Gov. Rick Perry, Uneducated Ignoramus

gerryh

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No Gerry, you're not thinking, or not paying attention, or not caring. Maybe all three. Any truth claim must be justified, putting the religious label on it doesn't exempt it from criticism or give it automatic respect, it stands or falls on its own merits. I've seen some very cogent defenses of Catholicism from thinkers like Merton and Chesterton, read some brilliant fictionalizations from apologists like Morris West, one of my top 5 favourite novelists, and listened to the arguments from Catholic relatives for whom I have great respect. There are ways to produce a reasoned defense of your faith, but vituperation and name calling are not among them. You can't expect anyone to take you seriously if you won''t engage seriously in the argument.


I don't give a fu ck what you think.


You still don't get it I see. IMNSHO, your opinions of Catholicism do not warrant anything more than my disdain at the least.You're an arrogant, bigoted SOB, to put it bluntly.
 
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Dexter Sinister

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I know, and I don't much care what you think either, you haven't earned the right to be respected or taken seriously, but I think you could deal with it more intelligently than you usually do. Beats me why you even bother to respond to anyone on the subject, all you ever produce is anger and abuse. Why bother? Just ignore it, your blood pressure will be better for it.
 
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EagleSmack

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You are if you care about the words more than the point of contention.

I just think the words are funny. I think it is funny that that is all the US Liberals can do, and others as well, when there is a popular GOP member or Conservative. This Perry guy pulls ahead and the first thing the left can think of is insulting him.

So saying it is about his views? Puhlease

I would say Tonington's comment is more about describing Mr. Perry's views rather than testing them.


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Well, Tonnington used the word "testing". Perhaps you think he's confused? Perhaps you're confused?
 

DaSleeper

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It is said that only two out of every hundred people in developed countries around the world actually comprehends the science behind global warming.....much less believe it even while understanding....now that is a science with numbers and facts.

Now, if we extrapolate from that to a theory, the theory of evolution which I'm sure even fewer people fully understand and I'm not even sure that believing in evolution means that it follows that you can't believe in a creator...

Anyways, to say outright that if you don't believe in evolution you are an uneducated ignoramus is condescending at best....

I take it you feel you're among them? I seriously doubt it's as high as 98% though, maybe 75% in the U.S. and around 50% in the rest of the western world. The details of evolutionary theory can get pretty arcane, but the basic idea's not hard to grasp, unless you're blinded by religious dogma that simply denies it. Even the Pope has officially more or less bought it in a weaselly sort of way, surely you're at least as smart as he is.
I see that even the great condescending one only sees what he wants to see in a post, with complete disregard for the rest of it when forming an opinion of someone.
I do it too....but I don't consider myself better than everybody.....
 

Tonington

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So saying it is about his views? Puhlease

The reporter quoted something Perry said, Perry's view on evolution, and asked an expert in evolutionary biology.

Dawkins was his normal characteristic self in being entirely blunt about Perry's ignorance.

If it's not about his views then what do you think the reporter was doing asking Dawkins about Perry's view?

Puhlease indeed.

Well, Tonnington used the word "testing".

That's exactly what it is. All candidates for office have their public statements tested in plain public view. Past comments, current comments, public perception of those comments and the commetary of pundits/experts guides the talking points the candidates run with.

Ignore it all you like, that's what it is.
 

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The reporter quoted something Perry said, Perry's view on evolution, and asked an expert in evolutionary biology.

Dawkins was his normal characteristic self in being entirely blunt about Perry's ignorance.

If it's not about his views then what do you think the reporter was doing asking Dawkins about Perry's view?

Puhlease indeed.



That's exactly what it is. All candidates for office have their public statements tested in plain public view. Past comments, current comments, public perception of those comments and the commetary of pundits/experts guides the talking points the candidates run with.

Ignore it all you like, that's what it is.
Yes I remember the vetting the media gave Barrack Obahma in his run up to the nomination and during his presidential bid.
What was it ,oh yes tingly legs.
Did we hear of His stellar voting record as a senator?
Or is this testing of candidates only applicable to republicans?
Just wondering.
 

petros

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Yes I remember the vetting the media gave Barrack Obahma in his run up to the nomination and during his presidential bid.
What was it ,oh yes tingly legs.
Did we hear of His stellar voting record as a senator?
Or is this testing of candidates only applicable to republicans?
Just wondering.
I nailed Obama as president a full 18 months before his election. How did I know it would be him?

Back in May before the vast majority had ever heard of Perry, I said Perry will be the next GOP candidatete and possibly pres.

Miraculously Perry is everywhere and on everyone's lips. How did I know?
 

Tonington

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Did we hear of His stellar voting record as a senator?

Yes...maybe you didn't, or maybe you have selective memory. Try searching google news for 2008.

Here's Bloomberg reporting on his liberal voting record:
Obama's Voting Record Complicates His Shift to Center (Update2) - Bloomberg

Here's Fox News reporting on missed votes during the campaign, McCain missed more:
FOXNews.com - McCain Shows Up to Vote for Economic Aid - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

Here's NPR reporting on Obama's "present" votes in the Illinois Senate:
Examining Obama's 'Present' Votes in Illinois : NPR

Were you in hibernation, lost in the Sahara? I guess your ignorance of the issue could be explained if the only type of stuff you were reading was about Obama's birth certificate, or his alleged belief in Islam.

Or is this testing of candidates only applicable to republicans?
Just wondering.

What do you think? :roll:
 

pgs

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Yes...maybe you didn't, or maybe you have selective memory. Try searching google news for 2008.

Here's Bloomberg reporting on his liberal voting record:
Obama's Voting Record Complicates His Shift to Center (Update2) - Bloomberg

Here's Fox News reporting on missed votes during the campaign, McCain missed more:
FOXNews.com - McCain Shows Up to Vote for Economic Aid - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

Here's NPR reporting on Obama's "present" votes in the Illinois Senate:
Examining Obama's 'Present' Votes in Illinois : NPR

Were you in hibernation, lost in the Sahara? I guess your ignorance of the issue could be explained if the only type of stuff you were reading was about Obama's birth certificate, or his alleged belief in Islam.



What do you think? :roll:
Yes but faux news is an arm of the republican party,and isn't npr a red neck publiucation?
No one takes them seriously,where is the vetting of Obamha in the main stream media?
Obahma makes my leg tingle,was as close as they got.All the msm researchers were busy trying to find or manufacture dirt on
Sarah Palin(lowly vice presidential candidate)that there presidential candidate(Obahma)got a pass.
Now I see the same msm digging up and manufacturing dirt on Bachman and Perry but Obahma's still untouchable.
Good grief charlie brown.
 

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That's exactly what it is. All candidates for office have their public statements tested in plain public view. Past comments, current comments, public perception of those comments and the commetary of pundits/experts guides the talking points the candidates run with.

Ignore it all you like, that's what it is.

So calling him names is testing his views? I just want you to clear that up for me if you may.
 

Tonington

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Yes but faux news is an arm of the republican party,and isn't npr a red neck publiucation?

Yet Fox News published an article that reflected poorly on McCain. NPR is National Public Radio, definitely not a red neck publication, in fact the complete opposite. Bloomberg is a quality organization. Anyways, the articles are there to be found. Obama's record was even in the debates...I have no idea where you were.

Obama's record is now what he has done as President. Perry's is what he has done as Governor. Including using stimulus funds from Washington to help against the Texas deficit. Let's see if the Tea Party favoured candidate has anything to say about that.

So calling him names is testing his views? I just want you to clear that up for me if you may.

The article is testing his views...there have been many articles about Perry's view on evolution. This is but one, and Dawkins is an unapologetic critic of those who would say evolution is just a theory. Yes, this is his view being tested.

Any other politically correct issues you would like to shine the light on? Do you even have a comment about the matter at hand? You're doing your damndest to make it about the words. You're definitely being politically correct.
 

EagleSmack

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The article is testing his views...there have been many articles about Perry's view on evolution. This is but one, and Dawkins is an unapologetic critic of those who would say evolution is just a theory. Yes, this is his view being tested.

Any other politically correct issues you would like to shine the light on? Do you even have a comment about the matter at hand? You're doing your damndest to make it about the words. You're definitely being politically correct.

Well I am not being offensive. I would hardly call that politically correct.

If he is a good President or better yet a good man what do you care what he believes? If he does not believe in evolution, so what.

I do not believe in Mormonism, but I have found Mormons (at least the ones I've met) to be very kind people. I don't call them uneducated ignoramuses because of their religion.
 

Tonington

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Well I am not being offensive. I would hardly call that politically correct.

You have it all backwards. Being politically correct means minimizing offense. Someone who is championing political correctness would object to language.

In past times, Perry's ignorant view would have been called retarded.

It's no longer politically correct to call someone a retard. I guess you're part of the band of folks that now thinks we can't even call ideas ignorant, or someone uneducated for talking about something for which their knowledge on the subject is woefully inadequate. Intentionally or otherwise.
 

EagleSmack

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You have it all backwards. Being politically correct means minimizing offense. Someone who is championing political correctness would object to language.

Oh I think I've offended many in here.

And Politically Correct really only means not offending certain people or groups. You know that.

In past times, Perry's ignorant view would have been called retarded.

It's no longer politically correct to call someone a retard. I guess you're part of the band of folks that now thinks we can't even call ideas ignorant, or someone uneducated for talking about something for which their knowledge on the subject is woefully inadequate. Intentionally or otherwise.

Retard... that is correct, it is politically incorrect to use that word. Same with gay... can't use it. All those words we used with oft times no offense and in jest or using them in different contexts have been deemed politically incorrect.

You, Tonnigton can do whatever you wish. Who am I to say what you can and can't say? I just find humor that instead of making the title "Gov. Rick Perry's views are ignorant" you titled it "Gov. Rick Perry. Uneducated Ignoramus." You attacked the person and not the view.
 

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From what I know, Perry is like other 'uneducated ignoramuses' like Martin Luther King Jr. and many others in that he subscribes to a version of 'Intelligent Design'.

More of a compromise than a hard-liner like some.

To each their own.
 

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This Perry guy pulls ahead and the first thing the left can think of is insulting him.

The right wing (especially on this forum) insulted Obama since he first indicated he was running for the White House. The attacks continue unabated on this forum. As for Perry, the way I see it is that he has a very checkered past and people are rightfully bringing those facts to light. For example, in calling him a secessionist, that is not an insult. After all, it is a fact that he threatened secession which as you know is treason.

And as for calling him hypocrite for taking money from the Feds after all his attacks on this type of policy, well, that hypocrisy speaks for itself.
 

Bar Sinister

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Well, Tonnington used the word "testing". Perhaps you think he's confused? Perhaps you're confused?

Actually I think the first use of the word "testing" was by you in post 48. Maybe I missed a previous use of the word, but I don't think so. Mind you it is an extremely minor point.