Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Tecumsehsbones

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I think even people who support gun control, or completely banning guns, think this is an unjust and insane action on the part of New Jersey. Colpy's just outraged, like he is about the existence of Muslims.
 

bluebyrd35

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I'm glad you've changed your mind. It's nice to see you final grow.
Oh my GAWD!! Point out one time where I wanted guns totally abolished or voiced any other want other than having the US laws coming more into line with Canada's re gun control..........I spend nearly 5 months down in Florida every year and have done so since 1989. Do you think I do not know how things work there??


My house is in a very quiet area, but there was a murder at the end of the street, 1/2 block from where I live because one biker was displaying the colours of another bike gang. I have been confronted by a young man with a gun in a shopping center, just for the fun he had seeing the fright on my face as I drove away!! I met a man, visiting a neighbor from Albany N.Y who stated he slept with a loaded pistol under his pillow at night and always kept one next to him on the car seat when driving.


It makes me wonder about what it is like in other parts of the US, considering I live in an area of mostly retired people.
 

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Oh my GAWD!! Point out one time where I wanted guns totally abolished or voiced any other want other than having the US laws coming more into line with Canada's re gun control..........I spend nearly 5 months down in Florida every year and have done so since 1989. Do you think I do not know how things work there??


My house is in a very quiet area, but there was a murder at the end of the street, 1/2 block from where I live because one biker was displaying the colours of another bike gang. I have been confronted by a young man with a gun in a shopping center, just for the fun he had seeing the fright on my face as I drove away!! I met a man, visiting a neighbor from Albany N.Y who stated he slept with a loaded pistol under his pillow at night and always kept one next to him on the car seat when driving.


It makes me wonder about what it is like in other parts of the US, considering I live in an area of mostly retired people.
You should probably keep better company. I've spent time in towns portrayed in gangster rap videos, and haven't come across the nuttery you have.

Yes.


If so, try stopping the cycle big fella.


You can't.
I don't want to, lolz.

I can understand why you'd want me to. Your nerve is probably pretty tender now.

Lets see what else you can pull out of your imagination, lolz.
 

bluebyrd35

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You should probably keep better company. I've spent time in towns portrayed in gangster rap videos, and haven't come across the nuttery you have.

Yes.


I don't want to, lolz.

I can understand why you'd want me to. Your nerve is probably pretty tender now.

Lets see what else you can pull out of your imagination, lolz.
Oh, don't mistake my area as being the worst, it isn't. I had Daytona cops living in the house next to me, so I was pretty safe. And I don't live in Daytona. Daytona Beach is one of the hardest places to police. Trying to keep things under control for all the tourists is a pretty thankless job. Even a student or two will turn up with guns and in drunken states during spring break with end up shooting each other.


I lost those neighbours to another, more law-abiding area two years ago.

crime rate = crimes per unit of people(100,00)


given that the unit of people is a constant value(100,000)


we can say that the crime rate is directly proportional to the number of crimes.


rephrased, this mean that the change in crime is proportional to the change in crime rate.


you wrote "which one must show the greatest reduction when even the smallest reduction happens?"


my answer is: when the smallest reduction happens(ie 1 crime) then the 200 per capita rate changes by .5% and the 25 per capita rate changes by 4% so a direct answer to you question is: the 25 per capita rate must show the greatest change when even.


However, lets see if this is what happened...


In Canada, we went from a homicide rate of 3 per 100,000 to 1.5 per 100,000. Our change in rate was 50%.
Homicide in Canada, 2011


In the USA, they went from 7.0 per 100,00 to 3.6 per 100,000. Their change in rate was 48.5%.
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware | Pew Research Center’s Social & Demographic Trends Project


So, in a review of Canada,USA comparison, which one is the "smallest reduction"? The Canadian reduction of 1.5 homicides. Did the US experience the same reduction? No, is experienced a reduction that was 2.6 times greater than Canada.





Yes, but every bullet stopped results in a greater change of rates, if you compare the 1.5 reduction of rate with the 3.4 reduction of rate you will find that they both represent about a 50% change in rate ( 50%Canadian, and 48%American)





Sooooooooooooooooo.......


both countries experienced about the SAME rate of change. Canada with strict gun laws, and the USA with unrestricted gun laws.


So, I ask you the same question. Where is the evidence that Canada's gun control laws made a difference?
You have just illustrated how stats are manipulated.
10% reduction of 40 in l00,000 equals 4
10% reduction of 88 per l00,000 equals 8.8

So this means 36 people in 100,000 died in Canada but 79.2 died per l00,000. in the US. Oh and this reduction in the US took in only 2 states.


What this proves is that stats (particularly since l996) are not reliable in so far as gun control is concerned. Also, that depending on how these stats are read, they can prove anything one wants them to prove. ie. the US is better at gun control than Canada is. If that is what you wanted to prove fine......but I wouldn't bet my own life on those results. .
 
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Oh, don't mistake my area as being the worst, it isn't. I had Daytona cops living in the house next to me, so I was pretty safe. And I don't live in Daytona. Daytona Beach is one of the hardest places to police. Trying to keep things under control for all the tourists is a pretty thankless job. Even a student or two will turn up with guns and in drunken states during spring break with end up shooting each other.


I lost those neighbours to another, more law-abiding area two years ago.


You have just illustrated how stats are manipulated.
10% reduction of 40 in l00,000 equals 4
10% reduction of 88 per l00,000 equals 8.8

So this means 36 people in 100,000 died in Canada but 79.2 died per l00,000. in the US. Oh and this reduction in the US took in only 2 states.


What this proves is that stats (particularly since l996) are not reliable in so far as gun control is concerned. Also, that depending on how these stats are read, they can prove anything one wants them to prove. ie. the US is better at gun control than Canada is. If that is what you wanted to prove fine......but I wouldn't bet my own life on those results. .


I wouldn't get too uptight about the 36 vs 79. They are what they are. The US has different culture, different social policy, etc. I am more concerned with how our 36 rate has changed over the years with our gun control laws. It proved, but did it improve better than the US? no it didn't.


It is also worth noting that I'm not concluding that the Canadian laws are worthless, I have only concluded that I don't see any evidence that they worked. can you see the difference?
 

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LOL, Considering that the US & Canada were one in the beginning, with the same cultures and social policies, makes it rather hard to attribute it to other than Canadian laws on gun control. Birth control policies in both places have certainly changed both our countries.

The US has about 317.million people and Canada 33. million. The second WW widened those differences even more Still it is what it is. While the differences between 36 and 79, may not make you too uptight but I would guess the 25,043 deaths vs 1,287 deaths in Canada due to gun violence does put another face on the numbers.


I do not see what other factors other than gun control laws or lack thereof, has placed the US at the top of the list for gun violence in amongst developed nations.






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Definitely the Spaniards. And the Portugese even worse than them. But none of them even came close to the English.

I think you need to re-read your history.

You are right about the Spanish and the Portugese,,,,,,,,,but the English could not hold a candle to either.

Why do you think Tecumseh allied with England??

Oh....of course, the French were the best with the Indians......as long as you weren't Iroquois.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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I think you need to re-read your history.

You are right about the Spanish and the Portugese,,,,,,,,,but the English could not hold a candle to either.

Why do you think Tecumseh allied with England??
I don't think, I know. It was because he considered them the lesser of two evils, the greater being the Americans. Same reason the Shawnee allied with the French against England.

Oh....of course, the French were the best with the Indians......as long as you weren't Iroquois.
Try to get your head around the difference between "best" and "least bad." Actually, the best were the Europeans who stayed where Jesus flang 'em and didn't come over here to murder us.

You won, OK, Colpy? You slaughtered millions, wiped out languages and cultures, and then tortured, isolated, and discriminated against the tiny remnant.

Yay, you.
 

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You won, OK, Colpy? You slaughtered millions, wiped out languages and cultures, and then tortured, isolated, and discriminated against the tiny remnant.

Yay, you.


That's right Colpy, cause the injuns never did any of the crap that the "white man" did. They didn't go around killing women and children. They didn't wipe out entire villages. They didn't clear cut forests. They didn't indiscriminately slaughter entire herds of Buffalo and leave many to rot in the sun. Oh....wait...... maybe they did.
 

Colpy

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I don't think, I know. It was because he considered them the lesser of two evils, the greater being the Americans. Same reason the Shawnee allied with the French against England.


Try to get your head around the difference between "best" and "least bad." Actually, the best were the Europeans who stayed where Jesus flang 'em and didn't come over here to murder us.

You won, OK, Colpy? You slaughtered millions, wiped out languages and cultures, and then tortured, isolated, and discriminated against the tiny remnant.

Yay, you.

Not me. And I refuse to either apply or accept blame to people that are not personally guilty.

Get used to it.

It is nothing different than what every other people has done to whom ever they happened to be in conflict with.

Get over it.

I'm not still crying about 1066 back in the old country.

Or the establishment of the USA, from which my ancestors (on both sides) were forced to flee for backing the Crown.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Not me. And I refuse to either apply or accept blame to people that are not personally guilty.
But you'll claim vicarious credit for Canada's achievements.

I ain't complaining, mind. The past is past. I just think it's funny how you relate to history so much up until confronted with some of the horrors perpetrated by countries/organisations you identify with.

That's right Colpy, cause the injuns never did any of the crap that the "white man" did. They didn't go around killing women and children. They didn't wipe out entire villages. They didn't clear cut forests. They didn't indiscriminately slaughter entire herds of Buffalo and leave many to rot in the sun. Oh....wait...... maybe they did.
Yep, and therefore they deserved genocide. That's your logic. That argument is not only breath-takingly stupid, it's incredibly tired.

It's called the tu quoque fallacy. And the person who brings it out invariably thinks himself righteous and intelligent.

The fact that the name is in a dead language should give the perceptive reader some notion of how old it is.