Grocery Store Chain Tax?

Ron in Regina

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So. . . the Canadian carbon taxes are driving up food prices in the U.S., the EU, and around the world?

Impressive!
It is definitely a contributing factor that could be easily adjusted or removed to put us on the level playing with the US, EU, & “the world”….. as what you’re paying, we’re already paying, plus the carbon tax on that, and the clean fuel standard, and then those taxes get taxed with the GST. It is impressive.

At no point did I say it’s the only factor, but it is a significant factor that someplace like the US isn’t dealing with.
I’m not saying it’s the only thing, but I’m saying it’s a significant thing. Lots of agriculture out here….Big distances to traverse, and it’s sure not helping things.
…& this carbon tax is at every step along the chain. You may think it’s at the gas pumps and that’s it…. But that’s the tip of the iceberg. Is there a Canadian here that wants to post any of their utility bills? They have the carbon tax on them or at least they do out here….
 
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Ron in Regina

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Who knew we were so influential?
Things are tough everywhere right now, but we getting extra dose on top of…. Between the carbon tax and the clean fuel standard tax, and both of those taxes are taxed with the GST. Good times.

It is substantial and influential in Canada for Canadians who are competing globally with others. if the industry that you’re in is not affected by this than good on you, but mine is, and so is my cost to heat my home, and my cost for electricity, and my cost for everything that I purchase that has arrived on a truck or a train or plane. Oh, and also at the pumps for our own personal vehicles.
 
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Things are tough everywhere right now, but we getting extra dose on top of…. Between the carbon tax and the clean fuel standard tax, and both of those taxes are taxed with the GST. Good times.

And it's all BS. There shouldn't be all this shit put on people.

It is substantial and influential in Canada for Canadians who are competing globally with others. if the industry that you’re in is not affected by this than good on you,

Woah, who said anything about not being affected?

Everyone's affected, regardless of what you do for work, or if you don't work at all. By the very things you list after this.

but mine is, and so is my cost to heat my home, and my cost for electricity, and my cost for everything that I purchase that has arrived on a truck or a train or plane. Oh, and also at the pumps for our own personal vehicles.

For a sarcastic reply I made to a joke, you sure got offended, Ron.
 

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What are Canada's biggest food exports?


We export half of our beef/cattle, 70% of our soybeans, 70% of our pork, 75% of our wheat, 90% of our canola, and 95% of our pulses. Over 90 percent of Canada's farmers are dependent on exports as well as about 40 percent of our food processing sector.

All impacted by carbon taxes.
 

petros

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Oh? What, exactly, is it here?
The Inflation Reduction Act.

August 16, 2022, President Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act into law, marking the most significant action Congress has taken on clean energy and climate change in the nation’s history. With the stroke of his pen, the President redefined American leadership in confronting the existential threat of the climate crisis and set forth a new era of American innovation and ingenuity to lower consumer costs and drive the global clean energy economy forward.
 
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Canada could impose new taxes on major grocery chains if they do not come up with a convincing plan to limit the rise of food prices, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Thursday.

Trudeau said the heads of the largest chains would be summoned to Ottawa with a plan to address rising prices. The deadline for this is Oct. 9, he said at the end of a meeting of his ruling Liberal Party in London, Ontario.

if this tax comes to fruition, how can it not possibly end up being paid by the end user…. Being the average Joe just trying to buy groceries that are already carbon taxed, other taxed, etc…???
Socialists have never seen a tax they didn't like.
 
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Sure, there's more to the reason groceries are high in price than just the chain owners wanting it to be that way....


Oops, maybe not so much.

In my town for example, there is a 'captured shopper'. University students who can't leave town, or seniors who can't leave due to no car access, or low income people who might not have car access or who only use their car for long distance trips occasionally. Whatever the reason is, they can't leave town. Some things are high cost regardless (fresh produce for example), but if I can go to a freakin GAS station and pay 20 cents less for a pack of instant ramen, there's something wrong with the prices in grocery store chains.

Or if you do have access to a vehicle, and can get to the bigger centers (15 or 30 minutes away respectively) there is a change in a lot of the prices for things. Used to be we could claim tax as a difference, but now NB and NS have the same tax rate so that's not a factor anymore.

Locally, it's just sheer greed, that's it. And it has always been this way through the entirety of my life here.

But with that captured shopper, they always have people who don't have a choice but to pay the price they demand for things.

So I think the question is a lot more complex than just blaming Carbon Tax shit or Inflation for it.
We suffer much the same thing. Qualicum Beach is basically a rich old people area, although there is a significant poor population. Our only grocery store is the local chain, which is now owned by Pattison Group. Prices in other towns are always a bit lower, although TBF they are generally larger portions, which obviously have lower handling costs. Also all the other communities where QF have stores have competition. Same thing, 30 minute or so farther drive.
 
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Another semi related price thing is gas and diesel. Often gas is cheaper in Ucuelet and Tofino, when the trucks have to pass through QB to get there. Ukie is about 2 1/2 hrs farther away and Tofino another 1/2 hr. Each way. I make that to be a minimum of $500 a load for the trucks.
 

Ron in Regina

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So. . . the Canadian carbon taxes are driving up food prices in the U.S., the EU, and around the world?

Impressive!
The stock answer is to point to “global” inflation, international supply chain problems and the war in Ukraine. This answer is no doubt true, but doesn’t absolve the Liberals from their own inflationary policies, or the Bank of Canada, for that matter, from having taken much too long to raise interest rates.

This appeal to inflation’s complexity evaporates, however, when it’s convenient for the prime minister, as it was on Thursday. Suddenly, the intricate problems facing the global economy are not responsible for higher prices at all. According to Trudeau, the real culprits are grocery stores, which are somehow using inflation as a cover for their wanton greed — greed that mysteriously only manifested itself in 2020 when prices started soaring.

If the five largest grocery chains — Loblaw, Metro, Empire, Walmart and Costco — don’t come up with a plan to get prices under control by Thanksgiving, the government “will take further action,” Trudeau threatened. “We are not ruling anything out, including tax measures.”

It is notable that these threats are not being levied at businesses further down the supply chain, such as truck drivers, food processors and farmers, all of which are experiencing higher costs of doing business (including multiple environmental tx measures), and in turn passing those costs on down the line. The grocery stores are obviously the most visible. Singling them out as the cause of inflation is performative in the typical Liberal way.

The most galling part of the government’s tirade against grocers is the fact that Ottawa itself is actually responsible for inflation, or at least partly responsible. The high cost of food is merely a symptom of a much larger problem.

And, while rising prices due to persistent inflation will be a challenge at least until wages catch up, it isn’t the only pressure on food costs that stems from government. Ottawa’s commitment to supply managed poultry, eggs and dairy will keep prices higher than they should be well past this current period. The same is true of regulations and taxes on energy, which will increase the costs of running all businesses.

More, Interesting, link, etc…

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau cares so much about how the cost of food is affecting Canadians, he is threatening to bring in policies that will either raise grocery bills even more, or bring about shortages — or both. Remember spring 2020, with the empty shelves and lineups to get into the Superstore? Trudeau apparently does, and with fondness.

The Trudeau Liberals clearly want everything to be more expensive than it ought to be. They just want someone else to blame.

It might be a good time to start stocking up on toilet paper again.
 

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The stock answer is to point to “global” inflation, international supply chain problems and the war in Ukraine. This answer is no doubt true, but doesn’t absolve the Liberals from their own inflationary policies, or the Bank of Canada, for that matter, from having taken much too long to raise interest rates.

This appeal to inflation’s complexity evaporates, however, when it’s convenient for the prime minister, as it was on Thursday. Suddenly, the intricate problems facing the global economy are not responsible for higher prices at all. According to Trudeau, the real culprits are grocery stores, which are somehow using inflation as a cover for their wanton greed — greed that mysteriously only manifested itself in 2020 when prices started soaring.

If the five largest grocery chains — Loblaw, Metro, Empire, Walmart and Costco — don’t come up with a plan to get prices under control by Thanksgiving, the government “will take further action,” Trudeau threatened. “We are not ruling anything out, including tax measures.”

It is notable that these threats are not being levied at businesses further down the supply chain, such as truck drivers, food processors and farmers, all of which are experiencing higher costs of doing business (including multiple environmental tx measures), and in turn passing those costs on down the line. The grocery stores are obviously the most visible. Singling them out as the cause of inflation is performative in the typical Liberal way.

The most galling part of the government’s tirade against grocers is the fact that Ottawa itself is actually responsible for inflation, or at least partly responsible. The high cost of food is merely a symptom of a much larger problem.

And, while rising prices due to persistent inflation will be a challenge at least until wages catch up, it isn’t the only pressure on food costs that stems from government. Ottawa’s commitment to supply managed poultry, eggs and dairy will keep prices higher than they should be well past this current period. The same is true of regulations and taxes on energy, which will increase the costs of running all businesses.

More, Interesting, link, etc…

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau cares so much about how the cost of food is affecting Canadians, he is threatening to bring in policies that will either raise grocery bills even more, or bring about shortages — or both. Remember spring 2020, with the empty shelves and lineups to get into the Superstore? Trudeau apparently does, and with fondness.

The Trudeau Liberals clearly want everything to be more expensive than it ought to be. They just want someone else to blame.

It might be a good time to start stocking up on toilet paper again.
Being a major exporter our carbon tax hits every morsel of food of any nation that is importing our food or, fertilizers, hard goods, components for products and raw materials.
 

Ron in Regina

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Being a major exporter our carbon tax hits every morsel of food of any nation that is importing our food or, fertilizers, hard goods, components for products and raw materials.
Yep. Competitiveness with those in other nations not also dealing with an ever escalating carbon tax (every April Fools Day) & a Clean Fuel Standard Tax with both taxes being further taxed with the GST Tax, is that an issue to those imposing this stupidity upon the rest of us? Apparently not.

Yes, the rest of the Globe is also dealing with supply chain issues and the 3 day war in the Ukraine for the last few years too….but not with the added Trudeau specific induced stupidity to further punish its own population in Canada. Good times.

The G-20 is supposedly responsible for 80% of global nightly emissions, & Canada for 1.6%…..& at the G-20, Trudeau is told to shut up and go stand in the corner and try to look pretty like a good drama teacher….but he just couldn’t help himself….ugh…”Look at us all woke and retarded hamstringing our economy and financially crushing our own population for political selfies for the political elite that’re going to bug out of Canada once their done Fucking it up anyway….Go Team!!”