed weapons charges,or unsafe storage charges, or unsafe transportation charges, or unsafe usage charges for something that is not regulated under the PAL licensing system, nor are there any clear standards outlined by the criminal code of canada.....yep, a bb gun could land a person in courts for a crime that isn't even described as a crime yet. Each and every case will be setting new presidence. wtf, eh?

 

[bluebyrd35]

I trust that you would agree with me that it is an irresponsible government that would base gun control policy on the comparison of 2 neighborhoods which 'bluebyrd35' on the internet lives.

Nevertheless, thanks for sharing your experience.



For starters, I have to send away, by mail, for a PAL. This process takes a minimum of 3 months before they look at it. Essentially, it is a review of 2 pieces of paper, and a police records check. What is wrong with this? Well, I already have a police records check because I volunteer for various youth groups. Last year, I needed to renew my PRC, it took 20 minutes ONLINE. So please tell me there isn't a big lie related to the police records check for my PAL.

secondly, the SCC has ruled that an airpistol is a defacto weapon, even if they are not considered a firearm. So now, I have to worry about concealed weapons charges,or unsafe storage charges, or unsafe transportation charges, or unsafe usage charges for something that is not regulated under the PAL licensing system, nor are there any clear standards outlined by the criminal code of canada.....yep, a bb gun could land a person in courts for a crime that isn't even described as a crime yet. Each and every case will be setting new presidence. wtf, eh?

You're welcome. I assume you realize that Canada does just that. LOL. When a government realizes that stats in a country that allows very little control over armaments gets the reputation of having the highest rates of gun violence in the developed world; and then ]takes a more jaundice view and institutes a more restrictive policy, this is good management.

Frankly, I am thankful, our government sticks with what has proven to be less pleasing to gun owners but a boon in the eyes of the average Canadian. So my dear, suck lit up. .

There have been shootings in my neighbourhood in Canada practically every night for the last 2 months .
Funny how that happens in Canada between a gang of Somali youths and a gang of South Asian youths .

Well hang in there, fairly soon it will be brought under control, unless, certain gun owners get the law changed to that used in the country with the HIGHEST gun violence stats in the developed world.

 

[B00Mer]

Yeah useless, but then I can afford not only the time to be useless, but can have a fair bit of fun poking a sharp stick into gun-nut's overinflated balloons.

Hey, Welfare is not supposed to be a career choice. Get a job.

 

[JLM]

Hey BB- You're really "dug in" on this topic. Is it worth all the time, effort and frustration? You have to learn to accept others' opinions as being valid like yours and find yourself a hobby.

 

[pgs]

You're welcome. I assume you realize that Canada does just that. LOL. When a government realizes that stats in a country that allows very little control over armaments gets the reputation of having the highest rates of gun violence in the developed world; and then ]takes a more jaundice view and institutes a more restrictive policy, this is good management.

Frankly, I am thankful, our government sticks with what has proven to be less pleasing to gun owners but a boon in the eyes of the average Canadian. So my dear, suck lit up. .


Well hang in there, fairly soon it will be brought under control, unless, certain gun owners get the law changed to that used in the country with the HIGHEST gun violence stats in the developed world.

Funny we had very few murders and almost no gun violence in the Lower Mainland prior to the 1970's .
It has been increasing incrementally ever since . Did the gun laws change ?

 

[DaSleeper]

Funny we had very few murders and almost no gun violence in the Lower Mainland prior to the 1970's .
It has been increasing incrementally ever since . Did the gun laws change ?

Logic doesn't work on that one....;-):roll: