Goodbye Conservatives and Hello Coalition, it's about time

[JLM]

I agree with limiting raises for civil servants but stopping public grants for political parties clearly indicates that Harper is trying to eliminate his opponents.

We all know that if public grants stop, the NDP, Liberals and the Bloc will go bankrupt. The conservatives accept funding from the private sector (rich businessmen and corporations) which goes agaisnt what Canadians believe. The goal in having public funded parties is to eliminate the grasp that the rich and corporations have on Canadian politics. If we didn't have the federal grants for parties, Canada would be like the US and that's something Canadians don't want.

Harper knows damn well that his party would be the only survivor and this goes to show Harper's hidden extreme right-wing agenda. He wants all the power for himself... This is dangerous and undemocratic.

"I agree with limiting raises for civil servants but stopping public grants for political parties clearly indicates that Harper is trying to eliminate his opponents."- I think the "political parties" includes the Conservatives of which Harper is a member, so he's tarring himself with the same brush. Motive is a moot point here- he's doing the RIGHT THING even if I did agree it was for the wrong reasons.

 

[Risus]

Of course he's doing the right thing. The libs are just worried that their well is running dry. Well, boo hoo hoo, cry me a river...

 

[GroundWater]

You know Risus I have offered you friendship here, and all you are capable of doing is be a typical Con F UCKING BULLY, from now on I will not respond to your small stupid baby bully talk. You want to be civil welcome, if you want to be door knob…. GO and **** YOUR SELF WITH TREX AND GROUND WATER. Come Monday you f uckers will eat craw.......

Actually I have no party affiliation I have voted for all the party's at one time or another, I was just stating what I believe will happen, a coalition will not last and we will back at the polls, I have this feeling that all of this is being engineered by Harper so that he can get a majority.
IMHO:idea:

 

[Ron in Regina]

Guys...(& those that aren't Guys, I guess)...this is Politics we're talk'n 'bout here. It sure
isn't anything personal between any of us. All have you have demonstrated many times
on this Forum that you're all bigger than the behavior being displayed tonight. Debating,
and expanding your mental horizons, are very different than this.

 

[fubbleskag]

you two must be putting the rest of us on, right?

 

[Colpy]

DISASTER!

Just watched CTV News.

Here are the facts, with my opinion.

Harper claims the Opposition can not take power without another election.
He is full of it. If the gov't falls, the only proper course for the G-G this soon after an election is to go to the leader of the nect largest party (Dion of the Liberals) and ask him to try and form a gov't.

Harper has post-poned the confidence vote for one week, it will be held Dec. 8.
A mistake on his part, lets the opposition get all their turkeys in a line. Harper seems paniced.

Dion will not be PM, Ignatief will take the post, according to Liberal "insiders".
Talk about undemocratic! Ignatief's party will be a LOT different than Dion's Liberals........and Dion will have to step aside.

Deals already made:
To the Bloc: More money for Quebec, AND (get this) French to be the only language of Federal bureaucrats in Quebec.
Don't say I didn't warn you. The BQ is suddenly important and influential in Ottawa.....they will have a resurgence in Quebec........seriously weakening the country.

To the NDP: The cancellation of $50 billion in tax cuts.
Oh Good! Now, when companies are extremely cash-poor. Say hello to massive new unemployment. Thank-you Jack. And Jean. And Ed. And the rest.

This is quite simply a disaster for Canada, politically and economically.

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[lone wolf]

The country has been doomed ever since Canadian governments started selling us out.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Colpy, I'm a couple of time-zones behind you, and'll have to wait to see this myself.
Wow...trippy. I guess we the people can just sit back and enjoy the ride...

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Hold your horses, Colpy, nothing is decided yet. They are still talking, it will take a while to see what sort if deal, if any, emerges.

The one week delay in no confidence motion may work in favour of or against the opposition. While a no confidence motion on Monday would almost certainly have resulted in a coalition government, one week gives the opposition a lot more time to negotiate.

It is certainly possible that they may get all their ducks in a row and after one week, a stronger coalition may emerge than would have been possible this Monday. But it is also possible that negotiations may break down over the longer time period.

So I wouldn’t count on anything yet. Everything is fluid, and we will see what happens in a week’s time. But as somebody remarked, if somebody had handed this script to Hollywood, it would have been rejected as being too fantastic.

 

[Ron in Regina]

I found a channel broadcasting what Colpy had described above. What a mess. Sounds like a
coalition government is the wrong term that we've all been using all day. This would be a
Liberal government with 77/308 seats in Parliament, and the NDP backing them with their
heads in the trough with 1/3 of the cabinet positions, and the Bloc being purchased vote by
vote with a large initial "signing bonus."

Being in the Transportation Industry, dealing with Quebec currently is problematic at best.
This will not improve things for my industry, to put it nicely. Ugh...

 

[fubbleskag]

...if somebody had handed this script to Hollywood, it would have been rejected as being too Canadian.

fixed.

this is one of those times where i'm glad that no one outside canada follows canadian politics (or most within, for that matter)

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I found a channel broadcasting what Colpy had described above. What a mess. Sounds like a
coalition government is the wrong term that we've all been using all day. This would be a
Liberal government with 77/308 seats in Parliament, and the NDP backing them with their
heads in the trough with 1/3 of the cabinet positions, and the Bloc being purchased vote by
vote with a large initial "signing bonus."

Being in the Transportation Industry, dealing with Quebec currently is problematic at best.
This will not improve things for my industry, to put it nicely. Ugh...

Good evening Ron, where is the link to this info? the 77 seats Grits and NDP1/3 of the cabinet positions?

 

[s_lone]

DISASTER!

Just watched CTV News.

Here are the facts, with my opinion.

Harper claims the Opposition can not take power without another election.
He is full of it. If the gov't falls, the only proper course for the G-G this soon after an election is to go to the leader of the nect largest party (Dion of the Liberals) and ask him to try and form a gov't.

Harper has post-poned the confidence vote for one week, it will be held Dec. 8.
A mistake on his part, lets the opposition get all their turkeys in a line. Harper seems paniced.

Dion will not be PM, Ignatief will take the post, according to Liberal "insiders".
Talk about undemocratic! Ignatief's party will be a LOT different than Dion's Liberals........and Dion will have to step aside.

Deals already made:
To the Bloc: More money for Quebec, AND (get this) French to be the only language of Federal bureaucrats in Quebec.
Don't say I didn't warn you. The BQ is suddenly important and influential in Ottawa.....they will have a resurgence in Quebec........seriously weakening the country.

To the NDP: The cancellation of $50 billion in tax cuts.
Oh Good! Now, when companies are extremely cash-poor. Say hello to massive new unemployment. Thank-you Jack. And Jean. And Ed. And the rest.

This is quite simply a disaster for Canada, politically and economically.

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THe Bloc is doing exactly what their mandate entitles them to do.. That is thinking in terms of what's good for Quebec. I'm pretty sure a coalition with the Liberals and the NDP is better for Quebec than having Harper run business...

 

[rd1331]

As far as I remember, the majority of Canadians didn't vote the Liberals in. I have voted both Liberal and Conservative in previous elections.

This is the most undemocratic thing I have ever seen, why don't they just call up the military and have a coup. We had an election less than 2 months ago and the Conservatives won the election, although a minority the conservatives won. The liberals got the lowest results since Confederation, and now they think they should have the ability to run the country.

I would rather have a government that stuck to its guns and did what it said it would. This Liberal government is so corrupt its not even funny, they are grabbing at any oportunity they can, changing what there beliefs are just to get into power. They have 77 seats and think they should be able to run the government.

If they want to topple the government that is fine, the democratic way is to have another election. Not to give bribes out to the other parties so that they will join you. Why don't they just start handing checks out to the NDP and Bloc MPs, thats no different than what they are currently doing with this coalition.

This makes me embarrased to be Canadian, and to say we have a democratic government.

 

[s_lone]

As far as I remember, the majority of Canadians didn't vote the Liberals in. I have voted both Liberal and Conservative in previous elections.

This is the most undemocratic thing I have ever seen, why don't they just call up the military and have a coup. We had an election less than 2 months ago and the Conservatives won the election, although a minority the conservatives won. The liberals got the lowest results since Confederation, and now they think they should have the ability to run the country.

I would rather have a government that stuck to its guns and did what it said it would. This Liberal government is so corrupt its not even funny, they are grabbing at any oportunity they can, changing what there beliefs are just to get into power. They have 77 seats and think they should be able to run the government.

If they want to topple the government that is fine, the democratic way is to have another election. Not to give bribes out to the other parties so that they will join you. Why don't they just start handing checks out to the NDP and Bloc MPs, thats no different than what they are currently doing with this coalition.

This makes me embarrased to be Canadian, and to say we have a democratic government.

It doesn't take much to embarass you... Don't forget that a strong majority of Canadians DIDN'T vote for the Conservatives. A lot of people might feel relieved that 3 parties are willing to cooperate to stop one single party from running the show.

 

[rd1331]

It doesn't take much to embarass you... Don't forget that a strong majority of Canadians DIDN'T vote for the Conservatives. A lot of people might feel relieved that 3 parties are willing to cooperate to stop one single party from running the show.

Nice....doesn't take much to embarass you either....maybe read what I said.

I never said the Majority of Canadians voted for Conservatives. What i said is the Majority DIDN"T (i can use caps too) vote for the Liberals. I even said in my post that they won a Minority government. Next time read before speaking, if you need to read twice.

If they want to topple the government that is fine, the democratic thing to do would be to topple it and lets go to another election. The problem for you guys is you know they would win a majority this time. Which is what happened in 1925 when this happened, the only time in History in Canada that a Coalition has happened.

And they aren't Cooperating. The liberals are Bribing them by giving up what they stand for. Do the Liberals stand for anything anymore, they used to, i used to vote for them. The liberals might as well just give out big checks to all the NDP and Bloc MPs, that is what they are doing anyways really.

 

[s_lone]

And they aren't Cooperating. The liberals are Bribing them by giving up what they stand for. Do the Liberals stand for anything anymore, they used to, i used to vote for them. The liberals might as well just give out big checks to all the NDP and Bloc MPs, that is what they are doing anyways really.

How about you proving that the Liberals are handing out big checks to the NDP and the Bloc...?

Doesn't it occur to you that they might simply don't like the idea of Harper running the show? It is perhaps more advantageous for all the 'other' parties and Canadians to unite against a Conservative dominance of power... I don't have any problem with Harper being under strong scrutiny...

 

[rd1331]

Well against there own strategy and economic plan, they are giving into the NDP and aren't going to do the Tax break that the conservatives want and the liberals agree with. Its only $50 billion or something like that, lots of money per NDP MP.

Ohya and they are selling out English speaking Canadians by giving into the Bloc. The Bloc want all federal politics in Quebec to only be in French and the Liberals have agreed to that aswell. Must be a Dion French thing or something. I never thought of the Liberals as seperatists but is guess they are after all. Guess its the Liberal Seperatist party of Canada. Isn't that discrimination for the english speaking people in Quebec? So maybe it should be the Liberal Seperatist Discriminating Party of Canada

 

[s_lone]

Well against there own strategy and economic plan, they are giving into the NDP and aren't going to do the Tax break that the conservatives want and the liberals agree with. Its only $50 billion or something like that, lots of money per NDP MP.

Ohya and they are selling out English speaking Canadians by giving into the Bloc. The Bloc want all federal politics in Quebec to only be in French and the Liberals have agreed to that aswell. Must be a Dion French thing or something. I never thought of the Liberals as seperatists but is guess they are after all. Guess its the Liberal Seperatist party of Canada. Isn't that discrimination for the english speaking people in Quebec? So maybe it should be the Liberal Seperatist Discriminating Party of Canada

Tell me more about what the Bloc wants for Federal services in Quebec... Do they want the supremacy of French or do they simply want French to be usable in all Federal departments?

 

[lone wolf]

Nice....doesn't take much to embarass you either....maybe read what I said.

I never said the Majority of Canadians voted for Conservatives. What i said is the Majority DIDN"T (i can use caps too) vote for the Liberals. I even said in my post that they won a Minority government. Next time read before speaking, if you need to read twice.

If they want to topple the government that is fine, the democratic thing to do would be to topple it and lets go to another election. The problem for you guys is you know they would win a majority this time. Which is what happened in 1925 when this happened, the only time in History in Canada that a Coalition has happened.

And they aren't Cooperating. The liberals are Bribing them by giving up what they stand for. Do the Liberals stand for anything anymore, they used to, i used to vote for them. The liberals might as well just give out big checks to all the NDP and Bloc MPs, that is what they are doing anyways really.

What you said was: "...the majority of Canadians didn't vote the Liberals in...."

The opposition is doing exactly what an opposition is supposed to do: opposing. It's about time....