Goodbye Conservatives and Hello Coalition, it's about time

[rd1331]

They want it to be in French, everything is already available in french. They want French to be THE language for federal politics in Quebec.

And exactly my point. I said that majority of Canadians DIDN"T vote the liberals in. they got 77 seats. So again why should they be the governing party.

The Liberals are showing there true form right now. I'm embarrased to say that I was a very strong supporter of them at one point. They are completely going back on all there ideals, doing and saying whatever they can to get into power. Are they really even the Liberal party anymore, they have changed so much.

 

[s_lone]

It seems to me that a coalition government would logically be lead by the party with the most support from the population. That is the Liberals...

The Bloc would not be coherent if it offered itself as an alternative for the leadership of Canada. But it definitely is coherent by cooperating or not with those that are in power in order to serve and protect the interests of Quebecers.

A coalition government would be lead by the Liberals but backed up by both the Bloc and the NDP... if that is what happens, than a majority of Canadians feel represented, compared to the present situation where only a minority of Canadians feel represented by their government.

 

[scratch]

The Bloc will have a unique position.

 

[Lester]

If that happens, Albertas' Hooped- Harper just screwed himself over 30 million- Apparently he's not as smart as I thought he was.

 

[scratch]

I could never give PO credit for being intelligent just crafty.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

As far as I remember, the majority of Canadians didn't vote the Liberals in. I have voted both Liberal and Conservative in previous elections.

This is the most undemocratic thing I have ever seen, why don't they just call up the military and have a coup. We had an election less than 2 months ago and the Conservatives won the election, although a minority the conservatives won. The liberals got the lowest results since Confederation, and now they think they should have the ability to run the country.

I would rather have a government that stuck to its guns and did what it said it would. This Liberal government is so corrupt its not even funny, they are grabbing at any oportunity they can, changing what there beliefs are just to get into power. They have 77 seats and think they should be able to run the government.

If they want to topple the government that is fine, the democratic way is to have another election. Not to give bribes out to the other parties so that they will join you. Why don't they just start handing checks out to the NDP and Bloc MPs, thats no different than what they are currently doing with this coalition.

This makes me embarrased to be Canadian, and to say we have a democratic government.

Friend good day to you, to be blind by birth or by accident it is very unfortunate, but to be blind as a result of tribal political belief it makes one look very naive...

Looking at the anecdotes facing the Canadian democratic system, it is sickening to see that self serving views come in the way and thus completely shutting out the truth. A government who must show leadership at a crucial global economic disaster such as the one facing us today must go to the people and explain a path to safety.......instead they declare war in the Commons against the opposition...
The Conservatives thought in their snick y Con minds that the way to superiority being that they do not have a majority mandate, is to completely starve the opposition to bankruptcy and thus bring the opposition to an indefensible disadvantage, thus gaining a snick y self made majority........ They deserve to be ousted and on top of that let it be known that the Country will be better off in the hands of three political parties then a one men show. You are talking about democracy? When you look at the facts and you look at your post, I find it hard to except your complaint that the Liberals are bad, we are talking about 3 different parties together what can be more harmonious.....
So................out with Cons............Let Canada try a Coalition instead one man talking for 38, 8 to many contradicting Harper's initial platform of small Government at dismal economic times....
Harper during this last election was telling Canadians that Dion and the Liberals had no economic plan, and you know something? Harper failed 2 days ego to tell the people his economic plan, witch will cause his removal from the top Job December 8th, because during the election he told the people he had an economic plan and did not...

 

[scratch]

Excellent comment!

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Excellent comment!

Hey scratch we are the early birds here, I drank some coffee 5 hours ego is is still working, good thing tomorrow is Saturday, enjoy the weekend...

 

[scratch]

Take care of yourself.

Sincerely,
scratch

 

[SirJosephPorter]

fixed.

this is one of those times where i'm glad that no one outside canada follows canadian politics (or most within, for that matter)

I don’t know, fubbleskag, I think the drama involving the defection of Belinda Stranoch to Liberal Party was equally fantastic. An unforeseen side effect of the defection was that the liberal government survived long enough to pass the same sex marriage legislation.

If she had not defected to Liberals, if they had lost the no confidence vote and Harper elected at that time, Parliament would never have passed the legislation legalizing gay marriage, and today we would still fighting abut the issue.

I think the defection of Stranoch was equally fantastic and equally far reaching as what we are witnessing now.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

This is the most undemocratic thing I have ever seen, why don't they just call up the military and have a coup. We had an election less than 2 months ago and the Conservatives won the election, although a minority the conservatives won. The liberals got the lowest results since Confederation, and now they think they should have the ability to run the country.

Sorry, rd1331, but there is nothing undemocratic about this. There is nothing that says that the party which gets the most votes, the most seats has to form the government (unless of course, it has the majority).

Conservatives did not ‘win’ the election, as you put it; they got more seats than any other party. If a party gets more than 50% of the seats, it has won the election, if it simply gets more seats than any other party but less than 50%, I don’t think they really can be said to have won the election.

Evidently you are not familiar with European democracies, most of which have proportional representation and hence perpetual coalitions.

Coalition building starts right after the election. There may be four or five parties on one side, perhaps three or four on the other side. It is irrelevant which party got most seats, what become important is which side can muster more than 50% of the support.

In Canada, we are not used to coalition government, although if we keep getting minority government, we will get used to it in short order.

The Lib – NDP coalition, if formed, will be fully as democratic as the current Con government. Now, you may not like their policies, you may prefer Con policies and may decided to oppose the coalition, that is your right. But to say that such a coalition is undemocratic is nonsense.

 

[scratch]

This is the most undemocratic thing I have ever seen, why don't they just call up the military and have a coup. We had an election less than 2 months ago and the Conservatives won the election, although a minority the conservatives won. The liberals got the lowest results since Confederation, and now they think they should have the ability to run the country.

Sorry, rd1331, but there is nothing undemocratic about this. There is nothing that says that the party which gets the most votes, the most seats has to form the government (unless of course, it has the majority).

Conservatives did not ‘win’ the election, as you put it; they got more seats than any other party. If a party gets more than 50% of the seats, it has won the election, if it simply gets more seats than any other party but less than 50%, I don’t think they really can be said to have won the election.

Evidently you are not familiar with European democracies, most of which have proportional representation and hence perpetual coalitions.

Coalition building starts right after the election. There may be four or five parties on one side, perhaps three or four on the other side. It is irrelevant which party got most seats, what become important is which side can muster more than 50% of the support.

In Canada, we are not used to coalition government, although if we keep getting minority government, we will get used to it in short order.

The Lib – NDP coalition, if formed, will be fully as democratic as the current Con government. Now, you may not like their policies, you may prefer Con policies and may decided to oppose the coalition, that is your right. But to say that such a coalition is undemocratic is nonsense.

Happens all the time in Italy.

 

[JLM]

Conservatives did not ‘win’ the election, as you put it; they got more seats than any other party. If a party gets more than 50% of the seats, it has won the election, if it simply gets more seats than any other party but less than 50%, I don’t think they really can be said to have won the election.
I don't think you are making too much sense here Sir Rupe- if the Conservatives didn't really win the election, who did? I think in the long run this will do Harper more good than harm, as it shows the true colours of Dion and Layton. We know now that each of them will do ANYTHING for power, including joining forces with someone who is hell bent on destroying the country. In other times they both would have been taken out and shot as traitors and probably should be.

 

[scratch]

Conservatives did not ‘win’ the election, as you put it; they got more seats than any other party. If a party gets more than 50% of the seats, it has won the election, if it simply gets more seats than any other party but less than 50%, I don’t think they really can be said to have won the election.
I don't think you are making too much sense here Sir Rupe- if the Conservatives didn't really win the election, who did? I think in the long run this will do Harper more good than harm, as it shows the true colours of Dion and Layton. We know now that each of them will do ANYTHING for power, including joining forces with someone who is hell bent on destroying the country. In other times they both would have been taken out and shot as traitors and probably should be.

Too bad. It's legal and you can sa `Good-Bye` to PO.

 

[JLM]

Too bad. It's legal and you can sa `Good-Bye` to PO.

"Legal" means absolutely nothing when it comes to politicians, they are the bastards that enact the legislation making things "legal". Moral and ethical are what voters should be more interested in- but to find that in politics you'd have to dig up old Stanley Knowles.

 

[scratch]

"Legal" means absolutely nothing when it comes to politicians, they are the bastards that enact the legislation making things "legal". Moral and ethical are what voters should be more interested in- but to find that in politics you'd have to dig up old Stanley Knowles.

Legal --- as in our constitution!

 

[JLM]

Legal --- as in our constitution!

The constitution is only as good as the people who made it- oh yeah, I believe Pierre Trudeau had a hand in it. :lol:

 

[scratch]

The constitution is only as good as the people who made it- oh yeah, I believe Pierre Trudeau had a hand in it. :lol:

He didn't write it, he just brought it home to Canada!

 

[Colpy]

This is the most undemocratic thing I have ever seen, why don't they just call up the military and have a coup. We had an election less than 2 months ago and the Conservatives won the election, although a minority the conservatives won. The liberals got the lowest results since Confederation, and now they think they should have the ability to run the country.

Sorry, rd1331, but there is nothing undemocratic about this. There is nothing that says that the party which gets the most votes, the most seats has to form the government (unless of course, it has the majority).

Conservatives did not ‘win’ the election, as you put it; they got more seats than any other party. If a party gets more than 50% of the seats, it has won the election, if it simply gets more seats than any other party but less than 50%, I don’t think they really can be said to have won the election.

Evidently you are not familiar with European democracies, most of which have proportional representation and hence perpetual coalitions.

Coalition building starts right after the election. There may be four or five parties on one side, perhaps three or four on the other side. It is irrelevant which party got most seats, what become important is which side can muster more than 50% of the support.

In Canada, we are not used to coalition government, although if we keep getting minority government, we will get used to it in short order.

The Lib – NDP coalition, if formed, will be fully as democratic as the current Con government. Now, you may not like their policies, you may prefer Con policies and may decided to oppose the coalition, that is your right. But to say that such a coalition is undemocratic is nonsense.

You are correct on all points.

But you omitted the most dangerous thing about this coalition.....the inclusion of the Bloq Quebecois is a necessity to make it work, even though the Bloc will probably be treated as a "silent partner".

Paying off the Bloc with anti-Federal legislation in an attempt to garner power is idiotic, unethical, and will be to the detriment of the country in the most serious fashion. The Bloc has been fading, suffering from insignificance, as the people of Quebec slowly realized their lack of influence in Ottawa.

So the power-mad loonies of the Liberal and the NDP, spurred on buy Harper's attempt to pull their greedy maws off the public tit, wish to throw the country in the toilet.......they will resurrect the BQ, hand it whatever it wants.....the future of the country be damned.....simply because they can't get their own membership to pony up any cash.......

This is arrogance, stupidity, and an amoral greed all rolled into one....with a dash of sedition added.

Outrageous!

talk about secret agendas!!!!!!!

 

[MHz]

Too bad we can't go back to being sovereign provinces and territories. Then we could do inter-provincial treaties. The reason we can't go back is that we never left that place when the Queen set us adrift that is what we were, that has never changed because the voters never ratified the motion that we should join together and form one single country..