Global Warming: still the ‘Greatest Scam in History’

petros

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You seem to taking it harder than NASA.

"Science is a human endeavour and it's therefore imperfect. What's important is that results are scrutinised and replicated by others so that we can assess what is robust and what isn't," Gavin A. Schmidt, director at the Goddard Institute for Space Sciences at NASA, told AFP.

https://m.phys.org/news/2018-11-climate-scientists-wrong.html

More about the climate scientist willing to peer review climate papers.

https://www.nicholaslewis.org
 
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petros

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I always have a chuckle at the desperate protest of the global warming deniers and their frantic efforts to find "evidence" to support their delusions. But as I have observed before, the world is completely ignoring them. Green energy and green transport is on the move and it is the free market system that is moving it. History shows that despite opposition new and more efficient technology eventually wins out.
If you think it's about cars and light bulbs you are stupider than anyone imagined.
 

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You seem to taking it harder than NASA.

"Science is a human endeavour and it's therefore imperfect. What's important is that results are scrutinised and replicated by others so that we can assess what is robust and what isn't," Gavin A. Schmidt, director at the Goddard Institute for Space Sciences at NASA, told AFP.

https://m.phys.org/news/2018-11-climate-scientists-wrong.html

More about the climate scientist willing to peer review climate papers.

https://www.nicholaslewis.org
A series of huge mistake is not a sign of greatness. People need a full refund first and then see what kind of info comes out.
 

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Global warming was and is the Greatest Attempted Scam in history. However the congenital stupid among us have been identified making it possible to eliminate thier genes from the pool thus reducing the annual expence of feeding the counter productive in these difficult times of introduction of snow tolerant lettuce and tomatoes.


I'm inclined to disagree somewhat. Something is definitely happening, that doesn't coincide with recent short term climate trends. The causes are possibly many, in what proportions no one knows. Blaming any single thing is dangerous. Let's just concern ourselves with cleaning up garbage and reducing pollution and maybe over time the climate situation may improve by one or two percent. These horror stories of sea level rising 100' are likely bull shit and serve no one's purpose. If you can walk to the store instead of drive...….do it, it might improve your health and slow the deterioration of the planet.
 

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I'm inclined to disagree somewhat. Something is definitely happening, that doesn't coincide with recent short term climate trends. The causes are possibly many, in what proportions no one knows. Blaming any single thing is dangerous. Let's just concern ourselves with cleaning up garbage and reducing pollution and maybe over time the climate situation may improve by one or two percent. These horror stories of sea level rising 100' are likely bull shit and serve no one's purpose. If you can walk to the store instead of drive...….do it, it might improve your health and slow the deterioration of the planet.
It only goes back to 1951 so it's all "recent, short term climate".
 

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It only goes back to 1951 so it's all "recent, short term climate".
But , you have to believe.......son......believe!


 

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I'm inclined to disagree somewhat. Something is definitely happening, that doesn't coincide with recent short term climate trends. .
What if it is a meaningless term. Tides swing from incoming to outgoing yet nothing changes while under ice=age conditions 400 ft have gone out but not come back in. That might not show up when the yearly graph needs 10,000 of them to show the start and end of the pattern.


The next should cover 240M years.
 

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If you think it's about cars and light bulbs you are stupider than anyone imagined.




If you think they are not part of it you are a complete moron. If you wish I can give you a quick tech forecast, mind you with your oil and coal obsession you won't like it.
 

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If you think they are not part of it you are a complete moron. If you wish I can give you a quick tech forecast, mind you with your oil and coal obsession you won't like it.


I think they are contributing factors more so than the actual cause. Climate change is more apparent in the polar regions away from vehicles and light bulbs than it is in the temperature regions.
(Pete generally has a pretty good 'handle' on things scientific- you might learn a thing or two by listening to him)
 

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Naw! Politics is smarter the science.
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like budgets balance themselves.

Of course when you use equations which show an increase in FUTURE temperatures no matter what data you put in, what the heck else would one expect?


Not to mention who gives a globalist's flying EFFE about other countries' climates if Canada is paying a Global warming tax while going into a SOLAR deep freeze.

I suppose all the hi social score droids can go live in all the cities that COMMUNIST china has built which have no people in them.

New derivation of equations governing the greenhouse effect reveals "runaway warming" impossible

Miklós Zágoni’s equations answer thorny problems raised by current theory, which doesn’t explain why "runaway" greenhouse warming hasn’t happened in the Earth’s past. The new theory predicts that greenhouse gas increases should result in small, but very rapid temperature spikes, followed by much longer, slower periods of cooling — exactly what the paleoclimatic record demonstrates.

Miklós Zágoni isn’t just a physicist and environmental researcher. He is also a global warming activist and Hungary’s most outspoken supporter of the Kyoto Protocol. Or was.

That was until he learned the details of a new theory of the greenhouse effect, one that not only gave far more accurate climate predictions here on Earth, but Mars too. The theory was developed by another Hungarian scientist, Ferenc Miskolczi, an atmospheric physicist with 30 years of experience and a former researcher with NASA’s Langley Research Center.
https://www.infowars.com/basic-greenhouse-equations-totally-wrong/


But now a shock: Canadian scientists Stephen McIntyre and Ross McKitrick have uncovered a fundamental mathematical flaw in the computer program that was used to produce the hockey stick.

In his original publications of the stick, Mann purported to use a standard method known as principal component analysis, or PCA, to find the dominant features in a set of more than 70 different climate records.

But it wasnt so. McIntyre and McKitrick obtained part of the program that Mann used, and they found serious problems. Not only does the program not do conventional PCA, but it handles data normalization in a way that can only be described as mistaken.

Now comes the real shocker. This improper normalization procedure tends to emphasize any data that do have the hockey stick shape, and to suppress all data that do not.
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/403256/global-warming-bombshell/


Court Battle: Michael Mann Losing, Gives Tim Ball ‘Concessions’

The “concession” to Ball is a hugely embarrassing development. This is especially so in a week when Mann has been on the charge leading the wide media assault against President Trump for his alleged attacks on climate science. Government climate researchers are the keenest to discredit the new president on science policy.

For almost a generation literally thousands of climate scientists and science publications world-wide have relied on Mann’s graph as the cornerstone of the science to persuade governments to act on ‘catastrophic’ climate change.

For the “world leading climate scientist” the upside is that by giving ground to Ball Mann dodges the deadly bullet – for now. He has bought himself time till 2019 and his lawyers can continue to deny jurors (and Joe Public) access to his disputed data in this protracted legal battle that has already eaten up six years and millions in legal fees.
https://principia-scientific.org/br...fraudster-makes-concessions-tim-ball-lawsuit/

These communist, nazi, and globalist propagandists are out to destroy Canada and all the countries of the world - this is just one leg of their horrible fakenews tyranny.
 
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If you think they are not part of it you are a complete moron. If you wish I can give you a quick tech forecast, mind you with your oil and coal obsession you won't like it.
You can't even get your original propaganda correct at the two plus two stage there doood.
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Like they say; "Look up: See above!".

It is always a sad laugh to see folks playing with the knitting needles that they have stuck in their frontal lobes...while sending the rest of us a bill to pay for it.
 

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I think they are contributing factors more so than the actual cause. Climate change is more apparent in the polar regions away from vehicles and light bulbs than it is in the temperature regions.
(Pete generally has a pretty good 'handle' on things scientific- you might learn a thing or two by listening to him)




Petros might indeed have good scientific knowledge, but his continual refusal to admit to global warming and accept new technology seems to indicate that he is blinkered by his connection to the oil industry.
 

Bar Sinister

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You can't even get your original propaganda correct at the two plus two stage there doood.
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Like they say; "Look up: See above!".

It is always a sad laugh to see folks playing with the knitting needles that they have stuck in their frontal lobes...while sending the rest of us a bill to pay for it.




Sorry, I don't take seriously someone who posted an argument supporting climate change when he thought it was refuting it. And then there is your racist George Soros obsession. Your credibility is now about zero.
 

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Petros might indeed have good scientific knowledge, but his continual refusal to admit to global warming and accept new technology seems to indicate that he is blinkered by his connection to the oil industry.


Pete's connection to the oil industry (if any) is coincidental with his beliefs about climate change. No one knows all the ramifications of climate change, if in fact there is much we can do about it. As I've suggested ad infinitum we can clean up the way we live, which includes living more frugally and hope to see a slight improvement.
 

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Pete's connection to the oil industry (if any) is coincidental with his beliefs about climate change. No one knows all the ramifications of climate change, if in fact there is much we can do about it. As I've suggested ad infinitum we can clean up the way we live, which includes living more frugally and hope to see a slight improvement.
The climate has been warming steadily for 12,000 years.

done proof: There are no more glaciers on top of most of Canada but there is endless evidence that there were.

It is still warming up year after year.

If Pete denies any of that, he is a moron.
 

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The climate has been warming steadily for 12,000 years.

done proof: There are no more glaciers on top of most of Canada but there is endless evidence that there were.

It is still warming up year after year.

If Pete denies any of that, he is a moron.


I wouldn't say "steadily" but it has been a trend (if looked at over 12000yrs) since where I'm sitting was under more than a mile of ice 12,000 or so years ago. If we look at the last 4000 years there are peaks and valleys and this (now) isn't the warmest in even a short 4000 year period.

It warms, it cools, it warms & cools....change-like....in this interglacial period.
 

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Long term it has been steadily cooling and BTW interglacials are periods of very stable climate compared to the craziness during glaciation.
 

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The climate has been warming steadily for 12,000 years.

done proof: There are no more glaciers on top of most of Canada but there is endless evidence that there were.

It is still warming up year after year.

If Pete denies any of that, he is a moron.


That's to be expected once the Ice Age is done!