Guardian Suggests Canada Nationalize Oil

taxslave

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looks like the thread disruptors have arrived! All bluster/insult - no game! How long before the buttHurtin or cartoon pics appear?

True. We were doing just fine until you started trolling.

why the hostility and insults... I didn't put in any of your arch-nemesis graphs!!! :mrgreen: But hey now... are you working on that request of mine? You know, the one where you spout off about the B.C. carbon tax "killing us"... and I ask you to support/substantiate your drive-by claim... will you have this soon? Still waiting... waiting... waiting...

Do your own googling. It is a fact. Now it might have worked if all of North America were involved but all it currently does is put BC at a competitive disadvantage. WOrse still it wound up costing our education system a bundle. Law of unintended consequences.
 

waldo

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Norway: whether HDI or IHDI... ranked the #1 country in the world in both methodology estimates: The Human Development Index (HDI) is a composite statistic of life expectancy, education, and income indices used to rank countries into four tiers of human development.
 

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Natural resources fall under the jurisdiction of the provinces, not the feds so it would be up to them. It wont happen.
 

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True. We were doing just fine until you started trolling.

no... you guys were just having a pity-party!

Do your own googling. It is a fact. Now it might have worked if all of North America were involved but all it currently does is put BC at a competitive disadvantage. WOrse still it wound up costing our education system a bundle. Law of unintended consequences.

it appears you have but 2 responses to any challenge put to you: you either say, "why are bringing this up... it's all been discussed around here before... in other past threads... go look in those "other threads"!!!... or... you say, "I'm not your google-bitch... go fetch"!

do you... have you... ever substantiated a damn thing you've dropped in any of your drive-by OneLiners? Now, with this latest post of yours, you've just compounded on that drive-by claim... with additional unsubstantiated claims. Well done! 8O
 

taxslave

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no... you guys were just having a pity-party!



it appears you have but 2 responses to any challenge put to you: you either say, "why are bringing this up... it's all been discussed around here before... in other past threads... go look in those "other threads"!!!... or... you say, "I'm not your google-bitch... go fetch"!

do you... have you... ever substantiated a damn thing you've dropped in any of your drive-by OneLiners? Now, with this latest post of yours, you've just compounded on that drive-by claim... with additional unsubstantiated claims. Well done! 8O

Go look it up.
 

waldo

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Natural resources fall under the jurisdiction of the provinces, not the feds so it would be up to them. It wont happen.

the federal government certainly has a role in forging out a "national energy plan". Of course, that would presume on Harper actually talking to the Premiers! We all saw how he ignores the Premiers in their past repeated calls for a collective meeting with Harper. And now look what Harper is doing in his purposeful refusal to meet with Premier Wynne - shameful!

Go look it up.

I ain't your google-bitch... if you're not prepared to substantiate your drive-by claims... you shouldn't be making them!!! :mrgreen:
 

petros

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the federal government certainly has a role in forging out a "national energy plan". Of course, that would presume on Harper actually talking to the Premiers! We all saw how he ignores the Premiers in their past repeated calls for a collective meeting with Harper. And now look what Harper is doing in his purposeful refusal to meet with Premier Wynne - shameful!



I ain't your google-bitch... if you're not prepared to substantiate your drive-by claims... you shouldn't be making them!!! :mrgreen:

What does Wynne have to offer that concerns all Canadians to heed the attention of the PM?
 

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gee, why would a reference to the suggestive need for a national energy plan be so circumvented in favour of low-hanging fruit?
 

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Perhaps the idiots at the Guardian, as well as those that support them, should read the Canadian constitution.

Natural resources belong solely to the provinces.

Natural resources fall under the jurisdiction of the provinces, not the feds so it would be up to them. It wont happen.

Exactly.....you beat me to it.

Not that "progressives" ever deal with reality.

the federal government certainly has a role in forging out a "national energy plan". Of course, that would presume on Harper actually talking to the Premiers! We all saw how he ignores the Premiers in their past repeated calls for a collective meeting with Harper. And now look what Harper is doing in his purposeful refusal to meet with Premier Wynne - shameful!



I ain't your google-bitch... if you're not prepared to substantiate your drive-by claims... you shouldn't be making them!!! :mrgreen:

Why in the world would Harper meet with that corrupt, psychotic creep?

what "system" is that? Just what is the "Harper Conservative" national energy system? Not the independent/loosely coupled actions of separate provinces going their own ways... the federal one! What's the federal energy system?



just how did Norway do it... find more of a 'balance' between the environment and growth? Why... through a combination of steep carbon taxes, careful management of its oil wealth and strategic investments in innovation... there's a recipe, hey Stephen Harper? Of course, that would somewhat call into question the current BFF relationship Steve has with his extreme admiration for China's dictatorship... "Red Chinese... Commies"!!! :mrgreen:

One more time....slowly.

Control over natural resources rests solely with the provinces.

The legislature of each province may exclusively make laws in relation to certain matters enumerated in section 92 of the Constitution Act, 1867. One of these matters is the "Management and Sale of the Public Land Belonging to the Province and of the Timber and Wood Thereon." The 1982 Amendments to the Constitution explicitly recognized the Constitutional right of the provinces to manage their non-renewable natural resources, forestry resources and electrical energy (section 92A):
"92A.(1) In each province, the legislature may exclusively make laws in relation to:

  1. exploration for non-renewable natural resources in the province;
  2. development, conservation and management of non-renewable natural resources and forestry resources in the province, including laws in relation to the rate of primary production therefrom ..."
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Division of Constitutional Powers | Natural Resources Canada
 

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the federal government certainly has a role in forging out a "national energy plan". Of course, that would presume on Harper actually talking to the Premiers! We all saw how he ignores the Premiers in their past repeated calls for a collective meeting with Harper. And now look what Harper is doing in his purposeful refusal to meet with Premier Wynne - shameful!



I ain't your google-bitch... if you're not prepared to substantiate your drive-by claims... you shouldn't be making them!!! :mrgreen:

Try reading a paper once in a while. All common knowledge. Except to you because you are too busy trolling for the AGW tin hatters.
 

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Thank you for saving me the effort of pointing out the constitutional angle, Colpy!

How come everything from Tay and Waldo is trying to pin this on Harper when the system that is in place has been there since Trudeau abandoned his NEP, through Chretien, Martin and NOW Harper? Seriously, Harper isn't my favorite politician but lets blame him for the things HE has done, not his predecessors. The left in Canada plays the same game as the right in the US: blame the incumbent for everything under the sun, even when it isn't a mess he made...
 

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As much as I don't care for foreign ownership of Canadian resources, I like the idea of regulatory management by an organization who can screw up the Lords Prayer (government) even less
 

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so... the way to ignore (absolve???) Harper's chummy admiration for the Chinese Dick is to go back 50+ years... and... continue to play up Maurice Strong? Does Harper stay with the guy when he visits?

but hey now, that lil' distraction doesn't speak to the bold moves Norway made... does it? Norway’s sovereign wealth fund is now the world’s largest, with assets of roughly $1-Trillion... ~ $200K for each of the 5.1-million Norwegians. And Canada... err... Alberta, the Heritage Savings Trust fund is but a, relatively speaking, mere $17.5-Billion... less than $4,300 for every Albertan... just Albertan! What say you Stephen Harper and acolytes?




of course "just Albertan", why would it be any other way?
 

taxslave

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Thank you for saving me the effort of pointing out the constitutional angle, Colpy!

How come everything from Tay and Waldo is trying to pin this on Harper when the system that is in place has been there since Trudeau abandoned his NEP, through Chretien, Martin and NOW Harper? Seriously, Harper isn't my favorite politician but lets blame him for the things HE has done, not his predecessors. The left in Canada plays the same game as the right in the US: blame the incumbent for everything under the sun, even when it isn't a mess he made...

Because neither of them are old enough to remember anything that happened before the last millenium.
 

lone wolf

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I still get a laugh out of "Pierre Elliot Trudeau Ripped Off Canada"

Wassa matter Walter? Do you have shares in Petro-Canada or you don't like the acro ... or your reading skills not up to par. It was a pretty common pun at the time....

Your support for Trudeau is astounding at the very least
 
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Perhaps the idiots at the Guardian, as well as those that support them, should read the Canadian constitution. Natural resources belong solely to the provinces.

Exactly.....you beat me to it. Not that "progressives" ever deal with reality.

One more time....slowly. Control over natural resources rests solely with the provinces.

Division of Constitutional Powers | Natural Resources Canada

are you so protective of any hint of a critical review of Harper's inaction in forging a national energy strategy, that you would so deflect by being so myopically inward focused at the provincial level? Even if you looked no further than fundamental infrastructure requirements, uhhh.... is there an element of cross-provincial boundary crossing/transfer there, ya think? Bloody hell, when you get industry coming forward and decrying the lack of a national strategy, just how Harper butt-covering are you? And then there's this 2012 report from the Senate Standing Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources:
THE FOUNDATION OF OUR ENERGY FUTURE IS COLLABORATION

Canada’s energy resources are abundant, varied and distributed unevenly across the nation. Energy jurisdiction is shared amongst the federal, provincial, territorial, municipal and aboriginal governments. Energy issues at times have been a source of tension and even potentially divisive. Given the scope of the challenges and opportunities ahead, it is clear that there is a great need for better collaboration amongst all levels of government on energy matters.

This report emphasizes the need for all levels of government to collaborate to create a pan-Canadian energy strategy and to develop a unified voice for promoting Canada’s energy interests at home and aboard.

During the three short years of this energy study, the world has witnessed dramatic changes in the energy sector. Multi-stage hydraulic fracturing (fracking) of shale gas and tight oil has taken on a life of its own, and altered the future of global energy supply drastically. Canada is confronting the implications of having a single energy purchaser, the United States, which is on the verge of achieving energy independence. In addition, greenhouse gas emissions are of great public concern and must be dealt with responsibly and effectively. In order for Canada to become the most energy productive nation in the world, it must meet current challenges with agility and speed, relying upon the complete range of traditional and alternative energy sources while maintaining a high level of environmental performance.

If Canada is to successfully meet these challenges, there is an urgent need for us to change. Change means diversifying our markets. Change means innovating. Change means consuming energy efficiently. Change means improving our environmental performance. Change means earning social license. Change starts with each of us as energy citizens.

Through the collaborative leadership of governments, industry, environmental stakeholders and individual Canadians, we can answer the call to action.

The window of opportunity is open to us. We must act now.

a "National Energy Strategy"... Stephen Harper... Missing In Action!
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Why in the world would Harper meet with that corrupt, psychotic creep?

so... your portrayal of Wynne as a "corrupt, psychotic creep" is clearly a measured assessment... at least you didn't follow the earlier lead of those so ensconced in their fears of her sexual proclivity or so stupidly ignorant as to focus on physical appearance.
 

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I read the first few sentences of that article. It is clear that this is an opinion editorial that comes out swinging with conclusions unsupported then bases the rest of the article on the unsupported conclusions.