what surprises me that eight Democrats voted with the Republicans which means that they listened to the voters instead of voting on party lines
Good on New York
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lol That from a state that has no idea what to do with all the other garbage it comes up with. lmao
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There is no surprise here, the votes were not there. Senate in New York is more conservative than the House, until recently, the senate was controlled by the Republicans. The House has consistently voted for gay marriage, senate against.
I think they are also going to try in New Jersey before the next Governor takes office (he is opposed to gay marriage, the current one supports it). But again, I don’t think the votes are there.
You have got it wrong, shadowshiv. It is not one step forward, two steps back. It is two steps forward, one step back.
All the movements by minorities to achieve equal rights have had a rocky road, it always has been two steps forward, one step back. Black civil rights movement, Feminist movement suffered plenty of setbacks along the way. It is usually a struggle of decades to achieve equality, not of years. Even the movement to get women the vote was difficult and hard fought.
Indeed, if you step back and look at the whole picture, gays in USA and Canada have made much more progress than would have been thought possible say, just 20 years ago. 20 years ago I wouldn’t have thought that we would have legal gay marriage today (20 years ago I myself probably would have been opposed to gay marriage, had the issue come up).
In USA, several states have approved gay marriage (and several more have civil unions). Even in New York, in spite of the defeat, marriages which take place in other states or in Canada are still recognized in New York. So New York gays can still get married, it is just that they will have to travel to Vermont, Connecticut or (still better) Ontario to do so.
Party lines are not as sharp and distinct in USA as they are here. It is not at all unusual for Democrats to vote with the Republicans, and the other way round.
Indeed, Obama’s stimulus package would not have passed if three Republicans had not have voted for it (Democrats did not have 60, a filibuster proof majority at that time).
werent the people who voted against the same-sex marriage voted into office by the people? if so its there decision, and if the people vote on it seperately because they werent happy then thats there decision too
As repugnant as the idea seems to many, it doesn't bother me too much to see these people pair themselves off. What is repugnant to me is the amount of money being spent on this.
It seems that there are a few on here that would rather see gays flogged than to allow them to marry.
Personally, I think marriage is becoming a meaningless institution so I don't understand why there is a fuss about it. I feel the same way about it as I do about the women's equal rights movement: why would they want to be equal to a bunch of jerks?
Personally, I think marriage is becoming a meaningless institution so I don't understand why there is a fuss about it. I feel the same way about it as I do about the women's equal rights movement: why would they want to be equal to a bunch of jerks?
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I find it scary that people still haven't caught on to the fact that the majority voting on how the minority are allowed to live their lives, is wrong. Of any country that should understand that, you'd think the US would get it. Apparently not though. Too bad.
There are some that do but the majority are lagging behind. I have quite a few American friends living in Canada for that very reason.
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And you just aren't whistling Dixie, there Cliff. Any new snow on the east side of the Monashee this morning. WE got a skiff in Vernon.
You too eh? This is a strange bug, just when you figure you have it beat it comes back as bad as ever. Maybe some germ warfare going on. :lol::lol::lol:
To be fair, that is not what happened here. There was not a referendum, as took place in many stares. I find the idea of a referendum (where the majority decides by a 50%+1 vote what rights minorities should have) repugnant.
Here it was decided by the House and the senate; I think that is the proper way to do it. It should be decided by the elected politicians and the courts (as it was done in Canada), not in a referendum.
This indeed is a setback in the struggle by gays to achieve equal rights, but I think a temporary one. As poll after poll has shown the younger generation is much more sympathetic to gay marriage, and momentum is on the side of gays. I think it is only a matter of time before gay marriage becomes accepted over most of USA (though I don’t see that happening for another 20 years).