Grocery Store Chain Tax?

Ron in Regina

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Canada could impose new taxes on major grocery chains if they do not come up with a convincing plan to limit the rise of food prices, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Thursday.

Trudeau said the heads of the largest chains would be summoned to Ottawa with a plan to address rising prices. The deadline for this is Oct. 9, he said at the end of a meeting of his ruling Liberal Party in London, Ontario.

if this tax comes to fruition, how can it not possibly end up being paid by the end user…. Being the average Joe just trying to buy groceries that are already carbon taxed, other taxed, etc…???
 

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Canada could impose new taxes on major grocery chains if they do not come up with a convincing plan to limit the rise of food prices, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Thursday.

Trudeau said the heads of the largest chains would be summoned to Ottawa with a plan to address rising prices. The deadline for this is Oct. 9, he said at the end of a meeting of his ruling Liberal Party in London, Ontario.

if this tax comes to fruition, how can it not possibly end up being paid by the end user…. Being the average Joe just trying to buy groceries that are already carbon taxed, other taxed, etc…???
It'll mean an AI run store with only a security staff.

Robots don't need to be paid or fed and don't steal.
 

Ron in Regina

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So…The federal government is summoning the heads of Canada’s major grocery chains to Ottawa this fall to begin discussions on a plan to lower food costs for Canadians, as inflation continues to impact grocery bills….

….& I would assume that these groceries arrive at these grocery store chains via planes & trains & trucks that ALL are paying the carbon tax in Canada so the freight to get everything everywhere, including to the grocery store chains, has had to go up to compensate for the carbon tax and the other carbon tax (clean fuel standard tax)…. Which is all being pushed onto the end-user being the customers. Cause and effect.

I’ve got an idea how to lower grocery bills “almost” immediately… as the stuff currently in the stores, and on the way to the stores has already suffered the increased cost from the carbon taxes (plural)… but once those items are sold, and stuff could move in with Lower freight rates….well…not exactly magic or rocket science or magic rockets or something like that.

The companies are being tasked with coming up with a plan to stabilize prices by Thanksgiving, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said as he marked the end of the Liberal cabinet retreat in London, Ont., on Thursday, ahead of Parliament’s return next week….so how quickly can the carbon tax and the other carbon tax be scrapped?

Trudeau said if the grocers fail to come up with a plan that provides “real relief” for middle- and lower-class Canadians, the government will take further action that forces the companies to do so.

That could include tax measures, he warned. Oh Goody…& who does Trudeau think is going to pay that in the end? How blind can he possibly be?

The prime minister said the heads of the country’s five top grocers — Loblaw, Empire Co., Metro, Walmart and Costco — will have the best overall view of their industry and what can be done to lower costs. Those five companies make up roughly 80 per cent of Canada’s grocery market…..but who collects 100% of the carbon tax(s)???

Then for Jagmeet Singh, you got what you wanted for your selfie from the Liberal/NDP….now tell these grocery chains what they can do in less than a month to make real changes.


“What we are saying to them is, enough is enough,” Industry Minister Francois-Philippe Champagne said. He said he expects the CEOs to be in Ottawa for discussions next week…so put your carbon tax(s) money where your mouth is. Step up to the plate!

The minister added the government will also be scrutinizing large food processors and looking to how G7 allies and other international partners have tackled rising food costs to inform its discussions with the Canadian grocers…like by not having carbon taxes as a tax on everything that increases annually every April fools day? You can’t make this stuff up! It’s real!

I’d bet large food processors are also dealing with the carbon taxes, getting their product to their plants, before they even ship product away from their plants. Not much of a mystery here….As far as immediate results go & what can be accomplished in less than a month, with a stroke of a pen & a quick vote in parliament.


(The Liberals have seen slumping poll numbers that suggest Canadians believe the Conservatives would do a better job dealing with affordability and housing concerns)
 

Ron in Regina

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But, after having the summer off much longer than the kids have been away from school…. Parliaments schedule for the fall so far looks like this:
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Stephen Harper studied economics, earning a bachelor's degree in 1985 and a master's degree in 1991….but you don’t have to have an Economics Degree to understand basic business practices.

Justin Trudeau was born in Ottawa and attended Collège Jean-de-Brébeuf. He graduated from McGill University in 1994 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in literature, then in 1998 acquired a Bachelor of Education degree from the University of British Columbia….so maybe some sorta economics degree wouldn’t hurt I guess.

Our Federal Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland completed a bachelor's degree at Harvard University, studying Russian history and literature before earning a master's degree in Slavonic studies from the University of Oxford….so that’s…interesting.
 

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Sure, there's more to the reason groceries are high in price than just the chain owners wanting it to be that way....


Oops, maybe not so much.

In my town for example, there is a 'captured shopper'. University students who can't leave town, or seniors who can't leave due to no car access, or low income people who might not have car access or who only use their car for long distance trips occasionally. Whatever the reason is, they can't leave town. Some things are high cost regardless (fresh produce for example), but if I can go to a freakin GAS station and pay 20 cents less for a pack of instant ramen, there's something wrong with the prices in grocery store chains.

Or if you do have access to a vehicle, and can get to the bigger centers (15 or 30 minutes away respectively) there is a change in a lot of the prices for things. Used to be we could claim tax as a difference, but now NB and NS have the same tax rate so that's not a factor anymore.

Locally, it's just sheer greed, that's it. And it has always been this way through the entirety of my life here.

But with that captured shopper, they always have people who don't have a choice but to pay the price they demand for things.

So I think the question is a lot more complex than just blaming Carbon Tax shit or Inflation for it.
 

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The reason it's higher in the small town is there isn't any wholesaler for the small guy to go to. They have to go to Superstore or Costco and pay the same price you do, haul it all back, pay for fridges, freezers, lights, employess insurance and anything stolen.

There is carbon tax on most of that. Shop local.
 

Ron in Regina

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How quickly they flip-flop when they hit 26% approval rating and are in borderline third place territory…
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He (Trudeau) said the government will be asking the five largest grocery companies including Loblaw, Metro, Empire, Walmart and Costco to come up with a plan by Thanksgiving.

"If their plan doesn't provide real relief for the middle class and people working hard to join it, then we will take further action and we are not ruling anything out including tax measures."
The reason it's higher in the small town is there isn't any wholesaler for the small guy to go to. They have to go to Superstore or Costco and pay the same price you do, haul it all back, pay for fridges, freezers, lights, employess insurance
…& Carbon Tax(s) to do so….on not only the fuel to haul the groceries, but on the utilities for their store. It’s at every level.
Sure, there's more to the reason groceries are high in price than just the chain owners wanting it to be that way....


Oops, maybe not so much.

In my town for example, there is a 'captured shopper'. University students who can't leave town, or seniors who can't leave due to no car access, or low income people who might not have car access or who only use their car for long distance trips occasionally. Whatever the reason is, they can't leave town. Some things are high cost regardless (fresh produce for example), but if I can go to a freakin GAS station and pay 20 cents less for a pack of instant ramen, there's something wrong with the prices in grocery store chains.

Or if you do have access to a vehicle, and can get to the bigger centers (15 or 30 minutes away respectively) there is a change in a lot of the prices for things. Used to be we could claim tax as a difference, but now NB and NS have the same tax rate so that's not a factor anymore.

Locally, it's just sheer greed, that's it. And it has always been this way through the entirety of my life here.

But with that captured shopper, they always have people who don't have a choice but to pay the price they demand for things.

So I think the question is a lot more complex than just blaming Carbon Tax shit or Inflation for it.
Empathy. Look at a map of Saskatchewan. Geographically large, but with Centres of only a few cities spread out for wholesale. The Carbon Tax at every level sure as Shit isn’t helping the matter.
 

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Empathy. Look at a map of Saskatchewan. Geographically large, but with Centres of only a few cities spread out for wholesale. The Carbon Tax at every level sure as Shit isn’t helping the matter.

I'm not saying the Carbon Tax isn't helping. I'm saying it's more complex than just the Carbon Tax.

Maybe for your area that's all it is.

Not so here.

That said considering your region, you've your own captured shopper issue going on - same as up north too, btw - so sure as shit food should NOT be extortion on people to get it.
 

Ron in Regina

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I'm not saying the Carbon Tax isn't helping. I'm saying it's more complex than just the Carbon Tax.

Maybe for your area that's all it is.

Not so here.

That said considering your region, you've your own captured shopper issue going on - same as up north too, btw - so sure as shit food should NOT be extortion on people to get it.
I’m not saying it’s the only thing, but I’m saying it’s a significant thing. Lots of agriculture out here….Big distances to traverse, and it’s sure not helping things.
It’s also something that can be done almost immediately too…if the will was there.
The bill is simple. The feds gave farmers an exemption on the carbon tax for diesel and gasoline. That helps farmers keep food prices down and compete globally. But the feds forgot to exempt the propane and natural gas farmers need to dry their grain and heat their barns.

So Conservative member of Parliament Ben Lobb introduced Bill C-234 back in February 2022 to fix that and extend the exemption to farmers’ natural gas and propane.

Bill C-234 would reduce the “financial burden the carbon tax places on all the necessary practices undertaken by farmers and ranchers like drying grain, irrigating crops, or heating and cooling livestock barns,” explains MP John Barlow who is the vice-chair of Parliament’s agriculture committee.

It may seem like a small change, but the carbon tax is a big cost for farmers, even with the existing exemptions.

The carbon tax cost Canadian farmers an average of $14,000 in 2019, according to the Canadian Federation of Independent Business. Trudeau cranked up his carbon tax every year since. That means higher costs for farmers and higher grocery prices for Canadians.
 

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I’m not saying it’s the only thing, but I’m saying it’s a significant thing. Lots of agriculture out here….Big distances to traverse, and it’s sure not helping things.
It’s also something that can be done almost immediately too…if the will was there.

The bill is simple. The feds gave farmers an exemption on the carbon tax for diesel and gasoline. That helps farmers keep food prices down and compete globally. But the feds forgot to exempt the propane and natural gas farmers need to dry their grain and heat their barns.

So Conservative member of Parliament Ben Lobb introduced Bill C-234 back in February 2022 to fix that and extend the exemption to farmers’ natural gas and propane.

Bill C-234 would reduce the “financial burden the carbon tax places on all the necessary practices undertaken by farmers and ranchers like drying grain, irrigating crops, or heating and cooling livestock barns,” explains MP John Barlow who is the vice-chair of Parliament’s agriculture committee.

It may seem like a small change, but the carbon tax is a big cost for farmers, even with the existing exemptions.

The carbon tax cost Canadian farmers an average of $14,000 in 2019, according to the Canadian Federation of Independent Business. Trudeau cranked up his carbon tax every year since. That means higher costs for farmers and higher grocery prices for Canadians.
No grain drying this year so far...diesel is down 20 cents from last summer but the biggest hit this year is the interest hikes. Most of us run on lines of credit or relying on the patience of suppliers if they can carry it. Parts are up, labour is up, and general operation costs are up.

All in all it'll be a decent harvest but it's not harvest today and paid tomorrow. It takes months.
 

Ron in Regina

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Nice try, prime minister. But likely too little, too late and too transparently desperate to serve as a realistic government-salvage strategy.
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In a Hail Mary course correction designed to stop the Liberal death spiral, Justin Trudeau resurrected the ghost of rejected promises past, took notes from opposition ideas minutes before their release and delivered an empty ultimatum for excessively profitable grocery chains to stabilize prices.

It was a startling act of political self-preservation by the chronically inactive Trudeau, a realization that his iron grip on the caucus was slipping with potential electoral annihilation foreshadowed in the polls.

Of course, devoid of original ideas for instant enactment, Trudeau simply lifted from others.

Beyond copy-catting, Trudeau retreated to his standard same-old, same-old response to any crisis: He called for a consultation.

Enter grocery chain executives, who will thus be summoned to a meeting within two weeks to demand price stability in their stores. Or else. There will be unspecified “consequences” if undefined “meaningful action” on prices isn’t delivered.

If they (They being grocery chain executives) defiantly ignore the government and keep on boosting prices, will price controls be imposed?

Will the government cut the carbon tax on fuel if the chains blame high gas prices?

And what prevents chains that reject a price freeze from simply passing along any tax penalties imposed on them by the government?

Short answers: No, no and it doesn’t.

The Record Food Inflation didn’t happen on Monday with Trudeau having an epiphany and swiftly reacting on Thursday, and the same thing with the housing crisis.
But it’s a start as Trudeau has his come-to-Jesus moment in front of a caucus that is unhappy but not yet ready to revolt against their leader. By the time future renters move into any housing constructed courtesy of the GST rebate, Canadians will have long gone to the polls.
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This (above) is what we’re seeing from the Liberal/NDP after the return of Trudeau from the G-20 in India and blowing through another “Retreat” this week.
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Nice try, prime minister. But likely too little, too late and too transparently desperate to serve as a realistic government-salvage strategy.
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In a Hail Mary course correction designed to stop the Liberal death spiral, Justin Trudeau resurrected the ghost of rejected promises past, took notes from opposition ideas minutes before their release and delivered an empty ultimatum for excessively profitable grocery chains to stabilize prices.

It was a startling act of political self-preservation by the chronically inactive Trudeau, a realization that his iron grip on the caucus was slipping with potential electoral annihilation foreshadowed in the polls.

Of course, devoid of original ideas for instant enactment, Trudeau simply lifted from others.

Beyond copy-catting, Trudeau retreated to his standard same-old, same-old response to any crisis: He called for a consultation.

Enter grocery chain executives, who will thus be summoned to a meeting within two weeks to demand price stability in their stores. Or else. There will be unspecified “consequences” if undefined “meaningful action” on prices isn’t delivered.

If they (They being grocery chain executives) defiantly ignore the government and keep on boosting prices, will price controls be imposed?

Will the government cut the carbon tax on fuel if the chains blame high gas prices?

And what prevents chains that reject a price freeze from simply passing along any tax penalties imposed on them by the government?

Short answers: No, no and it doesn’t.

The Record Food Inflation didn’t happen on Monday with Trudeau having an epiphany and swiftly reacting on Thursday, and the same thing with the housing crisis.

But it’s a start as Trudeau has his come-to-Jesus moment in front of a caucus that is unhappy but not yet ready to revolt against their leader. By the time future renters move into any housing constructed courtesy of the GST rebate, Canadians will have long gone to the polls.
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This (above) is what we’re seeing from the Liberal/NDP after the return of Trudeau from the G-20 in India and blowing through another “Retreat” this week.
The cheapest, simplest and fastest way to do anything is to focus on the rural areas where there is housing, cheap land and established infrastructure to build more.
 
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Ron in Regina

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The Record Food Inflation didn’t happen on Monday with Trudeau having an epiphany and swiftly reacting on Thursday, and the same thing with the housing crisis.
Trudeau was asked about the timing of these announcements, given that the governing Liberals are seeing slipping poll numbers.

The prime minister didn’t directly address the party’s polling numbers but he defended the government’s decision to unveil the GST policy now, despite it being something the Liberals initially promised during the 2015 election…Eight Years ago…
 

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Trudeau was asked about the timing of these announcements, given that the governing Liberals are seeing slipping poll numbers.

The prime minister didn’t directly address the party’s polling numbers but he defended the government’s decision to unveil the GST policy now, despite it being something the Liberals initially promised during the 2015 election…Eight Years ago…
Have you notice the Conservative election ads?

Why no Liberal ads with Trudeau? Cuz he is a gonner.
 

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Canada could impose new taxes on major grocery chains if they do not come up with a convincing plan to limit the rise of food prices, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Thursday.

Trudeau said the heads of the largest chains would be summoned to Ottawa with a plan to address rising prices. The deadline for this is Oct. 9, he said at the end of a meeting of his ruling Liberal Party in London, Ontario.

if this tax comes to fruition, how can it not possibly end up being paid by the end user…. Being the average Joe just trying to buy groceries that are already carbon taxed, other taxed, etc…???
Trudeau doesn't care about "monetary issues" don't 'cha know & this is a perfect example of this.
 

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Wow, gotta love the political depth this idiot has. "If you don't do something about rising food prices we're gonna make food even more expensive."
Of course Senor Limpio is too fucking stupid to realize it's his bullshit carbon taxes that are pushing food prices ever higher.
Fuck, with friends like that asshole who needs enemas?
 

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Wow, gotta love the political depth this idiot has. "If you don't do something about rising food prices we're gonna make food even more expensive."
Of course Senor Limpio is too fucking stupid to realize it's his bullshit carbon taxes that are pushing food prices ever higher.
Fuck, with friends like that asshole who needs enemas?
So. . . the Canadian carbon taxes are driving up food prices in the U.S., the EU, and around the world?

Impressive!
 
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